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Old 29-May-2004, 15:19
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Sorry mate either im not explaining myself well or your not understanding me.

1) I use the term General rule as, you dont cross the solid, except in the matters discussed in HC, hard and fast. Except.....however, i think if you crossed it to avoid something like a child etc, or you were in automaton, you would have a good case, which of course would be down to interpretation.......

2)You will always get a better view on right handers as apposed to left.

i wil try to explain. Put yourself in what i will call the follow position. ie, lets say the car youve arrived up behind as youve entered the 30 limit, is doing 30mph. You will now follow that vehicle sitting, lets say 10 - 30metres +, behind in a position to the offside of the lane your in, and the offside rear corner of that vehicle.

The reason i give this varied distance is, youre going to stick to the limit ( or less, as the case maybe), and because of the limit you cant pass. Being the careful considerate rider you are, and because you cant pass, you might even drop back, relieving the pressure on the vehicle in front of you.

You know at some point the limit is going to go National, you plan ahead, see it coming up, and move closer to that vehicle in readiness to overtake.( obviously remaining within the limit)

As you both approach the right hand bend ahead, you can get an earlier unobstructed view of the road ahead looking across to your right. You go into the nationals and pass.

job done.

Apply this to a left bend. Now to get a view to the nearside of that vehicle, you have either got to move to the nearside, possibly a position we dont want to be on a vulnerable bike, or drop back. Then of course to overtake, you have got to move back out and or up, to go past the vehicle.

Depending on the size of the vehicle, and the number in the queue in front of it, you are going to lose sight of whats coming towards. There is always going to be an unseen area of the road ahead.
Now you might get away with one vehicle, particulary when there is nothing in your lane in front of it and its quite small.
The amount of unseen view is so small you know there will be no other road user in there.

But make that vehicle even just the size of a transit van, and you will lose sight of the road ahead, as you make your move. Put it in a queue, and you are then gambling on how many you going to take, where are you going to go. Wheres your escape route?
More importantly your putting yourself up on offer.

This is what i mean by degrees of 10ths for the overtake. That 10/10ths view for the overtake will feel so good compared to anything less.

You talk about excercising your own judgement, and your right, thats where the skill come into it.

How many 10ths would you give to your BMW overtake?(a retorical question not a fingerpoint)

Oh and your last point, i would say cross the lines at your peril, both physically and legally.
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