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OK, following on from discussions on here AND with other DD riders on my moby...
Here is a link to a JUST FOR FUN points table, based on engine capacity.
It's not the official points table, although general opinion seems to wish it was...
JUST FOR FUN, AND NOT OFFICIAL POINTS TABLE - OK!! (http://www.domskidue.co.uk/points.htm)
....running away now :ninja:
phoenix n max
09-May-2005, 14:10
I wish you'd hurry up and get better - you must be going out of your mind with boredom ;)
Hmm 31 - sounds better than 5 I must admit!
My point exactly :bouncy:
Everyone gets more points (not the idea behind this), and the people who ride their nuts off on a 583 or 675 get just reward for there efforts, coz they're gunna get hammered from now on.
I'll give £50 to the first non-620 rider to win a DRY race.
I think my money is safe.
:)
it must be said that running an Internal " DSC " 2 class series as depicted in the tables is not a bad idea............what possible hope have the 583/600 big bores got of a top 3 finish in a race let alone the season against the top riders on the 620's.
I can hear the "its the rider not the bike" arguments already.......
:P
Phil
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 15:20
i think we've been here before, but if a top 3 finish is that important to anyone surely they would have got a 620 in the first place?
Originally posted by dickieducati
i think we've been here before, but if a top 3 finish is that important to anyone surely they would have got a 620 in the first place?
Not when they were told a 600 big bore would give same bhp...........
but like u said we been here before, but still a valid point dom raises about 2 point system...why would any1 object to that.........:puzzled:
Phil
What if you couldn't afford a 620?
This was a 'cheap' entry class afterall.
Phil & Ali are fast boys, but maybe they didn't have the £4000+ to buy and prep a 620.
Should they be penalised for that?
Originally posted by weeksy
but... the way the rules were interpreted by DD 583 BB riders was that a sorted 583 would be pretty much equal to the 620ie...
I've been since informed that they have read it wrong anf it might do with Mikumi(sp?) carbs and a few other bits...
So the 583 riders at the time thought it would be an equal power battle.
mikuni flatslides and a little fettling will not give 63 at the rear wheel..and would cost in the order of 800 quid plus...
i would donate my bike to any of the Ducati mechanics here and let them try to get 63 at the wheel within the rules.
currently with Big bore and dyno jet its 51.5bhp.
Phil
I think Geoffs bike was making 63, so how would a 583/675 produce the same with tiny valves.
Thats where the restriction lies.
You could bore it to 1000cc, and it would be dog slow coz you can't get air/fuel in and out fast enough.
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 15:35
fair do's. 2 valid points well made.
out of interest whsat are the most accurate dyno figs we have seen comparing the 2. i know, different dyno's etc etc but what are we talking about 5 bhp, 10?
re 2 points systems. i think that is a bad way to go. as i have said before you then get into a hadicap type system for all sorts of reasons.
re cost how much more is a 620 realistically compared to what they have spent? not much if getting that podium is really important.
**just read above replies.**
if the info supplied pre season was inaccurate that is a shame for those concerned
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by dickieducati]
Lets not go there...all dom said was why not have a 2 series class with seperate points within the DSC and i agree its a good idea.
Nowt else
Phil
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 15:37
"Il n'y a que ceux qui ne font rien qui ne se trompent pas".
Originally posted by Tonio600
"Il n'y a que ceux qui ne font rien qui ne se trompent pas".
Nice quote Tonio, I like that.
Originally posted by dickieducati
fair do's. 2 valid points well made.
out of interest whsat are the most accurate dyno figs we have seen comparing the 2. i know, different dyno's etc etc but what are we talking about 5 bhp, 10?
re 2 points systems. i think that is a bad way to go. as i have said before you then get into a hadicap type system for all sorts of reasons.
re cost how much more is a 620 realistically compared to what they have spent? not much if getting that podium is really important.
**just read above replies.**
if the info supplied pre season was inaccurate that is a shame for those concerned
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by dickieducati]
3 big bored 600ss have been dyno'd at 3 seperate locations each giving a reading within 1/2 bhp of each other.
A 620ie is ball park 3k plus all the extra's what do you think dickie 4.5k approx.? if so thats easily 2k over and above what i have spent...if i had known the 600ss big bored was so down on power i would have waited and looked for a 620ie.
Phil
skidlids
09-May-2005, 15:41
Even so maybe the two classes should be 620/674 and the other 583 that would alter the table a bit, mind you I would still have Zero points.
You can't tell me fitting a 674 Bigbore kit on a 583 doesn't make a difference, I've ridden Senna3's and it pulls like a train compared to mine.
I think we will find that at both Castle Combe and Snetterton there are 3 distinct classes, a speed gun for measuring top speeds down the straights will show things as they really are.
Edited to add Snetterton as I had put Thruxton, wishful thinking
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by skidlids]
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 15:42
Originally posted by fil2
Lets not go there...all dom said was why not have a 2 series class with seperate points within the DSC and i agree its a good idea.
Nowt else
Phil
agree,
i think its a bad idea.
I know that there aren't any 'works' teams, but I can best justify the 2-tier points system if I can use BSB as an example.
The 620's have an advantage, no one is really disputing that, so they are like the 'main' BSB teams.
Then the 583/675 massiiiive are like the BSB Cup teams.
There is still an overall championship to compete for, but at least the Cup riders get recognition for their achievements.
So a Cup rider finishes 20th overall, but he's the 1st Cup rider, so he gets no points in BSB proper, but 25 points in the Cup.
I'm not suggesting prizes or anything like that for the 583/675 riders, just some recognition that there is two clear races within the one DD race.
It won't take long for riders on a budget to look at DD and think "Well, there's no point doing it unless you have a 620"
Not everyone can afford a 620.
Not everyone is doing this just for fun, and happy to finish 10th or 20th or 30th.
antonye
09-May-2005, 15:47
Same here as Phil - although I've got a budget if I had known that the 600SS would be this much down on power I would have gone for the cheapest 620 I could find.
We've hit the wall with the valves when it comes to getting more power out of the big-bored engine and we can't change those within the rules.
The cost of Keihin FCR39s is knocking on $1000 (about £600 as Phil says) once you've got them imported and so on, plus you need the shorter manifolds as well and I haven't been able to find them here either.
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 15:49
Message original : fil2
A 620ie is ball park 3k plus all the extra's what do you think dickie 4.5k approx.? if so thats easily 2k over and above what i have spent...if i had known the 600ss big bored was so down on power i would have waited and looked for a 620ie.
I disagree.
http://southwick.dyndns.org/desmodue/budget-en.html
I am under 3k even with a service of about £500 (which I wouldn't have done if I have known...).
Originally posted by Tonio600
Message original : fil2
A 620ie is ball park 3k plus all the extra's what do you think dickie 4.5k approx.? if so thats easily 2k over and above what i have spent...if i had known the 600ss big bored was so down on power i would have waited and looked for a 620ie.
I disagree.
http://southwick.dyndns.org/desmodue/budget-en.html
I am under 3k even with a service of about £500 (which I wouldn't have done if I have known...).
Yeah but you went to France to buy yours :frog:;)
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 15:52
i dont agree that there are 2 clear races within one DD race, i beleive its alot more mixed than you make out. but we have been here before.
got to make it clear my opinion has nothing to do with how far up the table i come. no matter how you slice it or what table i'm in, i'll still be at the bottom.
About 5 of us bought 620's for around the £2500 mark.
Mine was £2550.
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 15:54
I look forward to bring back my 600 Monster from France, just to check with an Alfano and the same rider... :eureka:
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 15:55
having said that, should i fluke a decent position somehow, i can just hear all the "yeah well, he's on a 620 anyway" already. :lol::lol::lol: ;)
Why is it that the 620 riders are the only ones thinking we have a level playing field?
Lets swap at Castle Combe, and I won't just suck the stickers off the 675 as I fly past.
IT'S NOT EVEN, STOP KIDDING YOURSELF DUDE!!
:D:saint::D:saint::D:saint:;)
we havent quite got to £1850 yet - and that was for buying & fettling the bike.
We couldnt have started at £2,500, then added the 'extras that would have been necessary for safety, neither of us had the money...............
Skids, have we bust your budget yet mate?
C
Originally posted by TP
About 5 of us bought 620's for around the £2500 mark.
Mine was £2550.
sure but what costs are u up to now with the ohlins ,pipes etc..........actually scratch that..its not really about the money its about the 600ss big bore not being competative when it was advised it would be.......!
wots the issue with seperate points.?
Lets watch the top 5 spots and see how many 600ss bb or standard 600ss get inside the top 5 .?
who is gonna buy a 600ss with bb now when they know it aint competative.?
mmmmmmmmmmm
Phil
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 16:00
Originally posted by domskidue
Why is it that the 620 riders are the only ones thinking we have a level playing field?
Lets swap at Castle Combe, and I won't just suck the stickers off the 675 as I fly past.
IT'S NOT EVEN, STOP KIDDING YOURSELF DUDE!!
:D:saint::D:saint::D:saint:;)
never said it was a level playing field. what'd be the point everyone crossing the line at the same time?
you want to make it level? give me a 2 lap head start.
Originally posted by fil2
who is gonna buy a 600ss with bb now when they know it aint competative.?
mmmmmmmmmmm
Phil
we arent going to use ours Fil - as you all know why.The bike std is 49bhp, so not much less than yours:o
Weeksy, take care in what year bike you get...............
C
Originally posted by dickieducati
Originally posted by domskidue
Why is it that the 620 riders are the only ones thinking we have a level playing field?
Lets swap at Castle Combe, and I won't just suck the stickers off the 675 as I fly past.
IT'S NOT EVEN, STOP KIDDING YOURSELF DUDE!!
:D:saint::D:saint::D:saint:;)
never said it was a level playing field. what'd be the point everyone crossing the line at the same time?
you want to make it level? give me a 2 lap head start.
why when you already have 10 bhp on me and the 600ss boys how much of an advatage do you want dickie... ;)
Phil
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 16:06
b.t.w
this makes me feel great. not only did i end up way down the order but now everyone agrees i have the best bike and should be wiping the floor with everyone. thanks very much.
;)
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 16:06
Message original : domskidue
Why is it that the 620 riders are the only ones thinking we have a level playing field?
No, of course it's not fair. We are speaking about 2 different engines, the recent one created I think 6 years after the old one. But it has always be written in the rules that all engines won't be the same. That's why I bought a 620. Ok it's a little bit more expensive but we are speaking about racing, and everybody knows racing is dead expensive. Furthermore for me, as I am not a top racer like you Dom, so anybody doesn't pay for me to ride. And without any sponsor to help me, you can be sure DD racing is costing me more money than I have.
But I did this choice, and my girlfriend love me enough to accept this. So don't cry because you can't afford a 620, make a loan et basta.
Originally posted by dickieducati
never said it was a level playing field. what'd be the point everyone crossing the line at the same time?
That's not even the point.
The point is that we were told that a 675 would be a match for a 620 - fact!
Then it's down to rider ability, the point of the series - fact!
When a 620 is pulling 5 or 6 lengths on at fully sorted 675 down a 300 yard straight, it's not rider ability - fact!
Not everyone has the spare cash to buy a 620, so when we were told a 583 with BB would be a match, those with little cash, bought 583's.
When a true novice pulls away from me in a straight line, it's not coz he's better, it's coz he has a machine advantage.
I know some people think I'm full of ****, but give me Geoff's bike and I'd lap as fast as him (not his week though).
So, now that we all know it's not a level playing field, how can you have a problem with seperate points?
It moves you up the table for a start!!!
This aint personal, I just feel like I'm talking to a wall :lol:
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 16:09
way to go!
skidlids
09-May-2005, 16:10
CK you are on about the same budget, so far mine has cost me £1850 to have it on the grid as I did at Cadwell, in fairness if I didn't count the bits I already had it's actually nearer £1300. Wish I could have a DP pipe on it within that sort of budget.
Originally posted by weeksy
Can you transpose a 620ie engine and loom etc into a 583 based chasis ?
is it worth a consideration ?
Yes you can, but it's money again.
If you spent money on a big bore kit, why should you then spend another £500+ on a 620 engine?
Anyway, this isn't about having a 620, it's about recognising that there are 2 or 3 classes.
We all accept that the 620 is faster, that's barely an issue anymore.
skidlids
09-May-2005, 16:14
You probaly could put the 620 engine in the 583 chassis but you would have to gut the lower brace bar just as you would to fit shorter inlet tracts. Not sure what total cost will be Jim at Bike Enders had a 5 speed engine with some damage for £375
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 16:15
Originally posted by weeksy
Originally posted by domskidue
When a true novice pulls away from me in a straight line, it's not coz he's better, it's coz he has a machine advantage.
Maybe he had better corner exit speed than you Dommy ?
well i definitely did out of the first hairpin!
sorry below the belt.
yeah lets have different tables then. 620, 573 660. whatever.
novices, experienced riders, under 30's, people with less than 8 letters in their surname whatever you like.
Originally posted by Tonio600
Message original : domskidue
Why is it that the 620 riders are the only ones thinking we have a level playing field?
No, of course it's not fair. We are speaking about 2 different engines, the recent one created I think 6 years after the old one. But it has always be written in the rules that all engines won't be the same. That's why I bought a 620. Ok it's a little bit more expensive but we are speaking about racing, and everybody knows racing is dead expensive. Furthermore for me, as I am not a top racer like you Dom, so anybody doesn't pay for me to ride. And without any sponsor to help me, you can be sure DD racing is costing me more money than I have.
But I did this choice, and my girlfriend love me enough to accept this. So don't cry because you can't afford a 620, make a loan et basta.
u miss the point..!!!!! the point is we were told a 600ss with a big bore would give the same power or close too as the 620.!!!! thats why some of us bought the 600ss we were accepting in the fact that it was an older bike with older suspension and brakes etc, but under the impression the power gap was able to be bridged.
And i have a big OD thanks and a loan
Phil
ps...and still i ask whats wrong with a 2 points system within the dsc? no 1 has come up with a good reason why not.
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by fil2]
Originally posted by weeksy
Maybe he had better corner exit speed than you Dommy ?
Oh dear oh dear oh dear :sniff:
I was actually, for your information, Mr Weeks :P riding around the outside of him at barn, but once upright, he just pulled away, so there :P;)
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 16:18
Yeahhhh great I am first of the French table :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Originally posted by skidlids
Not sure what total cost will be Jim at Bike Enders had a 5 speed engine with some damage for £375
thats been brought by Louigimoto:o ..........................
as AK found out today, after an idle chat with Jim last week.......
Dom?????????????????
Originally posted by weeksy
Originally posted by CK and AK
Originally posted by skidlids
Not sure what total cost will be Jim at Bike Enders had a 5 speed engine with some damage for £375
thats been brought by Louigimoto:o ..........................
as AK found out today, after an idle chat with Jim last week.......
Dom?????????????????
Uh oh.... the secret is out
That's not all Louigi has bought Charlotte....
i can't WAIT to ride the new bike :)
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by weeksy]
You lot know more than me.
Probably coz I have a big gob :D
However quick you may be, a really good rider ought to trounce many others if he has:
a 620 ss with a 6 speed gear
that is the best way to go - if you have the money of course.
:)
Originally posted by weeksy
Originally posted by CK and AK
Originally posted by skidlids
Not sure what total cost will be Jim at Bike Enders had a 5 speed engine with some damage for £375
thats been brought by Louigimoto:o ..........................
as AK found out today, after an idle chat with Jim last week.......
Dom?????????????????
Uh oh.... the secret is out
That's not all Louigi has bought Charlotte....
i can't WAIT to ride the new bike :)
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by weeksy]
Get in line boy....Louigi already has his stand in for dom if dom cant make grid ( which i hope he does ) and it aint you lol
Phil
ps i can feel the power now
skidlids
09-May-2005, 16:29
Originally posted by fil2
ps...and still i ask whats wrong with a 2 points system within the dsc? no 1 has come up with a good reason why not.
I thought I had as you are nigh on saying the 674 bikes are on a par with the 583s and a long way from the 620s, if its to be two points tables then 583 in one class and 620/674s in the other
Desmondo
09-May-2005, 16:36
Ah, this is one of the reasons I decided not to join in with Desmo Due (apart from being a lazy git). When the series was first mentioned it sounded like a one make series which would be mainly based on rider ability. Buy a bike, stirp the lights off and race it. The more open the rules became, the less interest I had. And now the arguments are kicking off. I'll leave you guys to it :)
Originally posted by skidlids
Originally posted by fil2
ps...and still i ask whats wrong with a 2 points system within the dsc? no 1 has come up with a good reason why not.
I thought I had as you are nigh on saying the 674 bikes are on a par with the 583s and a long way from the 620s, if its to be two points tables then 583 in one class and 620/674s in the other
3 classes then why the hell not..the 583's already have a prize awarded to them for first across the line dont they.?
Phill
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by fil2]
stumpy1
09-May-2005, 16:39
Originally posted by domskidue
Originally posted by dickieducati
never said it was a level playing field. what'd be the point everyone crossing the line at the same time?
That's not even the point.
The point is that we were told that a 675 would be a match for a 620 - fact!
Then it's down to rider ability, the point of the series - fact!
When a 620 is pulling 5 or 6 lengths on at fully sorted 675 down a 300 yard straight, it's not rider ability - fact!
Not everyone has the spare cash to buy a 620, so when we were told a 583 with BB would be a match, those with little cash, bought 583's.
When a true novice pulls away from me in a straight line, it's not coz he's better, it's coz he has a machine advantage.
I know some people think I'm full of <b>[Censored]</b> , but give me Geoff's bike and I'd lap as fast as him (not his week though).
So, now that we all know it's not a level playing field, how can you have a problem with seperate points?
It moves you up the table for a start!!!
This aint personal, I just feel like I'm talking to a wall :lol:
A faster rider should get past a novice on the bends and on the brakes....
my two team m8 last year both had better bike then me..one had a 15 bhp more then me,i'd still beat him in every race..
There is no such thing us a level playing field in racing..
some people cant buy a 620. some people cant buy good suspention for there 583....even if you had all 620 there will alway be people with better spec bikes..you will never stop it.......I'd thought this was going to be a freinds class..maybe this class should have just been for novices..
weeksy we will get the 620i. ;)
Originally posted by Desmondo
Ah, this is one of the reasons I decided not to join in with Desmo Due (apart from being a lazy git). When the series was first mentioned it sounded like a one make series which would be mainly based on rider ability. Buy a bike, stirp the lights off and race it. The more open the rules became, the less interest I had. And now the arguments are kicking off. I'll leave you guys to it :)
shame innit Jamie..... :(
Phil
Originally posted by skidlids
You probaly could put the 620 engine in the 583 chassis but you would have to gut the lower brace bar just as you would to fit shorter inlet tracts. Not sure what total cost will be Jim at Bike Enders had a 5 speed engine with some damage for £375
Ok, my final word on the power and class debate!:
In an effort to put my money where my mouth is and prove that I'm convinced of the power defecit a 675 is suffering I've reviewed just about every option of fitting a 620 engine to my bike.
The only realistic way to get a 620 engine running is a 583 chassis is to ditch the fuel injection and most of the 620 electrics. Thankfully this is within the rules as carburation is free, but I'd love to have kept the throttle bodies, as carbs are much more expensive to set up and will require custom inlet manifolds.
The only exception to this is if you manage to get hold of a crashed-but-complete bike that still has the keys, ignition barrel, immobiliser, ECU, coils, reg/rect, etc, etc.... I've tried to find this lot and failed miserably. The general idea is that they would cost over £1k even if you could find them.
Even if you take the 620 with carbs route then you'll have to change the electrics and the l/h engine cover. Reliability may well be an issue and you'll end up chucking £200 on dyno
time to get the manifolds and jetting right.
It's a huge amount of work and expense for a low-budget team, and will only pay dividends if the club decides to allow 620 engines to have big bores next year. I can't afford it at the moment and, more importantly, have an engine that runs in bike that's handling ok. Any results I acheive will have to be based on that.
If the series doesn't expand into a bigger class next year then I can only hope the rules stay as they are and allow us to remain in the top half of the field.
Cheers,
Ali
ps: If one of the 620 boys would like to buy and use my 675 engine in their bike then I'll be more than happy to let it go for a reasonable price... say the £1000 it owes me! :lol:
skidlids
09-May-2005, 16:45
583 prize
Thats because it was recognised that the 583s would be on a hiding to nothing against 620s and 674s, I must admit I am suprised at the lack of 583s out on the grid as they were the cheapest option to go racing and it was thought there would be more out there especially as figures of £900 were touted around as the price of a bigbore kit.
keep it cheap, keep it simple
Originally posted by R1-ian
Originally posted by domskidue
Originally posted by dickieducati
never said it was a level playing field. what'd be the point everyone crossing the line at the same time?
That's not even the point.
The point is that we were told that a 675 would be a match for a 620 - fact!
Then it's down to rider ability, the point of the series - fact!
When a 620 is pulling 5 or 6 lengths on at fully sorted 675 down a 300 yard straight, it's not rider ability - fact!
Not everyone has the spare cash to buy a 620, so when we were told a 583 with BB would be a match, those with little cash, bought 583's.
When a true novice pulls away from me in a straight line, it's not coz he's better, it's coz he has a machine advantage.
I know some people think I'm full of <b>[Censored]</b> , but give me Geoff's bike and I'd lap as fast as him (not his week though).
So, now that we all know it's not a level playing field, how can you have a problem with seperate points?
It moves you up the table for a start!!!
This aint personal, I just feel like I'm talking to a wall :lol:
A faster rider should get past a novice on the bends and on the brakes....
my two team m8 last year both had better bike then me..one had a 15 bhp more then me,i'd still beat him in every race..
There is no such thing us a level playing field in racing..
some people cant buy a 620. some people cant buy good suspention for there 583....even if you had all 620 there will alway be people with better spec bikes..you will never stop it.......I'd thought this was going to be a freinds class..maybe this class should have just been for novices..
weeksy we will get the 620i. ;)
what about 2 riders or very simular or equal abilty on two bikes with 10 bhp at the rear wheel difference...only an idiot would believe the faster bike does not have an advantage.
do you guys miss the point............many of the 600ss people bought the bikes because a bb kit was avaliable to level the power output ..this is not the case..........simple as that.
Phil
Originally posted by R1-ian
There is no such thing us a level playing field in racing..
some people cant buy a 620. some people cant buy good suspention for there 583....even if you had all 620 there will alway be people with better spec bikes..you will never stop it.......
Good points Ian, but this thread has been taken away from the point which was...
Should there be 2 (or 3) points tables.
We already know it's not a level playing field (as level as it could have been), so thats no longer an issue.
It's about accepting that there is now a race within a race.
Originally posted by domskidue
Originally posted by R1-ian
There is no such thing us a level playing field in racing..
some people cant buy a 620. some people cant buy good suspention for there 583....even if you had all 620 there will alway be people with better spec bikes..you will never stop it.......
Good points Ian, but this thread has been taken away from the point which was...
Should there be 2 (or 3) points tables.
We already know it's not a level playing field (as level as it could have been), so thats no longer an issue.
It's about accepting that there is now a race within a race.
Exactly...................at last we get back to the point LOL...
Phil
Originally posted by weeksy
Win because you are the best.... and prove all the others wrong....
So would Geoff have won on a 583 then?
No.
Would he have won on a 675?
No.
Simple!!
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 16:51
Message original : domskidue
It's about accepting that there is now a race within a race.
I hope you don't mind if we use the same track ?? :lol::lol:
Originally posted by Tonio600
Message original : domskidue
It's about accepting that there is now a race within a race.
I hope you don't mind if we use the same track ?? :lol::lol:
Only if you dont get in the way...................l:P
Phil
stumpy1
09-May-2005, 16:56
But do you really want to be in a championship of only 11 bikes...thats what it would be if you've had your own class of 583....
I'd no someone who just got a 3rd place in the MRO AT CROFT on a nearly standard k3 1000 165 bhp...where most of the other bike are over 180 bhp and ex work bikes....
are you all saying that if you've had a 620 you would of beaten Geoff...may he is just a better rider....
do you really think it would be better for DSC to run two classes...cant you just do some head work on the big bored to make them work..
Originally posted by weeksy
No matter what way you look at it, there will always be people who have the better bike, the more power and the bling to go faster...
if it's not that, it's the National race license, or the motorhome and Helicopter...
You all entered the series with the rules in place and in your mind, all you 583 BB guys have said all along your bikes are not as good, first it was calipers, then suspension, then the weight of the wheels... etc etc....
The rules haven't changed, only the interpretation of them.....
Win because you are the best.... and prove all the others wrong....
"When the flag....... you know the rest :)"
LMAO
Have you been assimulated by the " collective "
:puzzled:
Phil
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 16:57
Message original : fil2
Originally posted by Tonio600
Message original : domskidue
It's about accepting that there is now a race within a race.
I hope you don't mind if we use the same track ?? :lol::lol:
Only if you dont get in the way...................l:P
I'm most of the time in the grass... I might just bother Dom :D
[Edité le 9-5-2005 par Tonio600]
Ian, Weeksy, at the risk of me sounding even more boring..............
the pistons on the BB kits do not provide enough compression, particularly on the later bikes.
Yes, you can do some barrels work, BUT as Rich has found, there is STILL a lack of compression which does not help the BHP by much. You cant touch the head tho.
Alan & Rich have had many conversations on this, they both know their machinery so as you can imagine, they are not giving up - but it takes time and also money to take other avenues.
Andy - who rode our bike at cadders said he was fine on the bends and able to pass inexperienced riders - anywhere except from the start/finish straight, where well ridden 620's were trouncing him for acceleration.
This thread seems to be going down the wrong route at the moment.
SO:
Back to the original post: Dom, your chart is great mate:D
C
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by CK and AK]
Originally posted by weeksy
Geoff must be sitting laughing reading this thinking
'i've got this lot whooped already, they've all but given up'
It's the same as Rossi and Sete this season, put firmly in your place and looking for excuses :)
Speak for yerself m8......I plan too rider harder n faster than before m8...no1 is making excuses or giving up..giving up is for loosers........................
Phil
Originally posted by weeksy
is it true though Dom ???? because personally i rekon he'd have won on a 675....
Lets face it, he won.... that's it....
I'd put £1000 on Geoff not winning on a 675.
Taking nothing away from Geoff, he won both races, and set the fastest lap, he rode a blinder and he's a top bloke too.
Again, this is not about having a 620, 675 or 583.
It's about recognising the CLEAR difference in machines.
Castle Combe, Snetterton, Donington, Cadwell GP and probably Brands Indy will only prove what an advantage the 620's have, and that's FINE.
I think we've all come to terms with that.
This thread is about recognising that the series is not even, or even close to being even, and therefore, what do the 583 & 675 guys have to race for?
Top non-620 in 8th place?
WOW, send the 620 engine back Louigi.
I want to win, and the only bikes that are capable of winning are 620's.
What is the big deal of having seperate points tables AS WELL AS the overall points table?
Seriously people, get a grip.
For Sale
600ss with big bore ideal entry level bike for the DD race series. May take a 620ie with cash deal.
:saint:
Phil
stumpy1
09-May-2005, 17:08
Originally posted by CK and AK
Ian, Weeksy, at the risk of me sounding even more boring..............
the pistons on the BB kits do not provide enough compression, particularly on the later bikes.
Yes, you can do some head work, BUT as Rich has found, there is STILL a lack of compression which does not help the BHP by much.
Alan & Rich have had many conversations on this, they both know their machinery so as you can imagine, they are not giving up - but it takes time and also money to take other avenues.
Andy - who rode our bike at cadders said he was fine on the bends - anywhere apart from the start/finish straight, where well ridden 620's were trouncing him for acceleration.
This thread seems to be going done the wrong route at the moment.
SO:
Back to the original post: Dom, your chart is great mate:D
C
Thanks for that m8..........Its just a shame it has turn out like this....
stumpy1
09-May-2005, 17:09
Originally posted by fil2
For Sale
600ss with big bore ideal entry level bike for the DD race series. May take a 620ie with cash deal.
:saint:
Phil
wise man..............
"This thread is about recognising that the series is not even, or even close to being even, and therefore, what do the 583 & 675 guys have to race for?
Top non-620 in 8th place?"
WOW...that high huh......................
;)
Phil
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by fil2]
phoenix n max
09-May-2005, 17:10
I plan to let Geoff lap me 4 times at the rest of the circuits were at but only on the twisty bits so I can follow his line for ....oooo... all of 15 feet ;)
Have you fitted an alarm clock to your bike yet CK for Revitts ? Mine plays a lovely toooon !
Originally posted by R1-ian
But do you really want to be in a championship of only 11 bikes...thats what it would be if you've had your own class of 583....
I would think people would like to race against riders on equalish machinery.
I'd no someone who just got a 3rd place in the MRO AT CROFT on a nearly standard k3 1000 165 bhp...where most of the other bike are over 180 bhp and ex work bikes....
Chris Firmin? I know Chris and he's a top rider and all round top bloke.
165bhp v 180bhp is 9% diff in power.
51bhp v 63bhp is 24% diff in power.
Do the maths. Chris against 203bhp would be more like our dilema. How would he do against Rutter et al, do you think?
are you all saying that if you've had a 620 you would of beaten Geoff...may he is just a better rider....
When did I say that? Geoff IS a very good rider, and I believe that if we swapped bikes, I'd lap faster.
do you really think it would be better for DSC to run two classes...cant you just do some head work on the big bored to make them work..
It's not in the rules
not a shame at all Ian:)
Just I did mention 2 seperate sections BEFORE the AGM even got under way - would have left it cheap for some.
BUT:
we are enjoying seeing our home prepped bike (sounds like Blue Peter:lol: ) on the track, anywhere apart from last:)
Its being a good experience so far - and we look forwards to more fun.
The other 2 riders lined up are still keen to ride, even with less power, as both are good mates of ours & enjoy race meetings:)
Originally posted by CK and AK
not a shame at all Ian:)
Just I did mention 2 seperate sections BEFORE the AGM even got under way - would have left it cheap for some.
BUT:
we are enjoying seeing our home prepped bike (sounds like Blue Peter:lol: ) on the track, anywhere apart from last:)
Its being a good experience so far - and we look forwards to more fun.
The other 2 riders lined up are still keen to ride, even with less power, as both are good mates of ours & enjoy race meetings:)
Hodgeson and Rutter no doubt going on the last rider you had...
:P
Phil
Can you all slow down a bit with your replies please, I can't keep up with one hand.
Cue slow racer gags... :(
Originally posted by fil2
Hodgeson and Rutter no doubt going on the last rider you had...
:P
Phil
shhh:P
Andy only told us he 'had a bit of experience':o - he didnt say how much, till after!
Xaus for Snett then:smug:
Originally posted by CK and AK
Xaus for Snett then:smug:
That's ok, he's bound to crash :lol::lol::lol::lol:
...is he still racing? :o;)
Originally posted by domskidue
Why is it that the 620 riders are the only ones thinking we have a level playing field?
Lets swap at Castle Combe, and I won't just suck the stickers off the 675 as I fly past.
IT'S NOT EVEN, STOP KIDDING YOURSELF DUDE!!
:D:saint::D:saint::D:saint:;)
Domski you can use my 620 if you want.
Chass.
phoenix n max
09-May-2005, 17:29
Xaus wouldn't fit on a Monster would he ? Those legs would be all over the place !
Originally posted by weeksy
Can someone ask Geoff if he'll do a session swap or anyone else who has a 620ie and lets see how much of it is all talk and how much is raw power...
i'd love to know what the 583BB can do on a 620ie.... just out of intrest :)
If rumours are to be believed (I'm gunna regret this) then I'll show you the difference at Castle Combe. Arm permitting.
stumpy1
09-May-2005, 17:36
Originally posted by domskidue
Originally posted by R1-ian
But do you really want to be in a championship of only 11 bikes...thats what it would be if you've had your own class of 583....
I would think people would like to race against riders on equalish machinery.
I'd no someone who just got a 3rd place in the MRO AT CROFT on a nearly standard k3 1000 165 bhp...where most of the other bike are over 180 bhp and ex work bikes....
Chris Firmin? I know Chris and he's a top rider and all round top bloke.
165bhp v 180bhp is 9% diff in power.
51bhp v 63bhp is 24% diff in power.
Do the maths. Chris against 203bhp would be more like our dilema. How would he do against Rutter et al, do you think?
are you all saying that if you've had a 620 you would of beaten Geoff...may he is just a better rider....
When did I say that? Geoff IS a very good rider, and I believe that if we swapped bikes, I'd lap faster.
do you really think it would be better for DSC to run two classes...cant you just do some head work on the big bored to make them work..
It's not in the rules
then how come andy johnson is 5th in the championship on a 600????I'd at least thought you would have done better times then you did Dom..with your race experience!! i'd thought you would be at least one second better then all the other 600....Maybe its because you've havent been out on a bike much.......when you have been out a few more times you might be able to keep up with the 620i and beat them..
Originally posted by weeksy
or just a big rubber tire around the front like a dodgem.
Originally posted by chass
Originally posted by domskidue
Why is it that the 620 riders are the only ones thinking we have a level playing field?
Lets swap at Castle Combe, and I won't just suck the stickers off the 675 as I fly past.
IT'S NOT EVEN, STOP KIDDING YOURSELF DUDE!!
:D:saint::D:saint::D:saint:;)
Domski you can use my 620 if you want.
Chass.
chass, you might wanna stick some worn out brake pads on there... some rubber hoses... and fill it will strawberry Jelly... at least that way you have a slight chance of getting it back in 1 piece ;) :lol::lol:
Originally posted by dickieducati
b.t.w
this makes me feel great. not only did i end up way down the order but now everyone agrees i have the best bike and should be wiping the floor with everyone. thanks very much.
;)
I have to say master Dickie, you've made me nearly wet myself twice now in a week from laughing.
Originally posted by weeksy
TP is carrying WAY more than 30% extra bodyweight than NB..... so do we make all riders the same wieght now too ??
All TP needs to do is have a shave :lol:
If it was 100% equal Dommy, you'd never have been allowed in the series...
...and my arm would be OK too :D
Originally posted by R1-ian
then how come andy johnson is 5th in the championship on a 600????I'd at least thought you would have done better times then you did Dom..with your race experience!! i'd thought you would be at least one second better then all the other 600....Maybe its because you've havent been out on a bike much.......when you have been out a few more times you might be able to keep up with the 620i and beat them..
Read my race report :P
Originally posted by chass
Originally posted by domskidue
Why is it that the 620 riders are the only ones thinking we have a level playing field?
Lets swap at Castle Combe, and I won't just suck the stickers off the 675 as I fly past.
IT'S NOT EVEN, STOP KIDDING YOURSELF DUDE!!
:D:saint::D:saint::D:saint:;)
Domski you can use my 620 if you want.
Chass.
Thanks Chass, but it sounds like I'm sorted now :D
Originally posted by domskidue
Luigi found you a new engine.
Chass.
Originally posted by chass
Originally posted by domskidue
Why is it that the 620 riders are the only ones thinking we have a level playing field?
Lets swap at Castle Combe, and I won't just suck the stickers off the 675 as I fly past.
IT'S NOT EVEN, STOP KIDDING YOURSELF DUDE!!
:D:saint::D:saint::D:saint:;)
Domski you can use my 620 if you want.
Chass.
Thanks Chass, but it sounds like I'm sorted now :D
Simple, get 70% of the racers to agree, and bring the motion to the racing committee as a proposal to have 2 or 3 distinct classes within the series.
It's that bloody simple lads!
Sorry Chris, Mike and John for telling them how to do this, and give you a headache!
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by Flanks]
Flanks: they dont do simple:lol::lol:
Originally posted by Flanks
Simple, get 70% of the racers to agree, and bring the motion to the racing committee as proposal to have 2 distinct classes within the series.
It's that bloody simple lads!
Sorry Chris, Mike and John for telling them how to do this, and give you a headache! But this is madness!
Sounds easy eh?
Except 60% of them (inc me now - apparently) are on 620's and they don't recognise there is an issue.
stumpy1
09-May-2005, 18:01
Originally posted by domskidue
Originally posted by Flanks
Simple, get 70% of the racers to agree, and bring the motion to the racing committee as proposal to have 2 distinct classes within the series.
It's that bloody simple lads!
Sorry Chris, Mike and John for telling them how to do this, and give you a headache! But this is madness!
Sounds easy eh?
Except 60% of them (inc me now - apparently) are on 620's and they don't recognise there is an issue.
PMSL..................:burn:
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 18:01
from neil spaldings article about the series:
The rules are designed to allow the inveterate fiddlers a chance to build a quick 674, for the rest the easy way in is to buy a 620ie……
By the time we are halfway through the season I'll wager a modified manifold / carburettor 674cc kitted 600 will be making 62 is bhp and a properly built 621cc will be on the same…
if you read the whole article alot is made about carburation not just a case if simply bolting on a big bore kit.
in answer to the original post. yes if you and the majority want 2 or more tables have them. i think you'll find there are plenty of people who dont care one way or the other.
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 18:05
Message original : domskidue
Originally posted by Flanks
Simple, get 70% of the racers to agree, and bring the motion to the racing committee as proposal to have 2 distinct classes within the series.
It's that bloody simple lads!
Sorry Chris, Mike and John for telling them how to do this, and give you a headache! But this is madness!
Sounds easy eh?
Except 60% of them (inc me now - apparently) are on 620's and they don't recognise there is an issue.
I'm on 620 and I agree with 3 classes, just because there are 3 different engines allowed...
Class 583
Class 618
Class 674
It's easy...
Dom,
Look, write up a proposal, mail it to all the racers, and ask them to sign it, and send it back. Put as much effort as you've done into this debate, and you may have you're day.
Mark.
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by Flanks]
Originally posted by Tonio600
Message original : domskidue
Originally posted by Flanks
Simple, get 70% of the racers to agree, and bring the motion to the racing committee as proposal to have 2 distinct classes within the series.
It's that bloody simple lads!
Sorry Chris, Mike and John for telling them how to do this, and give you a headache! But this is madness!
Sounds easy eh?
Except 60% of them (inc me now - apparently) are on 620's and they don't recognise there is an issue.
I'm on 620 and I agree with 3 classes, just because there are 3 different engines allowed...
Class 583
Class 618
Class 674
It's easy...
You're damn right it's this easy! Plus the slower 620 guys get more points, as some of the 583 etc beat them.
Originally posted by dickieducati
from neil spaldings article about the series:
The rules are designed to allow the inveterate fiddlers a chance to build a quick 674, for the rest the easy way in is to buy a 620ie……
By the time we are halfway through the season I'll wager a modified manifold / carburettor 674cc kitted 600 will be making 62 is bhp and a properly built 621cc will be on the same…
if you read the whole article alot is made about carburation not just a case if simply bolting on a big bore kit.
in answer to the original post. yes if you and the majority want 2 or more tables have them. i think you'll find there are plenty of people who dont care one way or the other.
whatever.:barfy:
dickieducati
09-May-2005, 18:16
my last word on the subject:
firstly; i do understand the debate about 573 getting up to 620 levels with correct big bore kits and carburation, which to my mind no one has actually done yet anyway so its difficut to say. but everyone knew the rules when they entered and, no matter what anyone says everyone had a choice over what bike to enter. if you could only enter what in your mind is an uncompetitive bike, you had the choice not to enter at all.
secondly; i'll happily vote for 3 classes if thats what the majority want.
out of interest if i enter s.o.t and am the top placed 620 do i get a cup?
skidlids
09-May-2005, 18:21
I'm on a 583 and here are a few of the reasons why.
1, its cheap, bike on the race grid for £1850
2, prices originally banded around for the 674 BB kit were costly
3, No head work was allowed and your not going to catch me spending alot of dosh on a BB kit if I can't match the squish and get the flow rates to match
4, a tuned 674 would also need trick carbs again a added cost
5, All the 620s I saw at the time were outside my budget and my budget was set on what money I had left after selling my 748 racebike
6, I'm not bothered about winning just want to be one of the top 583s out there and try and put it over on a few 674s and 620s
As I said keep it cheap keep it simple, spend £2k on a bike and go and have some fun.
Best Cadwell lap for me was a 52.5 and if I could have fitted in more laps I felt as though I had a 51 lap in me.
I'm happy with that, I know I would have been faster on either a 674 or 620, doesn't matter at leat I felt motivated and had some fun dispite the crash and zero points.
For those of you who forgot why we're here :lol::lol::lol:
I've updated the points system...
http://www.domskidue.co.uk/points.htm
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 18:23
Where is my French class ???????? :mad:
Originally posted by dickieducati
out of interest if i enter s.o.t and am the top placed 620 do i get a cup?
A tea cup :D;)
Originally posted by Tonio600
Where is my French class ???????? :mad:
Damn, sorry Tonio... I'm on it now!!! :saint:
Done it :lol::lol::lol:
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by domskidue]
This debate is boring me silly, it was a good post by Dom for a bit of fun about the 2 tables but we always seem to get into the BB debate.
We know there'll always be many differences which provide advantage for one, disadvantage for another. The BB is probably just the most obvious.
Why don't we talk about brake setup? I was easily passing Andy on the brakes into the hairpin, and that's got to have nothing to do with rider ability cos he's in a different league on that count, and nothing to do with engines either since I must've been carrying at least 5mph more but still braking later.
And what's this nonsense about cost? I wish I could post up how much I paid for my pristine 620ie... I shopped around, did some deals and paid peanuts for it. I'd happily bet a winning lottery ticket that I paid less than anyone else on the grid for my bike!
I'm off out to lose some more weight! :lol:
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 18:29
GREAT :bouncy:
Thx Dom
[Edité le 9-5-2005 par Tonio600]
Originally posted by NBs996
I'd happily bet a winning lottery ticket that I paid less than anyone else on the grid for my bike!
I didn't pay for mine... go on then, hand that ticket over, I'll buy you a home gym :D
skidlids
09-May-2005, 18:32
Originally posted by Tonio600
French class ???????? :mad:
Not often two words you would associate with each other :P
Originally posted by domskidue
Originally posted by NBs996
I'd happily bet a winning lottery ticket that I paid less than anyone else on the grid for my bike!
I didn't pay for mine... go on then, hand that ticket over, I'll buy you a home gym :D
How d'you know I paid for mine ;)
Originally posted by skidlids
Originally posted by Tonio600
French class ???????? :mad:
Not often two words you would associate with each other :P
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Originally posted by NBs996
Originally posted by domskidue
Originally posted by NBs996
I'd happily bet a winning lottery ticket that I paid less than anyone else on the grid for my bike!
I didn't pay for mine... go on then, hand that ticket over, I'll buy you a home gym :D
How d'you know I paid for mine ;)
Coz you just said you paid for it...
Originally posted by NBs996
I shopped around, did some deals and paid peanuts for it
:lol::lol::lol:
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by domskidue]
Damn, foiled! There goes my millions :(
Winning Lottery ticket in the post Dom, let me know if it doesn't turn up!
skidlids
09-May-2005, 18:36
Originally posted by domskidue
For those of you who forgot why we're here :lol::lol::lol:
I've updated the points system...
http://www.domskidue.co.uk/points.htm
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Can I object, I didn't crash in race 2 I pulled out with brake failure as the 6 digits on my right hand were obviously more than the brake system could cope with.
Also can I point out you have me on a 600 and yourself on a 600 when I think you will find I was on a 583 and you were on a 674 :P
[Edited on 9-5-2005 by skidlids]
As an outsider in more ways than one a question.
Who is currently on a 583 or 600, that given a 620i would suddenly leap frog up the points?
Originally posted by skidlids
Originally posted by domskidue
For those of you who forgot why we're here :lol::lol::lol:
I've updated the points system...
http://www.domskidue.co.uk/points.htm
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Can I object, I didn't crash in race 2 I pulled out with brake failure as the 6 digits on my right hand were obviously more than the brake system could cope with.
You do realise you'll lose points for not crashing :lol:
Oh dear, this is the best day I've had in a long time.
I can't stop laughing now :D
Thanks guys ;)
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 18:39
Message original : skidlids
Originally posted by Tonio600
French class ???????? :mad:
Not often two words you would associate with each other :P
Coming from an English (?) people, it sounds like:
c'est le Munster qui dit au Camembert "tu pues..." :lol:
But this is another debate I hope we won't go through... I would feel a little bit... alone :lol:
Originally posted by Tonio600
Coming from an English (?) people, it sounds like:
c'est le Munster qui dit au Camembert "tu pues..." :lol:
But this is another debate I hope we won't go through... I would feel a little bit... alone :lol:
My translator says....
it is Munster which says to Camembert cheese "you been able..."
...what on earth have you been drinking Tonio ;)
skidlids
09-May-2005, 18:44
Originally posted by andyb
As an outsider in more ways than one a question.
Who is currently on a 583 or 600, that given a 620i would suddenly leap frog up the points?
If I had managed to finish any of the races on my 583cc then i would be futher up the points than I am now and if I had been on a 620 I would certainly have been lapping faster which may well have translated into a better quallifying slot and put me higher up the field. I know it and thats what matters which is why I'm not bothered abouth the actual position I finish in just as long as I do the best I can on the equipment I have to hand, I could always wheel my M620Sie out for the next round but I'm happy with my 583 apart from the braking, jsut be nice to have a few more 583s out there to dice with.
Tonio600
09-May-2005, 18:47
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I would translate it like this:
2 cheeses are speeking together, a Munster and a Camembert (if you don't know both are very good but the Munster stinks a lot). And the Munster to say: "Ho Camembert, you do stink".
That's it, funny isn't it :lol::lol::lol:
Originally posted by CK and AK
Flanks: they dont do simple:lol::lol:
Erm, I best not answer that, as I'm out gunned big style!
Originally posted by Tonio600
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I would translate it like this:
2 cheeses are speeking together, a Munster and a Camembert (if you don't know both are very good but the Munster stinks a lot). And the Munster to say: "Ho Camembert, you do stink".
That's it, funny isn't it :lol::lol::lol:
It's offical, French sense of humour is only second to the Germans!
Originally posted by Tonio600
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I would translate it like this:
2 cheeses are speeking together, a Munster and a Camembert (if you don't know both are very good but the Munster stinks a lot). And the Munster to say: "Ho Camembert, you do stink".
That's it, funny isn't it :lol::lol::lol:
I'm not drunk, but even I find that funny :lol:
I think it's the way you tell it, Tonio.
Pure genius :D
phoenix n max
09-May-2005, 18:56
Originally posted by skidlids
jsut be nice to have a few more 583s out there to dice with.
Well i'm working on it - but you left the track before I could catch you up :o ;)
Your mate Andy's very friendly isn't he ?
I quite like Dom's new table - it means i'm only one race win behind or therabouts as opposed to real one where i don't stand a chance ever - did someone mention motivation? :lol:
Originally posted by phoenix n max
I quite like Dom's new table - it means i'm only one race win behind or therabouts as opposed to real one where i don't stand a chance ever - did someone mention motivation? :lol:
Oh my god!!!
Thats what this thread is about... at long last, thanks Lin.
Afterall, people seem to be handing out prizes for all sorts of things, and it aint MotoGP, so it doesn't matter if there are 5 points tables.
phoenix n max
09-May-2005, 19:09
Originally posted by domskidue
Originally posted by phoenix n max
I quite like Dom's new table - it means i'm only one race win behind or therabouts as opposed to real one where i don't stand a chance ever - did someone mention motivation? :lol:
Oh my god!!!
Thats what this thread is about... at long last, thanks Lin.
Was just making you suffer Dom before I answered - after all you're one of 'them' now!- (it's a bit like pulling the legs off Daddy Long Legs) :lol:
Originally posted by phoenix n max
you're one of 'them' now!- (it's a bit like pulling the legs off Daddy Long Legs) :lol:
:o:o:o:o:o
I'm staying away from you at CC then ;)
phoenix n max
09-May-2005, 19:16
Originally posted by domskidue
Originally posted by phoenix n max
you're one of 'them' now!- (it's a bit like pulling the legs off Daddy Long Legs) :lol:
:o:o:o:o:o
I'm staying away from you at CC then ;)
Very likely (620 traitor) - just wave on your way past :lol:
Having read the various posts I think the organisors should consider a new championship within the championship.
I propose 'The Max Biaggi Series'
Points would be awarded for 'most whinges' as well as 'Best whinge of the day', as well as the hotly contested 'most deluded whinger in a world of his/her own'
Obviously a consistant whinge about the same subject will score less points with each round, though a good foot stamp and a really sulky face could influence the scoring.
:)Crust
...and the winnah is... :P
stumpy1
09-May-2005, 20:23
Originally posted by crust
Having read the various posts I think the organisors should consider a new championship within the championship.
I propose 'The Max Biaggi Series'
Points would be awarded for 'most whinges' as well as 'Best whinge of the day', as well as the hotly contested 'most deluded whinger in a world of his/her own'
Obviously a consistant whinge about the same subject will score less points with each round, though a good foot stamp and a really sulky face could influence the scoring.
:)Crust
LMAO.....................:D:D
chicken
09-May-2005, 23:51
At this point I would like to claim my 20 crash points - photo evidence in the link below.
http://217.199.188.40/xmb/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=18969&pid=174253
It's about the only way I'm going to get any points at this rate.
ps Tonio, you crack me up.
I've done away with the sillyness now, just got the 3 class tables...
http://www.domskidue.co.uk/points.htm
...unofficial of course :)
Originally posted by dickieducati
from neil spaldings article about the series:
The rules are designed to allow the inveterate fiddlers a chance to build a quick 674, for the rest the easy way in is to buy a 620ie……
By the time we are halfway through the season I'll wager a modified manifold / carburettor 674cc kitted 600 will be making 62 is bhp and a properly built 621cc will be on the same…
if you read the whole article alot is made about carburation not just a case if simply bolting on a big bore kit.
Thanks Dickie, you saved me posting that. By the way BB riders I am reliably imformed that you DON'T want Mikuni flat slides cause they are dam expensive-you want a nice pair of Dellorto's at about £160 the pair. And before you all climb down my throat-yes I know that is more money, but it was in the write up from day one.
By the way, no-one said this would be a 'cheap' form of racing, rather it was intended as the least expensive way to race a Ducati-which is what it's all about. If you want cheap there is always MZ racing-which is also VERY competitive......
John
The objective is to try and provide a format that will promote close racing, keep a lid on costs and put the emphasis on rider ability rather than budget ability, whilst limiting the number of rounds to something manageable for the family man.
The objective hasn't worked out as planned though... and thats no-ones fault, coz no-one knew.
All we are saying is it would be extremely easy to adapt the points system, knowing what we now know.
Will also save BB riders having to spend another £160... and if that doesn't make it more even, then what?
Looks like I'll be OK if rumours are to be believed, but I still stand by a 3 tier points system.
Who will it affect?
It is a DSC event afterall, not a world title at stake :)
skidlids
10-May-2005, 00:58
Originally posted by domskidue
I've done away with the sillyness now, just got the 3 class tables...
http://www.domskidue.co.uk/points.htm
...unofficial of course :)
Looks very good like that, could be a battle between Phil and Geoff for overall champion but that could soon change with a few DNFs
And Mark Foskett is the leading contender for the Brancato engineering prize if my understanding of the AK&CK riders status is correct.
so fed up and bored of this debate....not gonna comment on the BB BHP issue again............................
Phil
PS
Bring on CC..im ready
Originally posted by Monty
....I am reliably imformed that you DON'T want Mikuni flat slides cause they are dam expensive-you want a nice pair of Dellorto's at about £160 the pair. And before you all climb down my throat-yes I know that is more money, but it was in the write up from day one.
John
mmm... Alan was thinking about dragging out the flatsiders out of his Lawson, to see what effect they would have......:eureka: not enough time in the next 3 weeks tho, but maybe late June:puzzled:
C:)
antonye
10-May-2005, 10:47
Originally posted by Monty
By the way BB riders I am reliably imformed that you DON'T want Mikuni flat slides cause they are dam expensive-you want a nice pair of Dellorto's at about £160 the pair.
There goes the £680 I've just blown on those then as that was another recommendation :mad:
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