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[berto]

Oh lighten up you,like we discussed the"all of them are bastids" will never change wrong place wrong time that's it.life's unfair get feckin used to it...

[andyb]

Bit like saying "all jocks are tight!"

[sye73]

Jeeez Derek,sounds like your boy got a really rough deal.What's the matter with these people...you'd hope that everyone entering the police force wanted to act honestly and truthfully. Hopefully Niall will see that he just got real unlucky + can move on.

[antonye]

Originally posted by andyb
So are "the courts" in on the lies too?

That's not what he said though, is it. What he did say was:
"As it turned out the Police's evidence was a string of lies."

Of course we all know that the Courts will always believe the word of a Policeman over the word of Joe Public because they are there to uphold the law without prejudice and to tell the truth under oath.

This is unfortunately where it all goes wrong.

[Ray]

In front of the magis you are GUILTY unless you can prove you are innocent with HARD evidence.

They invariably believe the officer of the law when they state they saw you doing 1001 MPH on the back wheel of your FS1E.
Unless you can produce evidence that said FS1E cannot do 1001 MPH.

The magis don't know any better and as biker you are "known" to be a danger to all and sundry.

The police are under pressure to "do the numbers" much like any other profession and in some circumstances do a VERY difficult job VERY WELL.

Unfortunately IMHO Police officers are in the position where they can in effect "convict" someone on the spot based on their own desire to "do the right thing". They can exercise powers that have been increasingly handed to them by the Nanny state.

Sometimes the consequences are less serious than others. In certain situations they are under enormous pressure to "do the right thing" in a life or death situation so you can expect some things to go wrong from time to time despite extensive training.

Pulling a road user up for "speeding" ain't one of those situations.

Ray

[andyb]

Originally posted by antonye

That's not what he said though, is it. What he did say was:
"As it turned out the Police's evidence was a string of lies."

Of course we all know that the Courts will always believe the word of a Policeman over the word of Joe Public because they are there to uphold the law without prejudice and to tell the truth under oath.

This is unfortunately where it all goes wrong.

"The trouble is that the Court doesn't take kindly to people saying that the policemen involved are a pair of liars and there's not much could be done since Niall had no witnesses to back him up."


This is what he said Ant.....I do believe that that is deemed OPINION, not fact, and quite rightly you will not get very far with opinion....unless it is expert! Of course the two Officers are not experts either!

I can also assure you that the Magistrates are told not to believe a Police Officer just because he is a Police Officer.

[clockwork orange]

Originally posted by RayThey can exercise powers that have been increasingly handed to them by the Nanny state.
Ray

And how much of this is due to various elements of society blatantly and excessively disregarding the law???

The other day I was driving at 55mph in a 50mph limit - and was the slowest vehicle on the (busy!) road. Its a fact that well over half the road users out there seem to be incapable of obeying a simple law such as a speed limit. So if a copper pulls someone over - he's got a better than 50% chance of being right.

OK, devil's advocate mode now turned off.

[bradders]

Originally posted by clockwork orange

And how much of this is due to various elements of society blatantly and excessively disregarding the law???

The other day I was driving at 55mph in a 50mph limit - and was the slowest vehicle on the (busy!) road. Its a fact that well over half the road users out there seem to be incapable of obeying a simple law such as a speed limit. So if a copper pulls someone over - he's got a better than 50% chance of being right.

OK, devil's advocate mode now turned off.

.......or are the speed limits wrong??

[antonye]

Originally posted by andyb
I can also assure you that the Magistrates are told not to believe a Police Officer just because he is a Police Officer.

That's not how I understand it (or believe it to be) but I'm sure you have a lot more experience than me in this!

[Rushjob]

My brother is a Magistrate... he found it difficult to rationalise that bit of his training with two brothers being Cops.
But it is true.