View Full Version : 996R/998S Owners - a favour please
Henners
22-Jul-2005, 10:04
Just want to make sure that I'm fitting the correct ECU to my 996R. Andyb kindly sent me 3 to try and I'm fitting 50mm open Termis today - can any of you guys/Lily running the same engine and exhaust please let me know what the serial numbers on your ECU are? Many thanks :D
Henners, how urgent is this, Lily and I are both at work, probably won't be able to check until sometime tomorrow as the bikes don't reside where we live.
Saying that Bob has a 54mm system, so doubtful it would be the same anyway
Henners
22-Jul-2005, 10:26
.. no rush. I've got 4 of the things to choose from all different serial numbers :(
Ian Harris
22-Jul-2005, 10:42
I'll check when I get home this evening...probably about 7.00ish, Ian
smilo006
22-Jul-2005, 11:06
67 or 61 600 655 00
Ducati 996R
Ducati 0075A
:roll::roll:
Hope that helps.
antonye
22-Jul-2005, 11:08
Not sure if this is any help, as the ECUs for the 996R/998S were only sold in cans + chips according to the DP catalogue:
Ducati ECU (Fuel Chip) Application List
=======================================
Taken from Ducati SBK Catalogue 2003
(old ECU codes are shown in brackets from 2001 catalogue)
96502394C (08054/1) - 916 Monoposto '94, silencers Racing
965013AAA (08054/3) - 916 Biposto silencers Racing
965015AAA (08054/11) - 996 Racing silencers
965014AAA (08054/6) - 748 Twin-seat silencers Racing
965024AAA (08054/15) - 748R Silencers Racing
96502694C (08054/19) - 916 Monoposto '94, silencers Ø 50
965027AAA (08054/20) - 916 Biposto silencers Ø 50
965025AAA (08054/22) - 996 Silencers Ø 50
96506501B (n/a) - 996S Silencers Racing Ø 50
965028AAA (08054/17) - 748 Biposto silencers Ø 50
965029AAA (08054/18) - 748SPS Silencers Ø 50
965030AAA (08054/16) - 748R Silencers Ø 50
96503394C (08054/2) - 916 Monoposto '94, complete assembly Ø 50
96503494C (08054/4) - 916 Biposto complete assembly Ø 50
965035AAA (08054/5) - 916SP Complete assembly Ø 50
965031AAA (08054/14) - 996 Complete assembly Ø 50
965032AAA (08054/26) - 996SPS/916SPS Complete assembly Ø 50
965036AAA (08054/7) - 748 Biposto complete assembly Ø 50
965044AAA (08054/8) - 748SPS Complete assembly Ø 50
965037AAA (08054/25) - 748R Complete assembly Ø 50
965038AAA (08054/23) - 996 Complete assembly Ø 52
965040AAA (08054/21) - 916 Biposto complete assembly Ø 52
965035AAA (08054/5) - 916 SP Complete assembly Ø 52
965039AAA (08054/24) - 996SPS/916SPS Complete assembly Ø 52
Aluminum silencer set + injection control unit
96418702B (Ø 45) 998 Bip
96419002B (Ø 50) 998S, 996R
Titanium silencer set + injection control unit
96418902B (Ø 45) 998 Bip
96419202B (Ø 50) 998S, 996R
Carbon silencer set + injection control unit
96418802B (Ø 45) 998 Bip
96419102B (Ø 50) 998S, 996R
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Ducati Sporting Club
http://www.DucatiSportingClub.com/
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Rattler
22-Jul-2005, 11:29
Can check later and let you know.
Tim
smilo006
22-Jul-2005, 11:40
By the way, 996R running 50 mm open carbon termi's.
Henners
22-Jul-2005, 13:04
I've just given the bike a quick run on the standard ECU with the 50mm Termis fitted and as you'd expect she's not happy. Smilo - I have an ECU that matches the serial number you quoted; as it runs fine for you then that could be the one. Will just wait for Ian and Tim to confirm later.
BTW guys, on the other side of this ECU there's a label marked: IAW 59M.A4/HW0101/0115_115 12V= 144 01 then a bar code and OL+DD8P58. Is yours the same Smilo?
Henners,
I'll check mine tonight as well.
I have the standard ECU in mine and running 50mm termis, and she is now running well, slight flat spot at arounf 5000 rpm but apart from that no worries.
antonye
22-Jul-2005, 15:07
IAW 59M is the Weber ECU unit - the name of that whole module.
12v is a reference to the supply voltage.
There's a thread about the same thing (in German) here:
http://www.ducati-kaemna.de/forum/read.php?f=1&i=1584&t=1584
numbers on mine are
61600.630.00
IAW 59M.A2
IAW 59.A2/HW010/0115_099
Bar code OH5CV-958
thats it.
Henners
22-Jul-2005, 21:08
.. right Tim, Ian and Shaun ... before you hit the Pinot Grigio this evening ferret about under those fairings and give me the good news :D:D:D
Ian Harris
22-Jul-2005, 21:27
Apologies for the delay...unavoidably detained at a licensed establishment!
I'm wondering if my info is relevent, I just have the carbon termis that come with the R fitted... are they 50mm? I can definitely confirm that they're open :D
The only markings on the "outside" of the ECU are:
IAW59M996R DUCATI 007
and
S10DB097
My "standard" ECU has a sticker with:
96507502B and a barcode of 61600.630.00
but the equivilent stickers on the ECU on the bike have come off.
Not much use I'm afraid... now where's that Pinot Grigiot?
Rattler
22-Jul-2005, 21:35
Ok numbers on mine are;
Rearside
96507502B
Centralina XSIL D50 996R/998S
CPU for SILENC D50 996R/998S
Frontside
IAW 59M.A2
IAW 59M.A2/HW010/0115_099
12V=197 02
OH5IIU97C
And its a Borollo - with nice big steak!!
HTH
Tim
Ian Harris
22-Jul-2005, 21:38
Originally posted by Rattler
Ok numbers on mine are;
Rearside
96507502B
Centralina XSIL D50 996R/998S
CPU for SILENC D50 996R/998S
Tim
I have a sneaking suspicion this means that I have the standard CPU fitted with the open pipes as what I thought was the standard CPU matches Tim's "Frontside" markings...I guess the D50 is a kind of giveaway.
Rattler
22-Jul-2005, 21:44
Originally posted by Ian Harris
Originally posted by Rattler
Ok numbers on mine are;
Rearside
96507502B
Centralina XSIL D50 996R/998S
CPU for SILENC D50 996R/998S
Tim
I have a sneaking suspicion this means that I have the standard CPU fitted with the open pipes as what I thought was the standard CPU matches Tim's "Frontside" markings...I guess the D50 is a kind of giveaway.
Yep - if SIL make Termigs?
And it looks like CPU for SILENC(ers) with a D(iameter of)50(mm)
Rattler
22-Jul-2005, 21:44
Also interesting that my race CPU is marked up as 998S - how long after the 996R was released did they start to sell the 998S?
Tim
The only numbers I can see ar
IAW95M 996R DUCATI007
S10DB104
Henners
22-Jul-2005, 22:46
I said earlier to antonye that this is a minefield and I didn't at the time realise I was strolling through it :lol: Get out the wine, enjoy your evening. Confused of Coventry signing off :o
Bike fitted with 50mm carbon open termis produces 132bhp on the dyno has the follwing ECU fitted.
61600.655.00
996R
DUCATI007SA
IAW 59M A4
IAW 59M A4/HW010/0115-115
12v 144 01
0L+DEYP58.
The one with the road legal pipes which i've never fitted has the following.
61600.630.00
996R
DUCATI007
IAW 59M.A2
IAW 59M.A2/HW010/0115-099
12V= 142 01
0H5GG-M5B.
Hope that helps rather than confuses. The previous owner who had it from new told me that everything is as it came from the factory, with nothing changed (i.e. he didn't buy or swop any of the pipes or ECU's)
Good Night.
[Edited on 23-7-2005 by BDG]
Henners
23-Jul-2005, 08:34
... you're a Star - that's an exact match :burn: I'm off this morning to fit it, looks like I owe AndyB some beer vouchers :D
Henners
23-Jul-2005, 15:44
... been out to Moto Rapido to meet up with Chef and the bike is superb. Sounds awesome - doesn't it R-L? - and is fueling superbly :D:D:D Thanks all for taking the time and effort to give me the info H
Ian Harris
23-Jul-2005, 16:24
Originally posted by Henners
... you're a Star - that's an exact match
Yeah Shaun, many thanks...your "standard" ECU markings match my non-fitted one, so I guess the one on the bike is the correct "open pipes" one.
Cheers, Ian
So its all working.....thats excellent!
Henners
23-Jul-2005, 17:04
... you're another Star. Folk like you make this club the creme de la creme Ducati club in the UK :D
All's well that end's well.
Glad you like the result.
(Typed by Louise age 6)
Originally posted by Rattler
Also interesting that my race CPU is marked up as 998S - how long after the 996R was released did they start to sell the 998S?
Tim
Tim,
the 998S came along 12 months after the 996R
the R is a 2001 model and the S is a 2002 model.
The S is supposedly pretty much the same engine as the R but it gained a full one horsepower in the ensuing 12 months.
Henners
24-Jul-2005, 12:08
That's right, the main difference I can see is the 996R has the sand-cast crankcases. The R has the titanium conrods and I'm not sure if they made it to the S, which could be a worry when fitting the race CPU to that engine as it raises the rev limiter.
Henners I don't think the R has Ti conrods? In fact I'm almost positive it does'nt
Rattler
24-Jul-2005, 12:38
Originally posted by Jon
Henners I don't think the R has Ti conrods? In fact I'm almost positive it does'nt
I'll just go and check............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .............................nah - it doesn't ;)
Henners
24-Jul-2005, 15:29
From Ducati Technical cafe
996R 2001: Technical Specifications
ENGINE
Max Power: 136 Hp @ 10200 rpm
Max Torque: 101 Nm @ 8000 rpm
Bore and Stroke: 100 x 63.5 mm
Displacement: 998 cc
Compression Ratio: 11.4: 1
Timing System: DOCH, Desmodromic 4 valves per cylinder
Inlet Valves: 40 mm
Exhaust Valves: 33 mm
Special Pankl con-rods Weber-Marelli electronic injection, single "shower" injector per cylinder, 54mm throttle body. New ECU M5.9
12V - 350W electrical equipment with 12 Volt 16 Ah battery
Wet sump forced lubrication, 4 liters oil
Dry, multiplates, hydraulic actuated clutch
6-speed gearbox
Pretty sure those Pankl con-rods are Ti :)
Only 136hp........you wanna get a powerful Ducati......:lol::lol:
I must have one of the cheapo versions as all of my literature states mine is 135bhp.
So theres my excuse for being slow:D
136 is the std performance figure for the 996r and 998s........the r did have ti rods, the 998 has steel. Both had the sand cast deep sump.
But this is all so yesterday........................:P
Rattler
24-Jul-2005, 15:48
Originally posted by andyb
Only 136hp........you wanna get a powerful Ducati......:lol::lol:
Wouldn't want one of those cheaper 999Rs - ;)
Henners
24-Jul-2005, 17:45
Depends Tim .... how cheap? ;)
Rattler
24-Jul-2005, 19:18
Originally posted by Henners
Depends Tim .... how cheap? ;)
it depends how long it takes to bring out the next 999 !!!! ;)
so, from reading this my bike is just as good as 996r...
ducking for cover....
only joking btw... :burn:
[Edited on 24-7-2005 by Lily]
Originally posted by Henners
Depends Tim .... how cheap? ;)
Its got to be that time to change again H on recent form?:lol:
Rattler
24-Jul-2005, 20:10
Originally posted by Lily
so, from reading this my bike is just as good as 996r...
Yep ;)
ducking for cover....
only joking btw... :burn:
[Edited on 24-7-2005 by Lily]
Henners
25-Jul-2005, 02:14
Andy, the 999R is a wonderful bike and i'd defo have one in the garage, what I'm saying is that it would have to be at the right price :frog:
Lil - I thought the 998S was the same as the 996R until I bought one - sorry my love, it isn't :)
smilo006
25-Jul-2005, 12:55
by the way mine runs just fine with the ecu mentioned. How the riders rides is of course another question.
The only thing I can say is that the carbon exhausts seem to have mis coloured because they run so hot. :barfy:
Originally posted by Henners
Andy, the 999R is a wonderful bike and i'd defo have one in the garage, what I'm saying is that it would have to be at the right price :frog:
Lil - I thought the 998S was the same as the 996R until I bought one - sorry my love, it isn't :)
Reckon youll be starting a thread soon, "How many elitists have we on the site?" :frog::lol::lol:
breakout
30-Jul-2005, 16:11
Originally posted by andyb
136 is the std performance figure for the 996r and 998s........the r did have ti rods, the 998 has steel. Both had the sand cast deep sump.
But this is all so yesterday........................:P
yes but not the NC milled titanium Corse rods just the cheepies
rcgbob44
30-Jul-2005, 23:00
Spot on AndyB
Originally posted by Lily
so, from reading this my bike is just as good as 996r...
ducking for cover....
only joking btw... :burn:
[Edited on 24-7-2005 by Lily]
for me i can only think of baked beans
the 996r you see is the hienz variety
the 998s is on the same shelf (like the tescos value baked beans)and a bit cheaper may be even better value but doesnt quite taste the same.
i guess its about taste, we all need our proteen,
i see many club racers start from the grid on the (value brand beans) and many races have been won.
the hienz variety are derived from what was the worlds finest. the hand built engine truely something for the disearning riders breakfast table
I have also seen that the hienz can be claimed to produce a a larger bottom burp, probably that hand built engine kinda special feel to it the R eh?
il get me coat :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:
[Edited on 30-7-2005 by Bungi]
Beans!! - you're comparing my new bike to Tesco's beans!!!!!!
Another analogy:
998R - Barolo
996R - Rosso Di Montalcino
998s - Chianti Classico (my favorite)
998 - Sangiovese
1000RR - Warm Sake
So second best isn't bad
Ciao
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