Looking for a 996 SPS
 

Hi guys, I'm new to the forum and have never owned a Ducati before so am looking for some guidance and help here.

I've been racing a Yamaha R6 for the last 4 years and next year have set my heart on racing a Ducati 996, I am looking at the SPS because the R is too dam expensive and the S or BIP isnt as race orientated as the SPS or R?

So first question I guess is would you agree.

The 998 is out as it's too new, I want to race in the Golden Era Superbikes with Thundersport, but the 916 could be in if it produces enough ponies?

What are your thoughts, where do I buy one and if I get one what are the essential mods?

Appreciate your feedback , :confused:

I raced my 996 in Supercup this year with Hottrax. I also intend to race it in Golden era next year.

My 996 is standard apart from full SPS exhaust sytem, chip and power commander. It makes around 114bhp. Now I'm sure the SPS can make more than that but you are probably gonna pay big bucks for the bike. I intend to refresh the motor over winter and have the fueling set up properly and maybe gain a tad more power. It pains me to say it but pounds for horse power then buy a Mille :(
Personally I wouldn't swap. I love the 996 and in the right hands can be competative against the Aprilia.

Just looked on the bay and the cheapest SPS is over 8K :o If you have the cash then go for it but I reckon a good 996 can be had for 3K+ :D
Otei, one of the forum users was selling his a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/sh...d.php?t=152095

On the plus side all bets were off when it rained. :)

Could you use a 748 Chassis with a 998 engine in it such as my Hybrid, the 2003 999 engines can be picked up for a good price and if you start with a full 748 you have an engie to sell

Hows that work Kev? 2000 or older for Golden Era

Standard sps motor will give you more, should be good for 130 with little work and some are seeing 145 plus with lots of work! but not sure of all the rules re models and BHP limits.

Now now Paul you know how I feel about BHP. :lol:

There you go.


Golden Era Superbikes (2012)
1. ELIGIBLE MACHINES
In principle, all 4-stroke machines of the following ages are eligible:-
4 cylinder machines up to 750cc built before 1st January 2000
3 cylinder machines up to 950cc built before 1st January 2000
2 cylinder machines up to 1010cc built before 1st January 2000
Plus the following models that were basically unchanged from that period until they ceased
production:-
Kawasaki ZX7R and RR up to 2003
Aprilia RSV Mille & Mille R up to 2003 (not later model RSV 1000 with central air intake)
Suzuki TL1000S & TL1000R up to 2003
Triumph T595 up to 2001
MV Augusta F4 750 Oro & S models to 2002
Honda RC51 (SP1 & SP2)
Ducati 916 – 996 (not 998 models)
Yamaha OWO1 (to 861cc)
Yamaha YZF 750 (all models)
Yamaha R7 (750cc only no conversions)
“Specials” from in period accepted on a case by case specific basis.
All motorcycles must comply in every respect with all requirements for Road Racing as specified
in the ACU regulations.
2. DISPLACEMENT CAPACITY
The displacement must remain within 15cc of the original design for the engine concerned
allowing for rebore repairs. Four cylinder machines built before 1st January 1995 may be
overbored to a maximum of 861cc and the smaller capacity twins & triples from the same period
may be updated with the later parts to bring the capacity up to the class limits. Machines built after
1st January 1995 may not exceed the cc limits as listed above for the relevant year of
manufacture.

Neil is quick on his 996, even with his 114bhp he ran at the front of the Hottrax Classic Superbike series. A bog standard 996 motor well ridden should see you there or there abouts. No need to spend big bucks on the motor, just gently get the chassis side to what you like. Setup and skill more important than power.

specials accepted on a case by case basis - I'd be asking teh question before I shelled out my hard earned

BTW my 848 EVO set up by CJS last week...result....139bhp ;)

I maybe a special case, or is that a sad case?

Btw, I was just trying to speak to Dave Stewart at Thundersport...........and there was someone on the other line (I could hear a bit) asking was a 996 eligible for golden ere .................... so a least one out there next year.

Neil that's why my post starts with the word COULD as I hadn't read the Golden Era rules

But from what you say it rules out any 998 so why is a 998 considered in the first place, I have a 2002 998 and there aren't any older than that


Now that you have posted the bikes allowed it seems Crazy to me that RSVs and TL1000s are allowed but not a 998

You know I can't read properly. :lol:

and your right the parameters for what qualifies does seem a little odd.

That's another reason why C1 or similar would work if more people entered.

1C rules were written to run along side Superbike and Supercup. or should I say fit in between. Not written to compete against those classes for the bikes but to offer a class where as with most Ducatis, they are a bit more than standard road bikes but not full on Superbikes

As I see it my 1000SS could run in Supercup
my 996 with a few minor changes (ie remove a couple of the trick bits) could run in Class 1C and my 955 Corse could run in Superbike.

Neil what changes would you like to see to Class 1C rules if any
i'm thinking Possibly allow Open choice of wheels providing they remain 17"

I don't think anything needs changing Kev, just more interest generating. The reason I am going to TSGB next year is that GESB has it's own grid and you get 4 races over the weekend.

Just a horsepower limit of 140rwbhp......................

That then envolves tuned 4v Water-cooled engines which is catered for by the Superbike class and would really move the goal posts away from anyone wanting to run a Air-Cooled 900 or 1000.

I've seen quite a few less than 120 rwbhp Ducatis doing trackdays, with all sorts of goodies bolted on to improve the handling and thats where Class 1C is aimed

Also has the likes of Lee Revely on his RSV and probably Chris Norris on his RSV, going to be hard (and probably expensive) for a standard 996Bip to compete against them, I watched Lee Win the SoT race at Castle Combe a few weeks back beating Paul Willis on his RC8, 10 years ago I was watching Paul's son James win races on his RSV, the only bike that really had the beating of James was Phil Bevan's Ex INS BSB 996RS

Lee's is only putting around 125bhp, so not to far of a decent 996. I think Pieman will have a good look in there.

does seem a little mad that you can fit radial calipers in A DD but cant have similar set up in 1C when you have twice the power. Stick a 140 limit on it and my little 848 could join ;)

I didn't realise 848s were 10 years old and i can't recall Ducati fitting Radial brakes to production based bikes in 2002.
Maybe my memory is going

missing the point Kev...being over 50 deosnt mean you become quite so forgetful yet :0

DD rules have moved on to accomodate enhancements so why limit 1C to its original format? And equally why limit the production, if its a change to the overall limit to increase the class to more than an average of 1 per race, and with Craig not racing how many next year..1? 2? Be nice to get half that grid as C1 and expand the club even further :)

Maybe? However, at Cadwell I beat Chris on his RSV in the dry, I beat Mark Dickens 125BHP R6 and Dean Skippers 140BHP Gixer ok both in the wet and Lee Revely's lap record at Cadwell is 1.38'12 an I managed 1.38'40 this year on a worn turned set of tyres. So we will have to see. ;)

Gonna be good racing. :D

Me and Dean will get front row views of your challenge, well for the 1st lap anyway.