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[twpd]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Another one at it where have I claimed there are 30+ on a regular basis

I think I can legitimately claim that there are 23+ class B riders on a regular basis at races in this country, which at every track we race at in this country would make up more than half of the grid

Which is somewhat different from 30+ you claimed were competing in the championship. People are only competing if they are turning up on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by skidlids

As it has already been suggested in other threads on this notice board or on the DD one that we should look at going to the likes of Mallory instead of the likes of Castle Combe in 2007, how will one combined grid work with 32 starting slots available, I can't see it being in the best nterests of Class B.

Well as class B regularly fields the most I can't quite see how class B suffers unless class A is given priority which, as you well know, is not the case. It's first come, first served.

Originally Posted by skidlids

I would like to see Class B grow futher and Class A at least get to the entry levels that Class B is regularly at, which is why for the second meeting running I have entered class A as well as class B and I'm not the only one to have done that.

Then get more on the grid. Make the series more appealing, make it simple, make the meetings 2 day affairs and move some of the meetings further north to attract northern riders.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by twpd

Which is somewhat different from 30+ you claimed were competing in the championship. People are only competing if they are turning up on a regular basis.

Not quite
This is DD and as such people register to enter the series (most pre season, this year there was 56 names pre season)and therefore have a say in what goes on, If a ballot is required then everybody that has registered for the series is contacted and that means as riders rep for the 583 class I can have up to 30+ opinions to be considered, which is what I have been saying but some people don't seem to get it.
If we only considered those that rode in every round it would be 13 in Class A and 6 in Class B (figures are low because of Assen round, So nobody go telling New Era we only have 19 regular entrants)

DD is the DSCs race series at present and was hoped to be different from other race series, but that distinction is fading fast and if it carrys on it will soon be just like other race series and I suspect will soon loose what remainder of the support it has within the DSC membership.

If the cost of class B isn't appealing I don't know what is, I know various DDers already taking part would rather we didn't race on Saturdays as they have businesses to run and therefore don't ideally want 2 day meetings.
As Glyn at the Scooter shop said, it costs him £400 to close on a Saturday, doesn't help meet the criteria of cheap racing for DSC members.

If we did more Northern venues we may attract a few more but we could also loose the strong contingent from the South Coast, Southampton and Portsmouth are a long way from Croft, they're not exactly close to Oulton or Cadwell.

My original post in this thread was just to say I was taking note and would be gathering the information and see how it was going to effect the 30+ registered entrants for Class B for which I have come in for a lot of stick.
Which about sums up the message board

[domski]

Originally Posted by skidlids

This is DD and as such people register to enter the series (most pre season, this year there was 56 names pre season)and therefore have a say in what goes on, If a ballot is required then everybody that has registered for the series is contacted and that means as riders rep for the 583 class I can have up to 30+ opinions to be considered, which is what I have been saying but some people don't seem to get it.

So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?

I have two issues with that.

Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.

That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.

Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.

[domski]

Originally Posted by skidlids

I made it 24 Class B bikes at Cadwell and 16 class A which looks like it will be the type of figures for the rest of the season so what we need for seperate grids is more class A bikes or drop them and just have 583s with a novice championship contained within it and settle for one grid

What a great idea. It's lucky Class B can sustain a grid...

Originally Posted by skidlids

I made it 24 Class B bikes at Cadwell

Originally Posted by domski

There were 24 bikes in class B at Oulton, 21 at Castle Combe, 11 at Assen, 23 at Brands and 24 at Cadwell.

Oh dear, even Class B doesn't have enough riders.

Originally Posted by skidlids

just have 583s with a novice championship contained within it and settle for one grid

Great idea, we can just get rid of 24 x 620 riders, and just have a 583 class - pure genius!!

Originally Posted by skidlids

Lets face it we have heard DDs go on about how much we contribute to New Era's income but when it comes down to it Class B contributes more (up to 50% more) and still get the worse end of the deal.

Although as you later said...

Originally Posted by skidlids

If we only considered those that rode in every round it would be 13 in Class A and 6 in Class B

Not looking good is it. I know...

Originally Posted by skidlids

I have again entered both classes at Donington (yes the entry has been sent) in an attempt to bolster the numbers in Class A to try and help get seperate grids, but based on Oulton I have included a letter asking if its not possible for me to race in two seperate DD classes then just enter me in Class B and also in SV 650s if there is room.

You don't need to bolster Class A - all you need to do is get 25 people in Class B. Then you can have your own grid.

Or, you could just accept the fact that neither class has enough riders, and nobody is proactively recruiting new riders (I have got a friend racing at Donington though, and another entering next season) so therefore, we'll have to keep going as we are.

If Class B riders are that upset that they don't want to be combined with Class A, and you would know Kev, being the rider rep. I suggest you speak to Jim Parker and ask him to give you a grid for 24 or less bikes.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by domski

So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?

I have two issues with that.

Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.

That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.

Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.

I don't have to put any riders views to the RC as anything the riders need to express should be by emailing the RC using the email address desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com
then if the MT side of the RC decide to act on any of these suggestion I sit there saying nothing and remain impartial and not even be allowed to express my own view after all I can't express anybody elses opinion as I'm not to have considered it.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by domski

So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?

I have two issues with that.

Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.

That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.

Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.

I don't have to put any riders views to the RC as anything the riders need to express should be by emailing the RC using the email address desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com
then if the MT side of the RC decide to act on any of these suggestion I sit there saying nothing and remain impartial and not even be allowed to express my own view after all I can't express anybody elses opinion as I'm not to have considered it.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by domski

So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?

I have two issues with that.

Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.

That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.

Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.

I don't have to put any riders views to the RC as anything the riders need to express should be by emailing the RC using the email address desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com
then if the MT side of the RC decide to act on any of these suggestion I sit there saying nothing and remain impartial and not even be allowed to express my own view after all I can't express anybody elses opinion as I'm not to have considered it.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by domski

So you need to consider the views of people that aren't even racing - but have registered an interest?

I have two issues with that.

Firstly, and it may just be the way you're wording it (so I apologise if I'm reading in to it too much), but you don't have to consider anything. It's your job to put the riders views to the MT members on the RC. You have been voted in to represent the riders, not consider points of view, or advise people (unless they ask). You need to remain completely impartial, and put forward any/every view of the riders you represent to the RC. Otherwise you're failing in your duty.

That goes for Tim as well. I expect my rider rep to act on my behalf, not pick/choose/consider what I say when speaking to the RC.

Secondly, I don't agree that someone who may have registered and interest and not yet competed, or even someone who has competed but now left the series, has a vote in any ballot regarding DD. Voting rights should only be open to 'active' competitors - however that can be established.

I don't have to put any riders views to the RC as anything the riders need to express should be by emailing the RC using the email address desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com
then if the MT side of the RC decide to act on any of these suggestion I sit there saying nothing and remain impartial and not even be allowed to express my own view after all I can't express anybody elses opinion as I'm not to have considered it.

And as for not been able to ballot people that haven't competed could cause a few problems at the begining of each season, Those that have informed the RC that they have officially withdrawn from the series will not be sent a email by me for any ballots, but I can't recall seeing any emails to that effect although I have added people like Andy Sheppard to my list as well as Phil Clarke. Lin has said on the board she is no longer racing but she may change her mind, so to could possibly Glyn and Pshyclist but I doubt it as they have sold their bikes.

[NBs996]

but dom my sweetie, skids has to collate the riders views which are never going to be the same, and from the info he gets he then has to decide on behalf of his constituants what's best. It's not for Skids to act as middle-man for each and every rider.

So yes, he does have to consider everything and then use his experience and common sense to come to a conclusion which is then presented to the committee.

And I sure hope Tim doesn't act on your behalf... I'd like him to try'n find middle ground between your opinion and mine if that's ok!
That's how I see it anyway!

[domski]

Originally Posted by NBs996

So yes, he does have to consider everything and then use his experience and common sense to come to a conclusion which is then presented to the committee.

Like dropping Class A????

I didn't realise that was a common feeling amonst Class B riders.