1098 Performance ?
 

Just looked at the 1098 owners manual (PDF FORMAT) from the Ducati.com website...

Says;

154hp not 160 as reported or stated on main superbike description.
116nm (85.6ft/lbs) torque not 90ft/lbs

Also,the weight is stated at;
173kg (base model)
171kg (s model) but these are without fuel,oil,water and battery.

188kg (base model) without fuel
186kg (S model) without fuel.

This is 15kg difference from "dry" to "semi-dry" weight.Whilst the discrepency in power isn't huge,the main site is misleading people and making sales on the back of it.

So, there's some contradiction on there own website and no doubt some artistic licence or rounding up of figures to make more appeal of the bike.

Why don't they just tell the real truth when they release a bike to the press.

The weight is quoted "dry" as a comparison to the Japs. They've always quoted a dry weight.
Not sure about the hp, but there are several standards by which it can be measured, PS and DIN for instance. Again both will give different numbers.

It'll go like stink though, and the ultimate dyno, your ass, will more than confirm that :)

The Japs have been doing it 4 years..

As,regard the power,without getting hung up on it,the Ducati site does actually quote in "hp" on both occasions,not DIN,PS,ETC.Same applies to the torque,both are using the same standards.....Two sets of figures.

There is a massive pre-occupation in the motorcycle press with bhp - a completely pointless pre-ocupation which has successfully been passed on to some owners, potential buyers.

Since there are but a handful of people in the known universe for whom the maximum performance is attainable on a track, it is a complete irrelevance to how the bike will perform in our hands. The biggest hindrance to me going any quicker now on my wee 749R is me - nothing else. My pal rides an R1 - no matter how often its pointed out to him that he can't use the power available, he still pours over reports spelling out that the latest sukiwaka is just up on power versus last year. Yet I'm still waiting on him coming past...All I know is the 1098 will be a whole lot more powerful than what I have - but could I use it, do I need it, if I'm honest ? I just hope as a Ducati lover that the bike is a huge commercial success with reliability to finally shut up the British motorcycle press who still can't stop throwing in lines like , '... if you can live with the possible unreliability factor'

i agree. one of the reason i changed from my 916 was due to its lack of power/speed. i was constantly getting blown away by il4's even 600's on the straights as it only had 107 at the back wheel. my 999 now has 147 and can happily keep up or beat with the vast majoirty of il4's on track especially if you can exit faster. as for the road its just frighteningly fast tbh and anyone that thinks they need any more will not be long for this world.

There's some interesting stuff in the owners manuals.

As for no one but track riding gods can use 160, 180 or 200BHP or whatever I'm not so sure, no special skill is required in a straight line, the throttle can be on the stop no problem:D its just the corners that require the skill:)

Surfing the torque on a big V twin is what Ducatis are all about for me, if I want to wring a bike up to red line in every gear I'll get another IL 4 thank you.

Ray.

So quoted power looks to be approx 10% up on the 999 which is no great surprise given CC has increased by the same amount.

Quoted dry weight of 999 was 186kg's, so 1098's a fair chunk less, but not the massive step forward being touted in the bike press.

Is it important? It's not like most people here or anywhere else are likely to fully exploit half of that let alone the "full" 154 or 160-ish bhp. ;)

Let the dyno and weigh scales do the talking when the bike becomes available.

Exactly. The great thing about the V-twin engine is the power is so much more useable than an IL4. So those of us who aren't riding Gods can be just as quick as a more powerful litre bike. My ST4S had easily enough useable power to pass some litre bikes on a recent track day becuase I had the confidence in the power delivery to really use it all. It seems the immense power of the IL4's are abit intimidating, I know I'd be more worried about throttle opening on one of those exiting a corner.

So the 1098 is playing the horsepower game a little bit more but I don't think any of us will complain too much. Disregarding the debate over looks, I think that this bike is going to be phenominal to ride on both on road and track.

I can't wait to get my hands on one, even though I know I won't be the next WSB champ. But I believe you can get alot more out of riding one of these than the litre bikes, consequently making it a more satisfying experience. IMHO.

The point of this thread is not whinging about losing 6bhp or so and some ft/lb of torque and weight issuses, that I, or probablly most of us,carn't use,thats' a separate thread for the alpha-males to pontificate about.

The simple fact is, Ducati's own website has discrepencies that can be mis-construde by people to attain sales.Only exacebated by the media,who naturaly want sensational headlines.

The actual facts are not clear or at best,a little ambiguous.

It's actually Ducati being a victim of their own honesty IMO.

They always used to quote wet weight figures and rear wheel horsepower numbers and this lost them lots of sales to the IL4 brigade because their bikes were lighter and more powerful.

Ducati have finally decided to fall into line so as not to damage their sales as much, and quote the dry weight and crank HP. Even though it says HP - it can still be measured in different ways and the only way you will know is if it describes which one it does. There's a difference.

So no, I don't think Ducati are trying ti deceive anyone. They are simply trying to align their specs with the figures quoted by their rivals so as not to keep losing sales over it.

A move that I applaud. If Ducati sell more bikes and have a healthy business then we have a marquee that continues and everyone wins in the long run.

Great post Mister!

Personally I ride a torque curve and Ducati pruduce bikes with great torque curves.

My wee 800cc S2R has a steady 40lbft almost across the whole rev range and its beautiful to ride. My 749 rises from 40-62 ish lbft and its great too. Plenty fast for the road.

No point in having a high peak figure if not a lot happens on the way up there, only to get to the peak figure and have to change gear. Just garbage IMHO. Seem to remember one of the bike mags "detuning" an R6 to give less peak power and more midrange and everyone who rode it preferred it. The numbers game is for fools:D .

Hope the new bike is a success, it looks good, though I still prefer the 2004 999/749 models for looks.

Is that all? That's a bit weedy. My 800ss road bike is producing 55-57lb-ft on two different dynos. Same engine albeit tweaked.

Maybe thats all that 749er needs for the road!

Maybe he can exploit all that power....after all,as you said "is it that important"!

So BHP stands for brouchure horse power then.....................

its about 55lbft peak at the crank, but is above 40lbft through pretty much the whole rev range

sounds like a challenge:D but we all know its the rider not the bike.

I know quite a few people on here who would sprint away from me on a 620 regardless of what I was on

Now that is odd - mine is giving the 55+ calculated at the rear wheel. Interesting nonetheless.

2 cylinders are all you need but 3 is an excellent compromise
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You're welcome to try ;)

2 cylinders are all you need but 3 is an excellent compromise
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Oh put your ego away for a second Nige! Derek (749er) was saying that he knows that some DD racers would leave him behind WITH THE DD RACERS on a 620 and him on the 749. He wasn't saying he'd beat you!

Behave ffs Tony and get a sense of humour. U did notice the "highly important" smiley, didn't you? :rolleyes: <<<<irony smiley if you didn't spot it.

WTF? Jesus ... sorry! :rolleyes:

Shooting from the hip eh TP?-a habit I suffer from as well sometimes......:lol:

John

150 or 160hp? IL4 or L2 ?

I am fortunate to have both and like soccer and rugby I love them both.

The Ducati has definitely the better long term, more fulfilling experience.
But on some days I do like to have the top end rush of my Gixxer 1000, it's a different thrill and I feel it keeps me on my toes as you need completely different riding styles and techniques.

The handling "style" of the Gixxer and japanese development philosophy requires it to have 160hp as the suspension is less sophisticated (as standard) and it feels more at home hard on the gas.

I spent a lot of money to see if you could in some way replicate the Ducati experience with expensive components (wheels, shocks, brakes etc) but it becomes a sharper tool but not a rewarding experience. Very fast mind you !

1098 does it for me now, red or tricolore - tricolore I think : )

PS Am I rambling ?

No I wasn't actually, but not worth having an argument over ....