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Tonio600 01-Sep-2006 10:57

my roundal's still here...
 
Just to balance the other thread...

Because we people who love that club are also entitled to our own thread :lol:

Steve M 01-Sep-2006 11:05

so is mine :)

Loz 01-Sep-2006 11:17

Proud to be a member. A balanced view of things helps with that ;)

Loz 01-Sep-2006 11:24

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Originally Posted by bradders
so the only way to have a balanced view is to be a member...:p


:lol:

You're nearly there, Paul, but you got it back to front! :p

rcgbob44 01-Sep-2006 11:25

Are we the rich bunch that can afford 20 beer vouchers?????????????????/

everton 01-Sep-2006 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradders
so the only way to have a balanced view is to be a member...:p


Kind of!

Out of interest when parliamentary and local elections come round do you vote?

If you don't vote then in my book you have every right to have an opinion but no right to air it/discuss/argue it publicly.

To get something out you have to put something in.

btw the correct spelling for everyone is 'roundel'

doogalman 01-Sep-2006 12:39

Thats strange, i've got mine also!

Tonio600 01-Sep-2006 12:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by everton
btw the correct spelling for everyone is 'roundel'


I learn what I read... ;) Thanks for the correction though.

philthy 01-Sep-2006 13:38

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Originally Posted by everton
If you don't vote then in my book you have every right to have an opinion but no right to air it/discuss/argue it publicly.




Surely that is a fundamental right of a democracy....Free speech for all?

Loz 01-Sep-2006 13:42

Yep, and Everton is expressing himself in free speech.
That's the daft thing about freedom of speech - everyone's entitled to state their opinion, even if their opinion is that you shouldn't express yours!

:lol:

keefer 01-Sep-2006 13:50

I was going to write something really interesting and profound.
but I cant be arsed.
Paul with regard to your other thread.
I don't understand peoples need to make such public statements about whether they are staying or leaving.
and the reaction you have received is a little overwhelming but good for the club.
luckily the majority of us love it. and are prepared to put our hands in our pockets to keep it going.
What sort of response did you want to get from your thread

Tonio600 01-Sep-2006 14:02

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Originally Posted by bradders
sometimes choosing not to vote is a vote of its own - never heard of abstaining (spelling ok??)


how wrong. abstaining has never been voting. voting blank is.

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Originally Posted by bradders
all because I choose not to renew?? what do you think this is, the mafia??


I think you're wrong again :D You free not to review, nobody would care, but what's the point of posting a message here for that???????? If don't want to be judged, just shut up ;) If I don't want to read people telling me I'm wrong (as I'm usually), I just shut up.

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Originally Posted by bradders
clearly you lot miss the point!


I think we all miss it as much don't we?

philthy 01-Sep-2006 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz
Yep, and Everton is expressing himself in free speech.
That's the daft thing about freedom of speech - everyone's entitled to state their opinion, even if their opinion is that you shouldn't express yours!

:lol:


Nice one........

Tonio600 01-Sep-2006 14:03

and off you go, you need a ROUNDEL to post in this topic :lol:

Tonio600 01-Sep-2006 14:39

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Originally Posted by bradders
I may be wrong, but not as wrong as you


That's why I usually don't take part in debates, I'm quite often wrong.
But then I'm not fool enough to start them.

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Originally Posted by bradders
not all words are used in their literal sense, some are used in spirit.


I'm sorry mate, I clearly don't understand spirit. I'm just a foreigner, don't blame me if I can't be as clever as you are.

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Originally Posted by bradders
But then its not spirit this club is about, its roundels!! :p


And people leaving the place shouting "I'm off" louder than anyone else just to... what for? Here is the point, what for?? :lol:

everton 01-Sep-2006 15:11

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Originally Posted by bradders
another dig Everton, and I thought we were over that...

sometimes choosing not to vote is a vote of its own - never heard of abstaining (spelling ok??)

so because I dont pay I cant air a view - I take it you have told Henners this too? and all the others on here without a roundEl

I dont make polictical statements, only have a go when i think something unfair is happeneing, I dont make unwarranted inflamitary statements, I dont make personal remarrks but I get them aimed at me...all because I choose not to renew?? what do you think this is, the mafia?? or is it becasue i am a lone vioce, ie no backing from others on here, that its easy to try and bully me from the keyboard?? I suggest anyone who has an issue with me or a personal attack thing to say to me do it in person, not on here, if its anything other than a bit o banter....I will probably now be at the pub in wargrave Sunday if you want to discuss...public place so anyone can join, not just members!!

feedback, an important part of any business when it has customers...clearly you lot miss the point!

rant over


You know, I really don't know what you are trying to say here and I don't think you know either - there's no personal remarks aimed at you whatsoever from me or anyone else.

Abstaining from a vote in political process is not acceptable in my view but if you choose to do so you forfeit the right to air your views in public debate. I think the practice, adopted in many countries, of being liable to a fine for not voting is an excellent idea.

Anyway ... answer me this - why do you think it's so important that we, paid up members and any prospective members, who maybe viewing this board, feel the need to know that you're not renewing? It's detrimental to the wellbeing of the club - I think you have a chip a la shoulder mate.

Also it's naive of you to assume, that a post like this, won't warrant some flak from those of us that choose to renew and continue supporting the club, however I do agree that personal attacks are taboo!

Personally I feel it is a shame that Henners, CK and Dibble are no longer members of this club but I understand why they aren't and those reasons are of a personal nature (PM me if I'm wrong to identify you guys). They have rightful greviances that don't need to be aired in public.

Basically, if you're leaving the club leave - don't tell the world.

See you at the George on Sunday.

Tonio600 01-Sep-2006 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by everton
You know, I really don't know what you are trying to say here and I don't think you know either - there's no personal remarks aimed at you whatsoever from me or anyone else.

Abstaining from a vote in political process is not acceptable in my view but if you choose to do so you forfeit the right to air your views in public debate. I think the practice, adopted in many countries, of being liable to a fine for not voting is an excellent idea.

Anyway ... answer me this - why do you think it's so important that we, paid up members and any prospective members, who maybe viewing this board, feel the need to know that you're not renewing? It's detrimental to the wellbeing of the club - I think you have a chip a la shoulder mate.

Also it's naive of you to assume, that a post like this, won't warrant some flak from those of us that choose to renew and continue supporting the club, however I do agree that personal attacks are taboo!

Personally I feel it is a shame that Henners, CK and Dibble are no longer members of this club but I understand why they aren't and those reasons are of a personal nature (PM me if I'm wrong to identify you guys). They have rightful greviances that don't need to be aired in public.

Basically, if you're leaving the club leave - don't tell the world.

See you at the George on Sunday.


I wish I could write that well. As Everton says, from me too there was nothing personnaly directed to you. A mate of mine would have posted that kind of post I would have reacted in the same way...

I won't see you at the George, but maybe another time :)

andyb 01-Sep-2006 20:26

Wheres the other thread gone......................

Spen 01-Sep-2006 20:28

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Originally Posted by andyb
Wheres the other thread gone......................


I've just pulled it and my pants have fallen down.......










..... that's what I'm telling the magistrate anyway......

philthy 01-Sep-2006 20:35

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Originally Posted by Spen
I've just pulled it and my pants have fallen down.......










..... that's what I'm telling the magistrate anyway......


Well pull the other one then...it's got bells on.

andyb 01-Sep-2006 20:55

See, youll get the site a bad name all that pulling..........

Spen 01-Sep-2006 21:03

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Originally Posted by andyb
See, youll get the site a bad name all that pulling..........



I went to a seafood disco once......






......... I pulled a mussel.

bradders 01-Sep-2006 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyb
Wheres the other thread gone......................


I deleted it, along with most of my posts on this one, just noticed I missed one above, that will go too.

andyb 02-Sep-2006 08:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradders
I deleted it, along with most of my posts on this one, just noticed I missed one above, that will go too.


Call me cynical, but if your taking that stance.................i note the bike is still in the for sale bit!

I really do believe to post in the for sale bit you should be a member.........all this **** about ........"ill post it here just before i put it on ebay"

Quite frankly, if your selling something of a specific brand, you go to the captive audience to maximize the return! People dont look to sell on here as a favour for the site.........they look for a cheap, quick sell with the biggest profit! (although i will concede there are some adverts that are in the best intrest of the site users)

I think we should earn the right to that captive sell and the price................membership! I see it on other sites, why not here!!

philthy 02-Sep-2006 09:22

Yes I can certainly see your point, but there don't seem to be that many ' for sale ' posts and some are obviously of benefit to both parties as the item seems to be sold very quickly. ( There are also the ones which everyone ignores for whatever reason )

If you make it members only for sellers and buyers aren't you reducing the chance of a sale for the seller? I would suggest that for instance ebay is a ' captive ' audience of far larger proportions than this one.

andyb 02-Sep-2006 09:51

Yes ebay is a larger audience, but with that comes all the problems we see so regularly, plus when selling a complete bike on there, i see it as something of a last resort. I know i look at stuff for sale on ther and straight away ask whats wrong with that.

Selling a complete bike on a specialist site does get the reward of audience knowledge, we all know whats what with Ducatis, and therefor gives the chance of a fuller price.

everton 02-Sep-2006 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by philthy
Yes I can certainly see your point, but there don't seem to be that many ' for sale ' posts and some are obviously of benefit to both parties as the item seems to be sold very quickly. ( There are also the ones which everyone ignores for whatever reason )

If you make it members only for sellers and buyers aren't you reducing the chance of a sale for the seller? I would suggest that for instance ebay is a ' captive ' audience of far larger proportions than this one.


Good and reasonable points philthy.

I don't have a problem advertising whatever in the For Sale section on the proviso that it's free to advertise for members and non-members should pay a charge. That way everyone wins - £20 per advert would seem fair :D

bradders 02-Sep-2006 12:55

So, although I have been a paid up member, participated in trackdays, attended meets and rides outs, even led them, and promoted the club to new members for the last 3 years, I am now not ALLOWED to sell my Ducati bike here either??

And someone said this wasn’t personal……

The reason I deleted the other post, and those on here, were twofold; it seemed to be ruffling some feathers which isn’t great for the club (!) and I was pi$$ed off with many of the remarks I had aimed at me for my decision which I deemed personal – whether the poster did or not is immaterial as communication is what is understood not what is said..

The post was not one of political rambling, nor were there toys out of pram moments, nor big statements of everyone leave….I simply advised that I was not renewing and I had moved on and that I would still be around on the board, at ride out and support the club in ways other than the £20. I though some of my friends on here would be interested and it would stop people asking of I was renewing. For this, I get flamed, told I can’t sell my bike, picked up on spelling (!) and generally told I no longer belong here….and where were the WT then??

Some of the stuff people post on here about their personal lives is incredible, much of it not related at all to bike…they do it to share an experience, good or bad, with virtual (and some real) friends…well I tried to and look what happened, even though it was completely relevant to the club.

While I aimed to continue to support the club in promoting, membership, attending meets & ride outs, and generally helping where I could, clearly I am no longer welcome by some to do this.

To me, it stinks of the elitist, cliquey issues that have been levelled at the DSC for some time.

In summary, if I am not welcome unless I cough up the dosh, then I guess it’s another home for me. I assume those on this witch hunt will also go after all those without a roundel?? (Rhetorical) DuN seem to be a decent bunch, the best of here with none of the elitist ****, I think I’ll go there.

doogalman 02-Sep-2006 13:22

If you don't need to me a member to view the adverts then you should not need to be a member to advertise there.
I'm sure loads of members have bought items or even bikes of non-members.
Just my view.

Sharpy G 07-Sep-2006 06:54

my roundal has arrived !!!!!!!!

cool, bling for my posts !

doogalman 07-Sep-2006 12:50

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Originally Posted by Sharpy G
my roundal has arrived !!!!!!!!

cool, bling for my posts !

Mate i thought you were getting a Carbon one...

Sharpy G 07-Sep-2006 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by doogalman
Mate i thought you were getting a Carbon one...


no....decided the red one went better with my eyes ! LOL


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