More Doom & Gloom
 

Yes you guessed it.... On are way to what would have been a great day's racing at thruxton... Dave's ( Tart 2) 999 broke down :mad::mad: Manage to get the thing going again but its running like a pile of poo, Amber light on and no heat from front pipe.... Looks like this could be yet another coil breakdown :mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad: When are Ducati going to sort all these problems out :mad:

:(

Bad luck mister

Get it in and get it sorted quickly. Fred's bike is done and seems to be running well now, just a shame it is not done as an automatic recall i guess.

did you try disconecting and re-attaching the coil plug a few times to clean the contacts

oh mate .. what is it with these things ..... sorry to hear a decent sunday has been ruined ...

Sounds so similar, You can see whole new cables etc on mine now, and it's been running fine for 15 miles so far :)

Get the thing booked in ASAP before the rush starts!

all the dealers i know are stripping these old parts off and replacing with the new version when ever they see them.
its got more to do with customer relations than anything else, the 999 has had enough bad press
i dont know how these things are delt with in the uk

Bikes just over 2 years old so no warranty :mad: So do i order 1 new coil.. or 2 of the 2005 coils :puzzled: No problem fitting these myself... Anyone know who might have them in stock... and what sort of price.. Will give JHP a ring today :(

Dave I would still lean on Ducati to send you the parts for free. It's a known issue so they shouldn't be turning you away.

As Tony says I would think this would still be a warranty issue even if you're out of warranty, there are enough cases just on this board which should be able to justify this.

All depends on how Ducati play it and how soon you want your bike I guess

Dave just wants to get the bike back on the road... Are local Ducati dealer is about as much use as a chocolate teapot !! Just got off the phone to martin JHP £98 each + the vat..... None in stock 7/8 days... PANTS... JPM you don't buy any chance have your over good coil for sale do you ?? Or are you keeping it for a spare ? Any one got a spare i can blag for a week :o

Dave, (s)

I have a bunch of spare 996 coils and plug leads if that's any help.

Has the coil issue been sorted for 2005 bikes? I have a 2005 999 and the front plug/coil looks very exposed to spray off the front wheel. I do a bit of foreign touring and don't really want the bike to let me down in the middle of the Swiss Alps.

Is the issue water getting into the coil, or just a faulty design/batch? If it is water, is there anyway of sealing it up other than spraying WD40 around the front cylinder head?

Any advice on how to avoid failures welcome !!

Gareth

****!! This is looking like a russian roulette.
I wonder when i'm getting the bullet :(

Dave, sorry JHP replaced them both and didn't give me the duff one(s)... £98+VAT... OUCH!!! :o

JPM, did you asked JHP if this is a know issue to Ducati dealers?
I mean, if Ducati did any recomendation about changing the coils?

Cheers Rob... If i draw any more blanks we could be up for trying the good old way :o

Ducnow - No to be honest we didn't hang around, they were mad busy, must of had 100 bikes in the service department alone, and they literally loaded mine into the van and we left after a small chat.

Ok, thanks JPM.
I think i'll call my dealer here and ask him, but i'm sure he'll say he never heard anything about it........... :rolleye:

Do we have any idea whether this affects 03 models 749 or was it only machines of a certain age? Getting nervous about my trip around Scotland now.

:puzzled:

Got one ...... Big it up for John at Ducati leeds...+ 20% disount.... Mondays not looking that bad after all :roll::roll::roll:

Did he say there was a known issue?

Yep...They changed 2 last week ! Just a bit surprised that more dealers haven't got them in stock.

If it's a known issue why aren't you getting the parts for free? Ducati UK should be paying for it IMO.

Yep.

And Dave, do you know if there's any official recomendation from Ducati for changing the coils'

Good point....

As for holding spares, who knows, maybe there aren't any available as they are in such high demand, maybe not many get replaced outside of warranty, and dealers don't hold a stock, maybe the warranty process etc that the parts have to be issued by Ducati UK? I really don't know TBH

If it's a known issue why aren't you getting the parts for free? Ducati UK should be paying for it IMO. [/quote]

The bikes out of warranty... This fault is no listed as a recall :mad: So no can do... I would sooner do the work myself than take it to my local dealer !

The bikes out of warranty... This fault is no listed as a recall :mad: So no can do... I would sooner do the work myself than take it to my local dealer ! [/quote]

I'd still ask the question though Dave. You don't get if you don't ask ...

Worth a try? It is a known issue that they are correcting on bikes under warranty.

The bikes out of warranty... This fault is no listed as a recall :mad: So no can do... I would sooner do the work myself than take it to my local dealer ! [/quote]

mate 996 rockers aren't a known recall but DUK have been regularly supplying these parts even if the bikes have been out of warranty ....

You have a PM mate

Just got off the phone to said dealer.... Sorry sir but that bike is now out of warranty !! Oh what a surprise, This is the dealer that charges more money for a service if it wasn't supplied by them ! They just don't want to help at all..... Going to pursue option B... Cheers Dibs, And thanks for all the advice.

dave w
the unofficial mod is to solder the wires to the plug on the front cylinder and make up a small lead, and then filling the hole on the plug with sealant.

do you still have your old plug/coil

Can this item be inspected (by me I mean), or is the damage all internal and invisible? What do we think actually happens to it?

yes (quick answer)


take off the plug cap(you might need to undo the small nut holding it to the rocker cover.
push the coil and the male L/t wire plug together and push the relese clip and they shoud pull apart.
in good light look at the metal prongs inside female plug socket on the coil
if the metal prongs are a greeny colour then carefully rub them with a small piece of emery paper .


dont go mad though as you dont want to remove the coating on them
if symtoms persist them strip the wire plug its self and clean the contacts.

other option is to slide the wire plug on and off a few times with a little wd40 to clean the contacts

the fault normaly is an earth problem and is read by the mathisis as an earth falure front cylinder

the last bodge is to turn the metal pins inside the coil female plug a few deg to force the contact patch to stay constant

only problem is that the coil Failure normaly leads to the plug to be U/S as well

[Edited on 11-4-2005 by nathanhu]

Had a quick look and a clean up.... Its just the same, No volts = no sparks= dead coil !! :mad: Had a good old look at the Fila.. Thats seems to have the new type coils fitted... So with any luck mine should be ok !!

Great, thanks nathanhu. I shall go and tke a look. I have some high preformance (Wurth) silicone spray that Italia recommended. It's thick and stays put - in fact clogs the nozzle on the can, so it ought to protect the pins.

How do you recognie the new types then?

OMG - this is not the offending item is it? (see pic)

I had never actually (knowingly) seen the plugs as I don't do any maintenance (in warranty period at moment). Also, these don't look like any spark plugs I've ever seen.

The OMG was because I had this item fail on me on my first long(ish) trip last year. In fact, I was still running it in and ended up in the Cotswolds phoning for the AA. I thought that it was an engine sensor, I noticed that the plug had come adrift so I wedged the clip shut with a piece of plastic which you can see in the picture.

I never did take it to the dealer ... refitting the plug solved it and I carried on. Been OK since.

[Edited on 11-4-2005 by HW]

Coil turned up first thing today.... Cheers John (Ducati Leeds) Will be fitting it tonight ..so hopefully back on the road again :D

So, is it the bit in my photo above? Just trying to make sure I am on the same wavelength here .... ?

:puzzled:

How different is the 999 set-up from the 748/996 one?

HW... you are on the same wavelength.... Nice picture ;)

Not 100% sure... But i think you have separate coils and plug caps on 748/ 996 etc... But i could be wrong !