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Monty
03-Feb-2005, 16:40
Just had a long conversation with Mark from Holbeach Tyres-he is the guy who will be supporting the series as far as tyres goes as he attends ALL New Era races, as well as WSB, BSB, MRO etc etc. Really nice guy and what he doesn't know about tyres and racing isn't worth knowing.
He can supply and fit any make of tyre-however he would recommend Bridgestone BT090's for our series as they are a tyre developed especially for lighter lower powered bikes.

Anyway if you have any questions for him post them here and he will try to help, or contact him direct on:
01406 426489 or 07733 324640.

John

dickieducati
03-Feb-2005, 16:43
i'll be crap unless im on pirelli's.............


actually i meant to say just........... i'll be crap!

TP
03-Feb-2005, 16:43
Is this a ruling?

dickieducati
03-Feb-2005, 16:46
yep, i'm definitely crap!

TP
03-Feb-2005, 16:50
You're definitely a clown!

multi600
03-Feb-2005, 16:55
BT 090's are fantastic tyres I used them on my RS250 I would be more than happy to go with them.

ali
03-Feb-2005, 16:57
Can we assume that negotiations with a tyre manufacturer have fallen through then??
:puzzled:

uncledunnie
03-Feb-2005, 17:29
If you ask me, this looks like a rather round-about way of saying BT 090's are at the top of the control tyre list and the water is being tested....

:ninja::ninja:

TP
03-Feb-2005, 17:31
Without pouring fuel on the fire gents, can we have some sort of definitive ruling on this?

dickieducati
03-Feb-2005, 17:42
yes, would be good to know what we are on, as lots of people are now starting to test and get used to their bikes.

is the intention to decide once and for all at the AGM ??

fil2
03-Feb-2005, 18:00
..?????????

I was under the impression another tyre was the choice..i have and other due riders purchased these tyres as we need em for trackdays impending..????????

NBs996
03-Feb-2005, 18:07
Phil, where's you seen this other choice?
My latest paperowrk says something like there's negotiations with Pirelli, but nothing decided.

The way I read Monty's cryptic little note is that tyres are gonna be open season on anything road legal!

Don't matter to me anyway, my ride is still being developed and they were a little busy at Ducati Corse today. I'll chase them up tomorrow.

fil2
03-Feb-2005, 18:15
its a question that only the Race committe can answer i guess....

it matters to me not..just would like to know asap.

to late for me to take back what i just ordered ! ho hum.

Phil.

AK
03-Feb-2005, 18:17
AK has run the NC30 on these at Rocky last Sept - and he thought they were good little tyres:)

fil2
03-Feb-2005, 18:30
Originally posted by CK and AK
AK has run the NC30 on these at Rocky last Sept - and he thought they were good little tyres:)

They are very good but are very soft and last about 1500 miles on the road if you are lucky.

Phil

Monty
03-Feb-2005, 18:31
Have you ever regretted you have posted something??:(
All this was is a posting to say if you have any tyre questions-ask Mark.
He knows about the series and in his professional opinion we should seriously consider the BT090 for the reasons stated.
This is NOT a ruling there has been NO decision yet, but I do think there will be a decision made after the AGM during the DesmoDue meeting to be held there. I won't be there as I will be sunning myself in the Indian Ocean-so you will have to make your minds up without me.
I have just checked all of the tyre manufacturers websites and the only ones available that are specifically aimed at lower powered lightweight bikes on track are the 090's-it won't make any odds to me which way we go as I'm not riding-anyway what do I know-I still run my ST4S on Pilot Sports............:lol:

John

domski
03-Feb-2005, 19:26
How about having an open choice on tyres?

It's like some people have Arai heads, and some Shoei or whatever. It;s the same with tyres. Some like Michelins and feel comfortable on them, some like Pirelli etc etc

I know the reasoning behind the suggested one-make tyre, and it's very good in principle and does work.

I know the 090's are good tyres, I've raced on them, but they're not too hot in the rain. I think I'm right in saying the tread on the rear tyre doesn't go to the edge and once you're over so far you're on slick rubber.

On the CB500's they were great for about 30 laps, and after that they got a bit slippery when pushed, so you'd be looking at more tyres to last the 11/12 races.

Something like the Diablo Corsa or Dunlop D208 or Michelin Pilot will last longer and give grip for longer, in my opinion and experience.

Any tyre rule anyone?

Tonio600
04-Feb-2005, 00:25
Whatever the tyre, my pleasure to (try to) race will be the same :lol:

Pirelli Dragon GTS pooooowwwaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol::lol:

antonye
04-Feb-2005, 00:34
Originally posted by domskidue
How about having an open choice on tyres?
Any tyre rule anyone?

There is already a vote out to all participants putting forward all the options.

domski
04-Feb-2005, 08:08
There is already a vote out to all participants putting forward all the options.

It's not quite the same vote though is it.

It would still mean a single make tyre.

I'm not against a single make tyre at all, just wondering if we all need a control tyre?

I think people seemed to think it was a better idea when other tyres were mentioned, but the B'stone 090 maybe puts a different slant on the idea.

I dunno. I've just woken up, so who knows!

antonye
04-Feb-2005, 10:04
Originally posted by domskidue
It's not quite the same vote though is it.


As far as I can see it was - the options were to run with "a single control tyre and no warmers" or "free tyres with warmers, etc.".

fil2
04-Feb-2005, 10:13
Originally posted by antonye
Originally posted by domskidue
It's not quite the same vote though is it.


As far as I can see it was - the options were to run with "a single control tyre and no warmers" or "free tyres with warmers, etc.".

Yes it was and im happy with a controlled tyre THAT we all use......if we start opening up the rules too much i believe its going to get out of control.

uncledunnie
04-Feb-2005, 10:47
The way I understand is,

all entrants have recently voted privately on the subject of single control tyre vs free.

the votes have been counted and we WILL be using a single control tyre without warmers.

All we need to do at the AGM is agree what the control tyre will be.

There are only a few suitable tyres that meet our requirements, ie cater for wet/damp conditions and are available in a range of sizes to fit all elligable bikes.

Two of these are:-

Pirelli Diablo's (not corsa)
and
Bridgestone BT090's

I guess what Monty was saying is, if you don't know what tyre to vote for, talk to Mark from Holbeach Tyres since he knows what he's talking about.

I would suggest that if concensus of opion can be brought closer together between now and the AGM on this particular point it will make for a far more productive afternoon on the 12th.

[Edited on 4-2-2005 by uncledunnie]

antonye
04-Feb-2005, 11:09
I wasn't aware that everyone had been officially told which way the voting went - I certainly haven't been informed by a member of the Desmo Due team that this was the case.

But yes, you're right - thinking about which tyre to go for now will certainly save a load of waffle next saturday!

NBs996
04-Feb-2005, 14:35
Is dunnie getting some inside info here!! :o

If we're to be voting on which tyre then i reckon i'll go along with marks suggestion of the 090's cos i know sweet f.a. about what will be best!

[Edited on 4-2-2005 by NBs996]

Rattler
04-Feb-2005, 14:47
I just need to know which ones we're having, then get some, fit 'em and race on 'em.

Lovely!!!

antonye
04-Feb-2005, 15:37
I know it was suggested a while back that going for a road-legal moulded tread tyre of your choice - is there any mileage in having a quick straw poll of all entrants and seeing what their choice is? It might make it easier to narrow it down to an "authorised" list or something?

boggy 8
05-Feb-2005, 20:12
If we decide to go for one make of tyre will the manufacture be offering prizes for 1st 2nd and 3rd ? ie front and rear for 1st, rear for 2nd and front for 3rd . Bare in mind that they will probably sell 30 sets of tyres per meeting.

Rattler
05-Feb-2005, 21:39
Originally posted by boggy 8
If we decide to go for one make of tyre will the manufacture be offering prizes for 1st 2nd and 3rd ? ie front and rear for 1st, rear for 2nd and front for 3rd . Bare in mind that they will probably sell 30 sets of tyres per meeting.

Boggy 8 - glad to know you're signed up, tell us what you're running and your plans.

Tim:frog:

dickieducati
06-Feb-2005, 00:04
Originally posted by boggy 8
If we decide to go for one make of tyre will the manufacture be offering prizes for 1st 2nd and 3rd ? ie front and rear for 1st, rear for 2nd and front for 3rd . Bare in mind that they will probably sell 30 sets of tyres per meeting.

somehow i dont think we'll be getting through a set of tyres per meeting

Mark - H M Tyres
07-Feb-2005, 23:24
Hi everyone its Mark Wright of Holbeach Motorcycle Tyres here !

As you know I have spoken to John regarding the DesmoDue Racing. I will be attending all of the New Era Meetings and will be able to assist you in any of your tyre requirements including advice and help.

The controlled tyre is a good idea for the following reasons:

* Level playing field.
* Same price for all riders.
* Competitive racing.
* Prize fund / awards - dependant of manufacturer !

It is important to choose the right controlled tyre as I understand you will not be using wets or tyre warmers.

The races will be between 6-8 laps this requires a tyre that warms up quickly without the need for tyre warmers. The tyre needs to have tread to the edge to enable it to work in the wet safely.

Bridgestone BT090 PRO has been talked about as a possibility for the controlled tyre. This is a H rated tyre that will suit the bikes you will be racing. The tyre will warm up quickly without the use of tyre warmers, give excellent grip and disperse water when needed.

This tyre is currently being used as the controlled tyre for the CB500 class which has been a great success.

Should you have any queries please give me a call on 01406 426489 / 07733 324640 or reply to this message board.

Mark.

NBs996
07-Feb-2005, 23:32
thanks for that mark, appreciate your input, as i'm sure the rest of us nutters do.

I was hoping that if a single control tyre was used then it'd be the 090. What's your thoughts on the sort of lifespan the Bridgestones would offer? I was thinking 2 sets might last the season??

antonye
08-Feb-2005, 11:44
Nick, don't forget we're doing a 30-40 minute time trial at snetterton, so chances are that will finish off a pair of hoops by itself. I reckon 3 pairs would be a good budget number to go for.

dickieducati
08-Feb-2005, 12:00
christ!, you must push tyres alot harder than me, i can easily get 4 trackdays out of a set including all the road stuff in between!

NBs996
08-Feb-2005, 12:03
Forgot about Snet.
Hopefully maximum of 3 sets... 090 Pro are circa£140 a pair from what i've found on my brief web search. Where's Iconic-webmasterdude when we want him!

Anyway, I like your idea put forward yesterday Ant, but that's for discussion at the meeting rather than an arguement on here I think!

[Edited on 8-2-2005 by NBs996]

ChrisBushell
08-Feb-2005, 12:06
Boys,

Hold your horses on this one, we have a meeting on tyres this afternoon, more news on Saturday

NBs996
08-Feb-2005, 12:09
Don't panic chris, just chatting!!

fil2
08-Feb-2005, 12:10
Originally posted by NBs996
Forgot about Snet.
Hopefully maximum of 3 sets... 090 Pro are circa£140 a pair from what i've found on my brief web search. Where's Iconic-webmasterdude when we want him!

Anyway, I like your idea put forward yesterday Ant, but that's for discussion at the meeting rather than an arguement on here I think!

[Edited on 8-2-2005 by NBs996]

I could not find the Pro listed on bridgestone website

chicken
08-Feb-2005, 12:17
I've nominated TP to be my proxy at the AGM as I won't be able to make it.

However, if he votes for some kind of courier-special then I'm revoking his privileges!

I think it's clear that we are going down the control tyre route and I'm happy to go with whatever the majority chooses. I can't think of anytime I have ever looked at the tyres on a bike before ****ting it down the road and thinking "ooer, I'd better take it easy"....

dickieducati
08-Feb-2005, 12:19
Originally posted by chicken
I can't think of anytime I have ever looked at the tyres on a bike before ****ting it down the road and thinking "ooer, I'd better take it easy"....

you had better start then!

fil2
08-Feb-2005, 12:20
Well i got me some diablos for testin at cads this weekend......i needed something and the word was just a maybe it would be p******...

so will feedback on monday......

Phil.

dickieducati
08-Feb-2005, 12:25
a shrewd choice.......i hope! ;)

fil2
08-Feb-2005, 16:17
Originally posted by dickieducati
a shrewd choice.......i hope! ;)


time will tell if not i guess i buy another set ....:ninja:

uncledunnie
08-Feb-2005, 17:13
"I could not find the Pro listed on bridgestone website"

I did a search earlier on the Bridgestone website earlier, the product is the there - but in French !!

The gist seems to be they are produced for the super moto brigade, but some of the sizes will suit us.

"Well i got me some diablos for testin at cads this weekend......i needed something and the word was just a maybe it would be p******..."

Diablo's came fitted to my Monster, mmm....

First time out, new tyres, rear slid out on a roundabout at sensible speeds.

Second time out, ditto.

Neither were dangerous and it felt "controlled"

Now I know they were new, I know I wasn't putting lots of heat into them and I know it was cold, but I was surprised.

I may be wrong but I think Diablo's take a while to warm up/scrub in and if they do then surely thats not what we need, even if they are great once warmed up?

TP
08-Feb-2005, 17:17
I've only ridden my monster a few times now and they have pretty new Diablo's on. They felt a little slippy but I don't think they have a chance to warm up.

Might speak to Mark Wright about them, get more of an idea about them.

fil2
08-Feb-2005, 17:18
Originally posted by uncledunnie
"I could not find the Pro listed on bridgestone website"

I did a search earlier on the Bridgestone website earlier, the product is the there - but in French !!

The gist seems to be they are produced for the super moto brigade, but some of the sizes will suit us.

"Well i got me some diablos for testin at cads this weekend......i needed something and the word was just a maybe it would be p******..."

Diablo's came fitted to my Monster, mmm....

First time out, new tyres, rear slid out on a roundabout at sensible speeds.

Second time out, ditto.

Neither were dangerous and it felt "controlled"

Now I know they were new, I know I wasn't putting lots of heat into them and I know it was cold, but I was surprised.

I may be wrong but I think Diablo's take a while to warm up/scrub in and if they do then surely thats not what we need, even if they are great once warmed up?

Great thats instilled alot of confidence for me this sat....:(


Phil

Rattler
08-Feb-2005, 17:24
Originally posted by fil2
Originally posted by uncledunnie
"I could not find the Pro listed on bridgestone website"

I did a search earlier on the Bridgestone website earlier, the product is the there - but in French !!

The gist seems to be they are produced for the super moto brigade, but some of the sizes will suit us.

"Well i got me some diablos for testin at cads this weekend......i needed something and the word was just a maybe it would be p******..."

Diablo's came fitted to my Monster, mmm....

First time out, new tyres, rear slid out on a roundabout at sensible speeds.

Second time out, ditto.

Neither were dangerous and it felt "controlled"

Now I know they were new, I know I wasn't putting lots of heat into them and I know it was cold, but I was surprised.

I may be wrong but I think Diablo's take a while to warm up/scrub in and if they do then surely thats not what we need, even if they are great once warmed up?

Great thats instilled alot of confidence for me this sat....:(


Phil


Fantastic, we're gonna be backing it in and powersliding out of corners whether we like it or not!!!

Tim:ninja:

uncledunnie
08-Feb-2005, 17:27
Phil,

I wasn't pushing it, acc or braking, you may well find that under those conditions they do warm up pretty well.

I know that if they were a new set I was testing I would be cleaning off the release agent before running them and probably giving them a good old scuff up aswell.

Would be nice to hear of your experiences after practicing in the right environment this weekend.

phoenix n max
08-Feb-2005, 17:28
On the other hand. I've used them since May last year and not had a problem.
Ok so not on the track - well actually yes on the track - they were fine no problem at all.
As for race conditions, if they are picked we'll all be in the same boat and finding out just how quickly they will warm up i guess.

uncledunnie
08-Feb-2005, 17:32
maybe we should of all bought Multistrada's and approached it as a super moto event

:eureka::eureka:

uncledunnie
08-Feb-2005, 17:38
"As for race conditions, if they are picked we'll all be in the same boat and finding out just how quickly they will warm up i guess."

Agreed, but if a tyre with equivalent levels of wet/dry grip is available that warms up quicker and achieves higher levels of grip sooner that will be my first choice.

ali
08-Feb-2005, 17:39
I went through a set last season on my 900 and (trying to be completely objective) they only let go unpredictably once (club corner - silverstone - damp).

At TA3 (rocky) they behaved very reasonably on a nightmare track, and I was able to lay down full power on about 50% of the corners, the only exceptions being the two corners everyone came off of.

In the dry they've been exceptional, probably more in terms of profile and stability rather than outright grip. The only time they've broken away was on a baking hot day Snetterton under heavy rear braking on the last lap of a hot session. I've watched plenty of folk bail on the first lap of TDs last year on a variety of tyres, but never felt like the next would be me!

I've never tried any bridgestones, but I have had Dunlops 207s and they didn't agree with me at all. I'll be up at Cadwell this weekend on new diablos as well so you should get plenty of feedback next week...

Cheers,

Ali

fil2
08-Feb-2005, 17:43
Originally posted by uncledunnie
Phil,

I wasn't pushing it, acc or braking, you may well find that under those conditions they do warm up pretty well.

I know that if they were a new set I was testing I would be cleaning off the release agent before running them and probably giving them a good old scuff up aswell.

Would be nice to hear of your experiences after practicing in the right environment this weekend.

I usaully run warmers on track days but will not this weekend to get a good idea of the tyre.............and i will deffo be scruffing em up a little b4 hand..

will let u know how i go

Phil

fil2
08-Feb-2005, 17:48
Originally posted by uncledunnie
"As for race conditions, if they are picked we'll all be in the same boat and finding out just how quickly they will warm up i guess."

Agreed, but if a tyre with equivalent levels of wet/dry grip is available that warms up quicker and achieves higher levels of grip sooner that will be my first choice.

And mine......

Phil

chicken
08-Feb-2005, 19:14
I'll be at the back, see what kind of angle everyone gets before it lets go and then adding 35 degrees to it :devil:

(yes, I know that means I''ll go straight ahead :lol:)

AK
08-Feb-2005, 20:03
Keeping fingers X'd here for 090's - held really well on mixed weather trackday - great in the wet, no probs either in dry.

Alan

footnote from C: maybe he wasnt going fast enough!!!:lol:

domski
08-Feb-2005, 20:27
Last season the CB500 guys got their 090's for £110 a pair I believe, so they are cheap.

My own personal opinion having raced on them for 16 rounds, approx 48 x 20 min sessions plus some testing, is that they are not very good in the wet. They are very good in the dry, but if you're running in the front 6 or so (depending on how far the top 6 are spread out of course) you'll be looking a set every meeting.

In 1998, when I were a lad, at Brands Hatch free practice, I used the same set from the previous round at Cadwell I think, anyway, they slid all over the place and I was 13th quickest. Queue a phone call to my sponsor, and a new set was purchased for qualifying... I knocked 3 seconds off my time and qualified 3rd, pretty much where I had done all year.

All I'm saying is, that the 090's will be great for most people, but not in the wet. And expensive if anyone actually wants to try and win the championship, as they go off quickly.

A CB500 makes only 50-52bhp.

A 675 Duke will make around 65-70bhp.

I know which will destroy a tyre quicker.

Just my tuppence, and for some racer experience on the tyre.

I also used them for a meeting in 2003, the new 090's, so it's not like you can say the 090's were different in 1998 and 1999. :saint:

Mark - H M Tyres
08-Feb-2005, 23:16
Iwould say you should get 2/3 meetings per set regardless of make .All tyres will go off as they go through heat cycles no matter what tread remains.
As racing in the wet is a concern is it agreed that you will not use wett tyres.I know this is another cost but it may save alot more expence from crash damage.A set could last all season.

ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE CALL ME O7733 324640 /01406 426489

Mark Wright Holbeach M/C Tyres

Rattler
08-Feb-2005, 23:20
Originally posted by Mark - H M Tyres
Iwould say you should get 2/3 meetings per set regardless of make .All tyres will go off as they go through heat cycles no matter what tread remains.
As racing in the wet is a concern is it agreed that you will not use wett tyres.I know this is another cost but it may save alot more expence from crash damage.A set could last all season.

ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE CALL ME O7733 324640 /01406 426489

Mark Wright Holbeach M/C Tyres

Yer but, no but, yer but - we're not gonna crash!!!!!:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled::puzzled::lol :

domski
08-Feb-2005, 23:29
I think (cue the cringing)...

Seeing as most of the entrants seem to be spending freely on their brand new bikes, Ohlins, big bores etc

What diff will it make to spend £200 on a set of wets, which, like Mark says, will last all year. (Something I agree with ;) )

Then we can use a proper sticky tyre in the dry.

Mark, can you change 30+ pairs of tyres in 10 mins? :o:o:D

domski
08-Feb-2005, 23:32
Can we use slicks?








I'll get me coat :bouncy:

GsxrAge
08-Feb-2005, 23:44
Not racing in desmodue but i run the diablo on the road never had a prob. had rear over to the side wall within 3 miles of fitting them.

Its the wrong time of year to gauge on the open road how they will perform salt/oil etc on the road not anything like track conditions.

All tyres are black and round the only limitations are in the riders head.


Age

Iconic944ss
08-Feb-2005, 23:51
I really wish I was the Iconic-webmeisterDude :)

nevermind...here is a worrying French translation on the BT090-Pro:

"BT-090 Pro The light motor bikes from 125 to 650 Cm3, in particular the supermotard, such are the applicability of the BT-090 Pro. Thanks to the application of new Bridgestone technologies, this last variation of the famous BT-96 seems predestined for the sporting courses. The ideal tire for the machines of supermotard! Adherence Stability Precision and handiness "a Little technique..." - the silica gum compound enriched maintains a very high level of grip and brings a rise in fast temperature. - the reduced number of bleedings on the shoulder grants a maximum of grip on dryness and a better control on the angle, and numbers it bleedings in the center of the tread grants more grip on wet ground. - the rigidity of the carcass of the tire increases the level of grip on the angle, improves control of the trajectory and reduces the shimmy (side vibrations) at the time of a road use".

also:

http://www.motorcycle-karttires.com/racing/bt090.asp

even I'm awaiting Chris's announcement with baited breath.........

Frank

skidlids
08-Feb-2005, 23:52
And that is one of the problems with using wets, ideally you need another set of wheels and better still discs also.
I for one haven't seen many wheels for sale lately for the bikes we will be riding let alone 30 pairs.
As Dominic points out there is going to be a fair amount of money spent by some bikes so then why worry about saving a few extra quid with a control tyre.
Still hopefully after Saturday we will be told what we are racing on.

Rattler
09-Feb-2005, 00:13
Originally posted by Iconic944ss
.......................Adherence Stability Precision and handiness "a Little technique"............

Frank

Fantastic!!!

Rattler
09-Feb-2005, 00:17
Originally posted by domskidue
...

Seeing as most of the entrants seem to be spending freely on their brand new bikes, Ohlins, big bores etc .........



Who's doing this then? I reckon people have either gone the way of buying a late (or new) bike and doing very few mods or older bikes and doing lots.

I'm not sure there are many who are buying late ones and then spending loads..... are there??????:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled: - I could be wrong though?

I'm still in favour of one tyre make only, like the sand paper - wet or dry!!!:lol:

ali
09-Feb-2005, 00:22
Spoke to a coup[le of breakers last week while trying to replace my dinged front wheel. Got quoted £140 for a s/h front without disc, for a wheel that is identical to the 750/900/etc. The rear is specific to the 600/750 at 4.5". 30 pairs......, 30 sets of discs...... :lol:

I'm absolutely sure it would be safer and much more fun to run wets, warmers and decent dry tyres, but I know I'm not the only one that is already feeling the pinch without the added expense.

Now watch me stuff it on the first wet day!!

Ali

AndyVR6
09-Feb-2005, 00:33
The KR364 has gotta be a better tyre for the full range of conditions on that weight/power of bike. Unfortunately you can't get much of a deal out of Dunlop so they'd work out something like double the £110 that was mentioned for BT90's.

Andy

ChrisBushell
09-Feb-2005, 08:59
Boys and Girls,

Might I suggest that it is time to stop the speculation and wait till the riders meeting on Saturday. We will clear up all of the outstanding points at that time, so that everyone can get on with being ready for the 1st race.

It is only about 10 weeks now till this all kicks off, not long.

Chris

fil2
09-Feb-2005, 09:03
Originally posted by ali
Spoke to a coup[le of breakers last week while trying to replace my dinged front wheel. Got quoted £140 for a s/h front without disc, for a wheel that is identical to the 750/900/etc. The rear is specific to the 600/750 at 4.5". 30 pairs......, 30 sets of discs...... :lol:

I'm absolutely sure it would be safer and much more fun to run wets, warmers and decent dry tyres, but I know I'm not the only one that is already feeling the pinch without the added expense.

Now watch me stuff it on the first wet day!!

Ali

Agreed.......i understood we voted for 1 controlled tyre .?

dickieducati
09-Feb-2005, 09:19
what this topic has really brought home to me about demsodue in particular and racing in general is how many different views there are out there about everything from tyres to gearing to bodywork etc.

i am new to this and quite frankly the more people i speak to the more baffled i get regarding pretty much all aspects of it.

i guess there is no right or wrong answer to most of it. it will just come down to everyones own personal riding style and individual set up of bikes etc.

i am sure that the podium places will be made up of varying bikes with varying set ups/gearing etc. as in all racing from motogp down.

for me, im just going to take as much info in as i can from all concerned, try and understand it all and then make my own mind up. i have loads to learn but i think i will be all the better for it come the end of season.

a year getting used to the bike/racing, ready for a serious assault in 2006?

i can but dream.

ChrisBushell
09-Feb-2005, 09:22
Steve,

We have been in direct contact with those people who are entered.

We are not going to be carrying out a public debate with people who have no involvement with the series. Additionally any announcements will be made direct to registered entrants, not via the message board.

Thus the meeting on Saturday is a closed one to entrants only and not a general discussion forum.

fil2
09-Feb-2005, 09:51
Originally posted by dickieducati
what this topic has really brought home to me about demsodue in particular and racing in general is how many different views there are out there about everything from tyres to gearing to bodywork etc.

i am new to this and quite frankly the more people i speak to the more baffled i get regarding pretty much all aspects of it.

i guess there is no right or wrong answer to most of it. it will just come down to everyones own personal riding style and individual set up of bikes etc.

i am sure that the podium places will be made up of varying bikes with varying set ups/gearing etc. as in all racing from motogp down.

for me, im just going to take as much info in as i can from all concerned, try and understand it all and then make my own mind up. i have loads to learn but i think i will be all the better for it come the end of season.

a year getting used to the bike/racing, ready for a serious assault in 2006?

i can but dream.

well put that man.....

:D

Never thought i would say that....LOL

Phil

phil_h
09-Feb-2005, 11:50
Seconded !
As someone who _wants_ to take part, but has just spent over 2k to upgrade just my 350 racer to get more fun this coming season ... I think that is exactly the right way to approach this series.
It should be a way of finding out about racing in as low-stress ;) a way as possible.
You can enter a different series next year if you want it to get complicated ;)

psychlist
09-Feb-2005, 15:52
Originally posted by ChrisBushell
Thus the meeting on Saturday is a closed one to entrants only and not a general discussion forum.

So why the secrecy? I've got no vested interest in the race series, other than having a few buddies racing, but I'd still like to consider myself as an interested party, I'm curious as to what goes into/makes up a racing season, but according to this directive I've got to pay up and be a racer to find out? Who's race series is this? I thought it was being run for the benefit of the club and all it's members, not just an elite few?

dickieducati
09-Feb-2005, 15:58
there's no elite few but i do think its fair enough if the racing comiitee want to tell the participants first and keep something off board for the time being. its done with other things such as trackday booking etc.

psychlist
09-Feb-2005, 16:11
No Dickie mate, I can easily understand not wanting to pre-empt the chance to get everyone together and tell them at the AGM. But why the point of making this meeting for "racers only" when some of us nosey parkers want to hear whats going on too? ;)

dickieducati
09-Feb-2005, 16:16
Originally posted by psychlist
But why the point of making this meeting for "racers only" when some of us nosey parkers want to hear whats going on too? ;)

as they say; the clue's in the question! ;)

Monty
09-Feb-2005, 16:16
Originally posted by psychlist
Originally posted by ChrisBushell
Thus the meeting on Saturday is a closed one to entrants only and not a general discussion forum.

So why the secrecy? I've got no vested interest in the race series, other than having a few buddies racing, but I'd still like to consider myself as an interested party, I'm curious as to what goes into/makes up a racing season, but according to this directive I've got to pay up and be a racer to find out? Who's race series is this? I thought it was being run for the benefit of the club and all it's members, not just an elite few?

What ever is decided will be decided by the people racing which is how it should be-if we throw everything open to the message board there will be 500 different opinions which will affect the 35 people racing-which isn't very democratic is it?
It is Wednesday Pm now, the issue will be decided by the people involved on Saturday which is only 3 days.
If I had been allowed I would have decided the issue 2 months ago myself-but then that wouldn't have been very democratic either would it...........:lol:

John

fil2
09-Feb-2005, 16:35
Originally posted by psychlist
Originally posted by ChrisBushell
Thus the meeting on Saturday is a closed one to entrants only and not a general discussion forum.

So why the secrecy? I've got no vested interest in the race series, other than having a few buddies racing, but I'd still like to consider myself as an interested party, I'm curious as to what goes into/makes up a racing season, but according to this directive I've got to pay up and be a racer to find out? Who's race series is this? I thought it was being run for the benefit of the club and all it's members, not just an elite few?

Elite on my budget and most in the series...PLEASE.........

Phil

phoenix n max
09-Feb-2005, 18:44
Originally posted by Monty
the 35 people racing-

:o oh blimey !

Rattler
09-Feb-2005, 21:15
Originally posted by weeksy
Originally posted by ChrisBushell
Steve,

We have been in direct contact with those people who are entered.

We are not going to be carrying out a public debate with people who have no involvement with the series. Additionally any announcements will be made direct to registered entrants, not via the message board.

Thus the meeting on Saturday is a closed one to entrants only and not a general discussion forum.

Get off the sanctamonious pedastle Chris..... whether you like it or not, people outside of the series have vested interests in the series, be that through friends or family.... it's that simple.... i'm not asking to be involved in any of the 'closed' discussions (although it seem certain people outside the series are party to them) All i am saying is that time is running out and people need to start making decisions...

For yourself as you're party to all the debates and not actually even running a bike it's great sitting there saying 'be patient on this and that' but people are on budgets of time and resources to get their bikes up and running.

Sadly i don't fit into the 'inner sanctum' and in some ways that's a shame mate.... but i'm sick of being dismissed like a naughty schoolboy just because i'm not entering the series.

I'm almost tempted to send in the £200 just so i can have an opinion..... This 'us and them' attitude is helping no-one.

Weeksy - I disagree with you, you are the one that is creating this supposed "them and us" situation; by putting yourself forward as a spokeperson for some of the racers and then being critical when the agreed and communicated timescales don't meet with your requirements.

We have been told when we are being told and we are OK with this.

Whilst it may be preffered to know before now, that isn't and won't happen.

When decisions are made they will be communicated to all the appropriate parties in the manner best seen fit by the team running the series and shouldn't be made available to anyone who has a vested interest or otherwise just because they threaten to throw their toys out of the pram.

Tim:ninja:

Rattler
09-Feb-2005, 22:47
Everyone can have an opinion and everyone is entitled to mine!!!!:lol:

psychlist
09-Feb-2005, 22:56
I'm not interested in having a say, a vote, or a bloody fight over this!!! All I wanted to say was I'm interested in seeing how you put a race season together so I want to WATCH & LISTEN for crying out loud, can't any of you read? :frog: I'm rapidly forming the opinion that I can't be arsed to take an interest cos you're making such a meal of it!
See you in the morning.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

clockwork orange
09-Feb-2005, 22:58
Hear hear Paul.

Still, first time around everyone is still learning, including the organisers :lol::lol::lol:

Rattler
09-Feb-2005, 23:04
Originally posted by psychlist
I'm not interested in having a say, a vote, or a bloody fight over this!!! All I wanted to say was I'm interested in seeing how you put a race season together so I want to WATCH & LISTEN for crying out loud, can't any of you read? :frog: I'm rapidly forming the opinion that I can't be arsed to take an interest cos you're making such a meal of it!
See you in the morning.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Well if you sat back and just read and listened instead of stirring it up, you would be able to. :puzzled::puzzled:

psychlist
09-Feb-2005, 23:08
Originally posted by Rattler
Well if you sat back and just read and listened instead of stirring it up, you would be able to. :puzzled::puzzled:

Wise words but very ill informed Tim. 100 lines, I must read all the posts before I pass judgement :pig:

paynep
09-Feb-2005, 23:10
Wow, this thread will REALLY impress outsiders are interested in getting behind DD
:mad:

Rattler
09-Feb-2005, 23:11
Time for bed said Zebedee!

psychlist - you've got a U2U

Tim:ninja:

[Edited on 9-2-2005 by Rattler]

skidlids
10-Feb-2005, 00:57
Originally posted by clockwork orange
Hear hear Paul.

Still, first time around everyone is still learning, including the organisers :lol::lol::lol:

Lets hope there will be a second time around for a DSC series, I wonder what will be going on this time next year.
If there is going to be a DSC series next year I can understand why members like Paul and Weeksy would like to know what is happening this year as they well want to be involved in some way next year.


Back to the subject of tyres, I have no intention of using H rated BT090s on any of my other bikes so why would I want them on my 600SS when I could have the choice of fitting Pirelli Diablos especially as I am going to be the person paying for them.
Now if tyres were Free then it might be different.
I can buy what make of brake pads that I want and the same applies to chain, sprockets, mastercylinders, shockabsorber, fork springs, rearsets, exhaust systems and even model of Ducati 600/620, so why shouldn't this apply to my tyres

NBs996
10-Feb-2005, 01:13
Originally posted by skidlids

Back to the subject of tyres, I have no intention of using H rated BT090s on any of my other bikes so why would I want them on my 600SS when I could have the choice of fitting Pirelli Diablos especially as I am going to be the person paying for them.
Now if tyres were Free then it might be different.
I can buy what make of brake pads that I want and the same applies to chain, sprockets, mastercylinders, shockabsorber, fork springs, rearsets, exhaust systems and even model of Ducati 600/620, so why shouldn't this apply to my tyres

I totally agree with that kev, but i also subscribe to the idea that a control tyre will prevent the spare wheels scenario which will be a significant advantage for those that can afford it.

I have heard of what i think is an excellent suggestion to sort out free tyre selection AND eliminate spare wheels for different conditions. It's not my idea, so maybe i shouldn't put it open for discussion here but it will certainly be brought up at the meeting on saturday.

Iconic944ss
10-Feb-2005, 10:34
yeah - triangular front tyres - I remember those !!!

Monty
10-Feb-2005, 11:59
Originally posted by Iconic944ss
yeah - triangular front tyres - I remember those !!!

Remember them-I used them! Had a KR83 on the front of my BSA Thunderbolt with a TT100 on the back. The profile was so extreme you didn't roll the bike into corners, it just dropped over until the sidewall stuck. They were quite odd to ride on as you HAD to use full lean, anything less and the front just slid out until it got to full lean and then if you were lucky it stuck-ok once you had got used to it-but not much fun in the wet.............

John

Jon
10-Feb-2005, 20:12
I'd like to put my opinion forward, but then again I'm not a contestant. So I will not bother and this will make things easier:lol: for those that have entered:D

domski
10-Feb-2005, 20:59
Would it not just be easier to say NO WETS (If only to keep costs down) and you can use ANY TYRE YOU WANT.

There obviously hasn't been the support shown from the tyre manufacturers, or we wouldn't be discussing this still.

My suggestion - Open on tyres, no slicks, no wets, no warmers, 2 warm up laps.

Thats got to be the easiest and simplest solution.

Perhaps next year a tyre company will get on board, and we can have this discussion again :frog:

[Edited on 10-2-2005 by domskidue]

skidlids
10-Feb-2005, 21:07
Dom I'm sure your suggestion is already being discussed as I know I have included a very similar suggestion in my emails to the Desmo Due committee.
I am also sure a couple of control tyre suppliers are also being considered and that info will be passed to us at the meeting on Saturday. Maybe we the racers will be offered a few options to vote on.

Roll on Saturday when hopefully a lot of questions will be answered.

domski
10-Feb-2005, 21:43
Yes, I'm sure you're right Kev.

I'm sure the committee have it fully under control, but what else do we have to talk about

:lol:

How about giving me a 20 second head start :o

NBs996
10-Feb-2005, 21:47
Originally posted by domskidue

How about giving me a 20 second head start :o

You're 'avin a larf! Looking at your website, I think you should be made to ride with NO tyres!! :lol:

domski
10-Feb-2005, 22:00
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

My website is just fiction ;)

NBs996
10-Feb-2005, 22:02
Oh dear! And i was so impressed, I was about to mail you a sponsorship cheque. Ah well, i'll have to give it to someone else...

AK
10-Feb-2005, 22:07
Originally posted by NBs996
Oh dear! And i was so impressed, I was about to mail you a sponsorship cheque. Ah well, i'll have to give it to someone else...

send it to meeeee

send it to meeeee - will be carefully used in 'buying' a rider, as the gorgeous Mr Xaus said no.... as he was a little booked up already;)

NBs996
10-Feb-2005, 22:10
charlotte m'dear, i'd be happy to sponsor the cost of getting your acu license. Otherwise, EBAY HERE I COME!!!

skidlids
10-Feb-2005, 23:01
Originally posted by domskidue
How about giving me a 20 second head start :o

Thats fine by me












You just have to do a extra lap more than the rest of us :frog:

domski
10-Feb-2005, 23:23
:o:D