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andyb 11-Oct-2006 18:44

All those in favour of capital punishment, say I.....
 
So, in the light of incontestable evidence, you play the system by pleading guilty to the cold blooded, heartless, unecessary and needless murder of a defenceless victim, who given the odds couldnt and wouldnt of been able to offer any resistance to your aims anyway.........

should you be allowed any luxurys....or hang?

Paul James 11-Oct-2006 18:48

Isn't that against their human rights Andy ? Erm...or is it more against the human rights of the innocent victim who didn't have a choice in the matter ?

andyb 11-Oct-2006 18:52

I think it was in the interests of his human rights that an indepth and expensive enquiry was carried out..........beyond all reasonable doubt.......(even some paid by the public, rip off smart arse lawyer couldnt contest) so in the light of that plead guilty!.........gotta be worth a room on your own, tv, 3 square meals.................etc, etc, etc

dickieducati 11-Oct-2006 18:58

kill 'em.

andyb 11-Oct-2006 19:03

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Originally Posted by dickieducati
kill 'em.


Good point, well made!

Chaz 11-Oct-2006 19:03

Hang the bastids

domski 11-Oct-2006 19:12

Make them run DD for a year!!!

:lol:

Tonio600 11-Oct-2006 19:15

I don't know at all what story you're talking about. I should have a look at the BBC website maybe...

But to me the capital punishment is clearly the wrong way. What if 10 years later the person who was declared guilty and so sentenced to death is made innocent because the technology has evolved and can prove things which it couldn't before?

I think jail for life is more the way forward. Clearly more expensive for the community, but more painful for who has to go through. And can be stopped when justice realises it was wrong.

Tonio600 11-Oct-2006 19:18

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Originally Posted by andyb
I think it was in the interests of his human rights that an indepth and expensive enquiry was carried out..........beyond all reasonable doubt.......(even some paid by the public, rip off smart arse lawyer couldnt contest) so in the light of that plead guilty!.........gotta be worth a room on your own, tv, 3 square meals.................etc, etc, etc


I've never been to jail, but if it's as good as you say it, I don't understand why so many commit suicide...

andyb 11-Oct-2006 19:18

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Originally Posted by Tonio600
I don't know at all what story you're talking about. I should have a look at the BBC website maybe...

But to me the capital punishment is clearly the wrong way. What if 10 years later the person who was declared guilty and so sentenced to death is made innocent because the technology has evolved and can prove things which it couldn't before?

I think jail for life is more the way forward. Clearly more expensive for the community, but more painful for who has to go through. And can be stopped when justice realises it was wrong.


Its the theiving robbing scum that shot the defenceless police woman in Bradford last year.........Why should i have to pay for his keep for the rest of his existance?......@ £300+ per day?

Paul James 11-Oct-2006 19:22

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Originally Posted by andyb
Its the theiving robbing scum that shot the defenceless police woman in Bradford last year.........Why should i have to pay for his keep for the rest of his existance?......@ £300+ per day?


Can you keep the rope when you've finished with it, can use it on the scumbag who shot a baby dead "by mistake" apparently he was shooting at firemen across the road and missed his mark. Great defense innit !

andyb 11-Oct-2006 19:22

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Originally Posted by Tonio600
I've never been to jail, but if it's as good as you say it, I don't understand why so many commit suicide...


So many? how many? attention seeking ****!

Bet yer ones in France/italy aint so nice...........

Paul James 11-Oct-2006 19:25

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Originally Posted by andyb
So many? how many? attention seeking ****!

Bet yer ones in France/italy aint so nice...........


Did you ever see "Midnight Express" ? great prison system there !!!

What we really need is "Midnight Express" meets "Soylent Green"

Tonio600 11-Oct-2006 19:28

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Originally Posted by andyb
Its the theiving robbing scum that shot the defenceless police woman in Bradford last year.........Why should i have to pay for his keep for the rest of his existance?......@ £300+ per day?


I don't know... because you happen to be a human being I guess. I just know that the law needs to be the same in all cases. And for me the capital punishment in not the right solution. At least until we find a way to bring back those killed by the justice by mistake.

Must be my French culture...

GsxrAge 11-Oct-2006 19:29

I am in favor of hard punishment !

How about national service again !!!

Age

Tonio600 11-Oct-2006 19:33

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Originally Posted by andyb
So many? how many? attention seeking ****!
Bet yer ones in France/italy aint so nice...........


The rate is 8 times more than compared to the life outside. I guess it because we've got nice prisons with view on the beach.

andyb 11-Oct-2006 19:35

I quite liked the Chinese organ doner approach.........plus sending the family the bill for the bullet!

doogalman 11-Oct-2006 19:39

Hard punishment and capital. Gets my vote. How about lopping of hands for thiefing scum aswell?
This once great nation is just so lenient. Damilola Taylors killers, no remorse 8 years total 1 year on remand out in 3. What would you want if it had been a child of yours glassed in the leg and left to bleed to death?

aka.eric 11-Oct-2006 19:40

In a perfect world,kill em.But,how many innocent people would have been killed,just in my lifetime because the police fabricated evidence,ignored witnesses etc etc.Id like a vote,all those voting in favour of execution,names on a list.Then when an innocent persons executed,take a name of the list and do the same to them.Only fair,kill an innocent person,somebody must take responsibility and pay the price!.

andyb 11-Oct-2006 19:44

Which part of irreputable evidence, and full and frank admission have we missed here?

......and the days of beating a confession sadly, are long gone! Today, an admission of guilt comes only when there is literally nowhere else to go........the case against, IS that good!

Paul James 11-Oct-2006 19:57

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Originally Posted by andyb

......and the days of beating a confession sadly, are long gone! !


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Paul James 11-Oct-2006 19:59

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Originally Posted by andyb
I quite liked the Chinese organ doner approach.........plus sending the family the bill for the bullet!


Is that with or without chillies and salad then Andy ?

They even have a van that they send round for the job.

domski 11-Oct-2006 20:01

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Originally Posted by Paul James
Is that with or without chillies and salad then Andy ?

They even have a van that they send round for the job.


...but only within 3 miles of the city centre.

Paul James 11-Oct-2006 20:14

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Originally Posted by domski
...but only within 3 miles of the city centre.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nah, they offer a country wide service, not sure if they charge for the fuel

aka.eric 11-Oct-2006 20:23

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Originally Posted by andyb
Which part of irreputable evidence, and full and frank admission have we missed here?

......and the days of beating a confession sadly, are long gone! Today, an admission of guilt comes only when there is literally nowhere else to go........the case against, IS that good!


There was "irreputable evidence and full and frank admissions" when six Irish blokes were charged,the evidence put there by the police and the written confessions obtained by "persuasion".
But of course times have changed,and all police officers are straight now.....straight as a hook!

Henners 11-Oct-2006 20:25

Ah but Eric - that was the Midlands Regional Crime squad - the best police force money could buy ;) Now don't get me started on the MT OK??

Davieravie 11-Oct-2006 20:30

Some Brazilian geezer got shot not long ago on the tube...........He must have been guilty too...........:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Paul James 11-Oct-2006 20:52

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Originally Posted by Davieravie
Some Brazilian geezer got shot not long ago on the tube...........He must have been guilty too...........:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Only of being in the country illegaly I seem to recall ?

Davieravie 11-Oct-2006 20:58

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Originally Posted by Paul James
Only of being in the country illegaly I seem to recall ?


Poor bastid!

Henners 11-Oct-2006 21:04

Davie
 
.. how are you? Got a roof over your head yet?

Henners

aka.eric 11-Oct-2006 21:06

To be fair on this one...It was stated at the enquiry,that "his clothing added to the officers suspicions",so easy mistake to make then,enquiry (whitewa..) closed,nobody to blame..end of.Wonder they didnt claim they were familiarizing themselves with new weapons,excuse for any illegal act it seems.

Davieravie 11-Oct-2006 21:09

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Originally Posted by Henners
.. how are you? Got a roof over your head yet?

Henners


Alright Henry my dear chum....roof is on (still) and the house has had a sparkly/techno makeover! :D

Henners 11-Oct-2006 21:10

Great
 
... good to see you in these parts :)

Davieravie 11-Oct-2006 21:11

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Originally Posted by aka.eric
To be fair on this one...It was stated at the enquiry,that "his clothing added to the officers suspicions",.


Better watch out folks and not pop a semi on the London Underground then! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Davieravie 11-Oct-2006 21:12

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Originally Posted by Dseered
Illegal in the wrong country, bloody 'ell Davie, best be carefull when you cross the border............on a yellow bike ;)


Unlike the poor Brazilian sod, I am usually armed and dangerous! ;)

Davieravie 11-Oct-2006 21:16

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Originally Posted by Henners
... good to see you in these parts :)


Cheers Henry, likewise. :cool:

andyb 11-Oct-2006 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davieravie
Some Brazilian geezer got shot not long ago on the tube...........He must have been guilty too...........:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


2 completely different sets of circumstances!

what i am talking about is a thieving scumbag whos prepared to not only take with him, but use a real loaded f/arm and shoot at and kill what was a defenceless obstacle for his escape! He wasnt even faced with some hairy arsed 6'5" that may of given him a run for his money.


The issue you raised is of course an extremely sad set of events, but not relevent to my topic.

The next time your travelling on a tube, or trapped in amongst a large group of people imagine the devestation those victims faced on 7/7..........

Henners 11-Oct-2006 21:28

Andy - nothing personal mate - you're OK :)

andyb 11-Oct-2006 21:30

I know!

Davieravie 11-Oct-2006 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyb
2 completely different sets of circumstances!

what i am talking about is a thieving scumbag whos prepared to not only take with him, but use a real loaded f/arm and shoot at and kill what was a defenceless obstacle for his escape! He wasnt even faced with some hairy arsed 6'5" that may of given him a run for his money.


The issue you raised is of course an extremely sad set of events, but not relevent to my topic.

The next time your travelling on a tube, or trapped in amongst a large group of people imagine the devestation those victims faced on 7/7..........


Im against capital punishment as it does not work. Its my personal opinion. Its the old eye for an eye thing. It makes the victims relatives feel better in the end. It doesnt actually stop the initial crime happening in the first place. In this case you are referring to, i think the correct judicial decision would be life in jail and that means life.


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