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Originally posted by gaz3014
Quote: Originally posted by stef
Ariel,
by conscript war, i meant that the majority of combat was fought by conscripts, as opposed to a war of professional soldiers.. fair enough, the vast majority of those didnt really have a clue about what was going on, in terms of who was fighting who, and what for. But both my grand parents did (or at least they pretended to).
I personally disagree that the profession of soldier is an honorable one. fighting an honorable war is different. a soldier surenders himself to be used and abused. that's how i see it anyway. I am not saying they are bad folks either...
and you are right, blair's decision did cloud the issue, but the millitary remains what it is, a government tool. it was abused. but then, we live in a democracy, we cannot, as a nation, blame everything on blair, he was elected...and reelected.
Ian,
you are going off a little ;-)
i could just say that the IRA, mafia, basques separatists, corsicans and other greek communists have blown more things up than people seem to remember. they are not arabs or muslims... people always need something to put their insecurity on, it was UFOs in the 50s, this time round, it's on the arab. it's human nature. it helps to focus the fear on something tangible, and that in itself is rearuring. just take it easy ! |
Sorry Stef, but youv'e gone too far!!! Like it or not, there are weak people and strong people. FACT!!! Therefore, if it wasn't for people like me defending, or ready to defend people like you, I wonder what sort of life you would have???? When the Falklands was invaded, what did you think?? "Oh well, lets see if we can talk them into changing there minds, and leaving"!!!!! Yeah, right!!
Oh, and I wasn't pointing at Muslims alone. One way or another, differant beliefs come into every conflict in history.
Catholics/protestants.
So called arian race.
communism/democracy.
muslims/christians
The list goes on!!
Who do you think maintains democracy. Debate???
So dont go disrespecting those who have given the ultimate sacrifice, for what you enjoy. And I dont mean my generation. I hope I'm wrong but that is the impression i'm getting from you.
I wont be coming back to this thread, cos some people are talking b&*"!"&ks, and it's getting too far!!!
[Edited on 8-11-2005 by gaz3014] |
Gaz, before you go off, i wasnt really replying to your post directly. the muslim comment was more on relation to ian's.
and i am not direspecting anyone. i have a lot of respect for people who fight for something they beleive in, if that something is just. I have little respect/ indifference for people who are not really sure what they morally fight for.
if the modern professional army has fallen to a level where it's only a muscle for hire, it maybe wise considering a career change. or put it this way: if we were ruled by g.w. bush.. would you enroll ? end of thread for me.