Race cans - do I need to change the chip?
 

Hi all,

I have lasted about 2 weeks with standard cans on my 748 and I think it is time to unleash the noise!

Question is, do I need to get an upgrade chip for the ECU if I get some race cans (Termigs etc.)? I am not bothered about buying brand new (the bike is second hand after all) and quite a few sets are on flebay but some are without the chip. Unless of course someone here has a set for sale?

Will the bike run OK without? And while I think about it, what sort of differences are there between 45 and 50mm (apart from the size obviously)?

Thanks in advance guys

Hog

[Edited on 23-1-2005 by hogfisch]

Hi mate in short yes. Youre flowing more air, so it'l need more fuel.
If you tell someone like jhp what your bike is and the uprated cans etc, i bet he'll have a near as dam it programmed chip.
Ultimately, you would need a dyno run to prove it exactly right.

Yep - you'll be able to get a 45mm open pipe chip or a 50mm open pipe chip from JHP. Or you can go the Ultimap route and get a programmabel chip set up exactly for your bike.

The first option costs around the £40 mark and the second about £100 more.

If its just noise and a bit more perfomance you're after, you'll be fine with the non-programable one.

Tim:ninja:

The least you should do is fit basic open chip as you don't want it to run to lean.
programable chip is good or powercomander(more expensive) but both need time on the dyno for ultimate set up.

Adrian

guys how much is it to get a bike fully dyno tested and set up properly?

/ian

How much ya got????;):o:o:o

Depends mate basic dyno runs go for between £35-45 then usualy per hour labour rate there after.

There is a place down here in devon that are a recomened power comander center they sell power comander with dyno set up time tho not sure on price (not had mine done yet)

Rattler
Just for your info an Ultimap set up for a 998 was recently quoted to me at £500+ .......................expensive!

picked up a powercommander £180 + £60 for the man himself to set it correct.........and aint that a piece of mind when john says its running sweet, and hes really pleased with the size and shape of the torque curve! ooh er.

Incidentaly, with the race cpu fitted, a stage some of us would deem to be ok.......It was running very lean at high revs, in fact on a big long hot straight, piston melting lean.

Didn’t I read some where that dynoing a Ducati damages the crankcases or have I dreamt that one?


Hog be careful not all the pipes on ebay that claim to be Termi’s are, and it’s very difficult to tell from a photo. Also I’ve been told that Termi the company also sell 2nds. In the end I brought mine through the site.

A dyno is only the same as running your bike under load. Are they saying dont run your bike flat out? :puzzled:

I aggree about the termi lookalikes........the stickers are only £6 :D;)

I just seem to remember reading it some where, might have even been on this sight.

site!

I changed my original pipes to 45mm Termi's on my 748S about 6 months ago. I bought a chip from JHP but never got it fitted. The bike runs so so so much smoother and in my opinion better than it did with the original cans on I never bothered to fit the chip. I will get it looked at when it gets it next service to get Nelly's opinion.

There is an issue with certain types of dyno. When the operator shuts the throttle its possible to damage something in the engine. Cant remember what it damages or which type of dyno does it but a very reliable person told me about it!

All dyno runs i have seen have been till the rev limiter cuts in.

That's for a testeretta based engine though, when you will need a complete ECU, not just a chip like on the older models

If you run a 2 stroke with petroil mix on a dyno and allow the engine to slow down with the dyno roller (which takes some time), with the throttle shut, it will probably seize. Maybe this is the type of damage you have heard about?? Run my Duke quite a few times on a dyno, no worse than doing a track day.

Hogfisch,

U2U sent ref FIM Ultimap Chip.

R X

Nope, it was deffo Duke and Dynojet related! Nelly, help me out mate!

Ducati Performance chips are £27 inc VAT from a dealer, and take 5 minutes to fit.

Don't forget to order a replacement "DO NOT REMOVE" sticker and fit that too :D

Well I remember reading something rockhopper.

Real Termis ???
 

Someone mentioned to be carefull of buying second hand Termis as they could be another make with some Termi Stickers fitted.

Might sound a daft question but is there a way to tell if they are the real Mcoy or fake just by looking ???

Delooney