Agree with all of the above. I've had my 851 for 9 years ( And my Katana for about 13 years). I have ridden a 916 but felt like I was hanging over the front wheel ( I'm 6ft ) whereas on the 851 I feel as if I'm '' in '' the bike and feel more involved. As to values, they seem to have bottomed out now at £2 -£2.5 k. I just wish I had a spare five or six grand to buy an SP as well. Phil |