Photos of Fogarty 1993 WSB 888 wanted
 

Greetings,
I am new to this forum, and would like to introduce myself. My name is Brian Brown, and I live out here in sunny Berkeley, California. I am lucky enough to own one of the two factory 888's that Carl Fogarty rode during the 1993 WSB season.

I am trying to restore the 888 to it's original appearance from the 1993 season, but have been having a difficult time locating photos of the bike. There are some ok photos in Paolo Conti's Superbike book, and in the December 1993 issue of Performance Bikes, but none show a good side shot showing all of the sponsorship stickers on the fairings.

I figured that some of you on the forum might have actually been at Brands or Donnington for the 1993 WSB race and would have photographed the bike at that time. It would be fantastic if you could post the photos or email them to me.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

Below is a short history of the bike, and I have tried to attach a photo of the bike as it appears today (The quiz for today "Who is standing next to the bike")

1993 Ducati Factory 888/926 Corsa
Chassis #ZDM888S 002146

This Ducati was one of two bikes ridden by Carl Fogarty during the 1993 World Superbike season. Bike 1 (chassis #ZDM888S 0002178 ) and Bike 2 (chassis#ZDM888S 002146) were each used about 50% of the time. They were set up identically during the race weekend, so if there was a problem with one bike, the other was ready to race.
The bikes were identified by a small Roman numeral at the left lower corner of the number plates, or by a red number on the front of the instrument cluster housing and triple clamp. Bike I is believed to have been dismantled for parts.

For the 1993 WSB season the 888 engine was bored out 2mm, for a total displacement of 926cc. This combination was nicknamed "il pompone" or Big Pump. The team received only one new engine each race weekend, so each bike got a new engine every other race weekend.

Carl Fogarty won 11 races during the '93 season, including 4 doubles and six pole positions. But it was not enough to beat Kawasaki's Scott Russell for the championship. Russell's 5 wins and 12 second places earned him the number one plate; Fogarty had to settle for number two. He would have to wait one year to become champion.

The race history of Chassis #ZDM888S 002146 for the 1993 World Superbike season is as follows:

Round One: Brands Hatch, Race One: DNF (crash)
Round Three: Albecete, Race Two: 1st place
Round Four: Misano, Race Two: 3rd place
Round Six: Brno, Race Two: 2nd place
Round Ten: Assen, Race One: 1st place, Race Two: 1st place
Round Eleven: Monza, Race One: 4th place
Round Twelve: Donington, Race One: 2nd place, Race Two: DNF (crash)
Round Thirteen: Estoril, Race One: DNF (crash)




After the 1993 WSB season Chassis #ZDM888S 002146 was returned to the Ducati factory. It was updated and brought to the USA to be used by Pascal Piccotte, riding for the Fast by Ferracci team during the 1994 AMA Superbike season. Eraldo Ferracci pulled a slick maneuver by homologating a 955cc engine kit for the 888 chassis, which included a new crank, pistons, cylinders and rods plus a new VIN sticker for the frame that the AMA recognized (Ducati Racing '94 AMA 002377, see the right frame tube below the fuel tank). The Muzzy Kawasaki team was outraged and filed a protest, claiming that the kit was not a new motorcycle, but the AMA appeals board denied the protest. The FbF Ducatis dominated the '94 season so much so, that halfway through the season the AMA raised the minimum weight limit for twin cylinder motorcycles by 20 pounds to 355 pounds, the same as the four cylinder superbikes. This prompted the creation of the "We don't need no stinking weight limits " T-shirt. The FbF team changed the front axle from titanium to steel, filled the swingarm pivot shaft with lead, installed a dummy starter motor and installed a large lead filled steel pipe in the space between the cylinders. Surprisingly the weight changes actually made the bike handle better, fixing a front-end push that the team had been chasing all year.
FbF racer Troy Corser won the 1994 AMA Superbike championship and FbF teammate Pascal Picotte finished 4th in points, scoring his only two AMA Superbike victories at Laguna Seca and Road America.

Chassis # ZDM888S 002146 was Picotte's #1 bike. It may be the only intact bike remaining from the 1994 FbF team, as at least two of the team's other bikes were dismantled for parts. The race history for the 1994 AMA Superbike season is as follows:

Daytona Beach, FL: Arai Twin 50 heat race: 1st place. Daytona 200: Pole position/lap record, 11th place (chain came off)
Phoenix, AZ: DNF (Mechanical)
Pomona, CA: 5th place
Monterey, CA: Pole position, 1st place
Elkhart Lake, WI: Pole position/lap record, 1st place
Loudon, NH: 8th place
Lexington, OH: 24th place DNF (Mechanical)
Brainerd, MN: 6th place
Sonoma, CA: 2nd place
Atlanta, GA: 2nd place


The bike was then sold to the Cal-Pacifico race team to be raced by Jason Pridmore during the 1995 AMA Superbike season. Sadly, Jason broke his leg badly during in an off-season motocross accident and never got to ride the bike.

Two-time world champion Doug Polen borrowed the bike for the 1995 AMA Superbike race at Laguna Seca. He and his tuner Mike Velasco gambled on running a slick tire in wet and foggy conditions on Sunday, but it didn't pay off. The race was stopped due to fog. In the restarted race on Monday, Polen crossed the line 13th, but on aggregate time he finished 17tth overall. It would be his last race on the famed Ducati 888. Freddie Spencer would win that day on a FbF Ducati 916, his last ever AMA Superbike victory.

The bike was then sold to Jim Coda, an AFM racer. He raced it a couple of times at the club level, before retiring from motorcycle racing in order to pursue his passion of fly-fishing.

Nothing has been changed on the motorcycle since it was last raced in 1995.

Wow - nice history! By a crazy coincidence the sister bike to yours (Bike 1 chassis #ZDM888S 0002178) is pictured today in our weekly motorbike newspaper - "Motorcycle News" or "MCN". For those of you in the UK, it's on page 65 at the bottom. Seems like it wasn't stripped for parts after all, or it's been restored! It's going for auction this weekend and is expected to go for around £25,000.

There is a side-on photograph in the paper. I can't scan it in I'm afraid, but you can buy the PDF of the paper from MCN:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?pa...yclenews.esubs

Fantastic read and interesting to see the bike being restored to its former glory.

I love a good challenge but this seems to be one too far for me - there is a chance I might have a Black and white piccy in an old mag but it would be well buried in the loft!!!

Interestingly however, a web search turned up that another of the 1993 888's shared by Foggy and Doug Polen is about to be sold at auction this month in the UK.

Photos can be requested so perhaps you might be in luck if the bike is unaltered.

Weblink to auction site:

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/publi...eadlineno=1148

Good luck

Frank

ps - I think its Mike Myers stood next to the bike :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Thats Slick Bass isnt it ?? (been at the doughnuts again !!).

You lucky, lucky, man BTW !!! :D Ive trawled my 888 archives and I can only find a couple of poor black & white shots im afraid.

Our Sparkin should be along shortly, he has researched some pics as hes had his bike painted up in WSB colours...hopefully he can help !!

Nat

[Edited on 20-4-2005 by Nattyboy]

Maybe worth contacting Ducati themselves? They maybe able to help you out. I've heard they are helpful with such machines.

By the way, jealous is not even close!

Oh yes,I`m here,what a great read,I am green with envy my friend.I`ve got the Conti book too,but no pictures myself apart from the one below.I`m hoping KeefyB might possibly have some in his massive collection.I have a higher res picture if you wanted it emailed.



Resisting the temptation to put another picture of mine up:saint:

don't resist sparkin, If i like it, i might put it on the hompage for you!

Tell you what, you don't hang about Sparkin! :lol:

It has been said:lol::lol:not

Ok,here goes.
Here's Foggy entering the pits after saturday qualifiying.

Slick wheeling the bike into the garage.

Deep in conversation with Raymond Roche.

And lastly,here is the man himself!

I knew we could count on you Keefy;)

Respec' is due KeefyB!! ...methinks youve made yourself a new american friend !!!

Oi..flanks..if Graham gets his 888 on the homepage I want mine on too....:mad::lol::lol:

Nat

And mine!!:D

:eureka:Need to find somewhere central me thinks for a mega photo shoot:smug:

Yeah that would be great to get some T8's on the homepage.
P.S,thanks for the comments on the pics.
I guess Ive been lucky to have been around Dukes and racing for a quite a while now.
Flicking through my photos I came across quite a few pics of 888 WSB/BSB race bikes.Mebbe I'll sort out the best ones.......:)

And some 851's!!!

Andrew

You guys rock!

Thanks KeffyB for the great photos.

Sparkin, could you email me a higher resolution copy of the image that you posted, my email is bbrown291@comcast.net

I saw the press release for the Foggy 888 that Bonhams is auctioning, in which they initially claimed it to be a works bike (which it isn't). In 1993 Foggy rode for the factory Ducati team and was supplied with two works bikes.
He also rode a privateer customer 888 Corsa for the UK importer (Moto Cinelli) at the Northwest 200 (which he won) and at non-conflicting British superbike races (Super HEAT).
The bike that they are auctioning is the Moto Cinelli bike.

All four of the 1993 Works team bikes (Fogarty's and Fallapa's) came to the USA for the 1994 AMA Superbike season. At least two of them were later dismantled for parts. Another US 888 enthusiast purchased a Ex-Fallapa/Ex-Corser bare frame from Ferracci (ZDM888S 0002179), and is now building a bike around it.

I hadn't thought about contacting Ducati for photographs, but the response from them was so lukewarm when I contacted them about trying to determine the history of the bike (Their response was "Yes Fogarty rode this bike"). But other than the one email, I could never get them to send any kind of letter of authenticity.

Congratulations Nattyboy, You are the winner.
That is Slick Bass, although with a few more pounds. He was tuning for the HMC Ducati team in the US during the 2001 AMA Superbike season. I brought my bike to the track (Sear Point) on the Thursday before the race to have him look at it. He confirmed that it was Foggy's 1993 WSB ride. He still has all of the race notes from the 1993 season, and over the phone he told me the race history of my bike.

Thanks again!
Brian

Get a decent picture done, and it will be considered.... Like anyones pictures they send in. Don't forget to get Rob's bike in as well.

I forgot to mention that there wont be many pics of Foggy at Brands Hatch '93.He crashed very early in race one and took no further part in the meeting.I did manage to take a pic through the fence in the morning warm up session.
There is a few good action pics in the book "Foggy the championship years".Its a coffee table style book,but worth it for the unusual pics.

KeefyB,
Thanks for the heads up on "Fogarty the championship years", I just ordered it. On the book site is was open to a page with a picture of Fogarty and bike flying through the air sideways at Estoril (why did he always have to crash on my bike), so I had to have it.

When he crashed at Brands Hatch in the wet (on my bike again), he lowsided and then hit the bike after it stopped, Ouch! I can understand why he passed on race two.

Brian

Two fantastic wins for Fallappa tho.
Mega stand up wheelies in the rain.:o:o:o

What you,or Fallappa:lol::lol:

[Edited on 21-4-2005 by sparkin]

I have to say this"THIS IS THE BEST THREAD ON THE BOARD AT THE MOMENT,PERIOD!" imho:D

Quality thread.
that has to be such a wonderful thing to own,
hope im fortunate enough to own a piece of history one day.
Keefy wicked pics
keep up the top work DSC

Was going to suggest this myself, if not the Ducati Racing History (2004 ed) which may have some in there.

http://tinyurl.com/3mq5t

I've got this at home so can check and scan any relevant pics for you.

I'm also lucky enough to have a signed copy of the Championship Years :D

If you've not seen it, it's there now.

No mate,that was Giancarlo!:DI was just standing in the rain!
All this nostalgia led me to dig out the programmes for the meetings.The Brands one is nothing special with a pic of Pirovano on the cover.The Donny one is better with a pic of the Fogmeister on the 888.And yes that is his autograph!:D

that's how much they should cost now
:D

Anyone into Dukes, this is a must. Damn good read, loads of info and fantastic pictures.

Pah - he's rubbish, couldn't even get his knee down!

:frog:

Brian,
I dont know how true to life this is, but I have a limited edition signed print of fogarty on the 888 in the north west 200.
Couple of pictures of the picture attached.
Best of luck with your searching.
Alan

Laurel print from the frame

Blurb

Whole picture

Side panel

Nice print that.I have an A4 sized copy hanging on my wall.
Shame its not the WSB bike tho.Its the NW200/BSB bike that is up for auction at the mo.

He's the king.

L/H picture of decals with knee down and looking in rear view mirror :D