View Full Version : 749S Is this a good price/ HP outstanding????
Have the chance to buy the following standard bike for £6250 HPI clear etc. Whats your thoughts?
April 05 Ducati 749s Biposto. Red. 20 months full manufacturers warranty remaining from Riders Ducati in Bristol. 560 dry miles. This bike has been kept in my house since I have bought it and not in a garage/shed. It is in immaculate condition and still virtually brand new. It is a UK bike with all the documentation and I have a genuine reason for the very reluctant sale.
[Edited on 7-8-2005 by itexuk]
[Edited on 8-8-2005 by itexuk]
Twinfan
07-Aug-2005, 21:27
Seems VERY cheap for a brand new bike. They're £8795 retail, so it's lost £2545 in four months if it goes for that price...
Originally posted by Twinfan
Seems VERY cheap for a brand new bike. They're £8795 retail, so it's lost £2545 in four months if it goes for that price...
List price is actually £9795 . Surely, it must be dodgy or a msitake :puzzled:
that is cheap, i've been looking for a while and just paid £6175 for an 04 749s with 1500 on the clock.
it could be an [unofficial] import (which i think mine is) and i've seen them on sale new around £7300 (kjmsuperbike.com to name one).
if it's the new style swingarm etc then i'd bit his/her hand off, either way it sounds like a bargain
Twinfan
08-Aug-2005, 10:00
List price is actually £9795
Sorry - I misread and didn't realise it was an 'S'.
MUST be an unofficial import, in which case I'd check out the warranty situation before buying.
[Edited on 8-8-2005 by Twinfan]
Michael J
08-Aug-2005, 11:04
I'm a bit confused. Are you selling the bike or buying it? If you're buying it and its a UK bike in mint condition as it appears, its a great price. If you're selling it, its very cheap and probably less money than an '04 bike.:puzzled:
Twinfan
08-Aug-2005, 11:35
Why is it so cheap though? Smells fishy to me, unless the seller needs a REALLY quick sale?
I'm buying, that was his advert. Its a UK 04 spec 05 reg bike from Riders Bristol, think he needs a quick sale, was on E bay but did not reach reserve. I bid £6150 and he has come back to me at £6250 which he says was his reserve. Going to look at bike / get HPI and will take it from there.
Thanks all for your comments
Michael J
08-Aug-2005, 15:51
Get him to meet you halfway on the difference:frog:
Twinfan
08-Aug-2005, 15:59
That's an '04 model bike or earlier as it has the grey frame and older style swingarm. That would explain the low price, but even so it's very cheap. Check everything out before buying, and good luck!
Bike has got £3225 outstanding HP on it, if I buy it do I pay HP company or what?????
Pete
from exerience I wouldn't touch it until the HP is clear.
Steve M
08-Aug-2005, 17:46
Originally posted by itexuk
Bike has got £3225 outstanding HP on it, if I buy it do I pay HP company or what?????
Pete
If the current owner doesn't pay the rest of the debt then the bike remains the property of the HP company and they can reposses it to sell on to cover the debt, with HP it is not owned by the keeper until paid for in full.
Any one know if I can pay the HP Co the amount outstanding and then the balance to him???
or all to HP company and they pay balance to him.
and how do I do that
Originally posted by ak47
from exerience I wouldn't touch it until the HP is clear.
He does not have the funds to clear HP until he sells the bike
Originally posted by itexuk
Originally posted by ak47
from exerience I wouldn't touch it until the HP is clear.
He does not have the funds to clear HP until he sells the bike
Make a payment to the HP company for the outstanding balance and ask for them to send you a letter to verify that the dept has been settled and the remaining balance to the owner.
Originally posted by JohnDa
Originally posted by itexuk
Originally posted by ak47
from exerience I wouldn't touch it until the HP is clear.
He does not have the funds to clear HP until he sells the bike
Make a payment to the HP company for the outstanding balance and ask for them to send you a letter to verify that the dept has been settled and the remaining balance to the owner.
Am not sure about that, as you are elying on him selling you the bike once you have cleared his debt.
It might be sfaer for you both to go to the HP companies offices and exchange cheques, receipts and V5 documentation at the same time and same place. Assuming the HP company are happy to take a cheque form you. They may prefer bankers draft.
The Big Red One
09-Aug-2005, 22:27
Take him to the bank and get him to pay it there and then with BACS. We did this with the car. Never had any problems. He needs to get a settlement figure in writing from them and take it into the bank when he pays the balance in full. You get the proof of payment. Job done. Make sure you check the date on the settlement paper work as it only lasts for 2 weeks before the price changes again. hope this is some help
Thanks for all your help, all sorted by mid next week when I pick up bike.
Got myself a bargain, seen bike, docs, etc etc + spoke to HP company Black Horse who are sending me a copy of the settlement figure. Have agreed with seller and Blachkhorse that I will phone them from his house with my Debit card details to clear HP and pay balance to seller.
Got it for a bargain £6100.
:sing:
I bought a car with HP still on it.
just paid of the company then gave the seller the remainder which wasn't much by then. must of been gutted
Originally posted by itexuk
Thanks for all your help, all sorted by mid next week when I pick up bike.
Got myself a bargain, seen bike, docs, etc etc + spoke to HP company Black Horse who are sending me a copy of the settlement figure. Have agreed with seller and Blachkhorse that I will phone them from his house with my Debit card details to clear HP and pay balance to seller.
Got it for a bargain £6100.
:sing:
The original owner took a big hit there for just 560 miles (running it in or racing :puzzled: ). I hope he got it for a good price when he bought it. It seems you got a bargain though. Enjoy :burn:
Gather he pair £7495 from Riders Bristol, he needs to sell ( Cash problems ) and it is a buyers market. Tyres not scrubbbbbed in yet so not been thrashed for its 541 miles.
Just loking forward to picking it up next week.:burn::sing:
Now need to sell my 750SS which is in mint condition, E Bay here I come
Originally posted by itexuk
Tyres not scrubbbbbed in yet so not been thrashed for its 541 miles.
It'll need its first service in 80 miles time!
Sounds like you got a bargain,nice one.
Originally posted by Twinfan
Seems VERY cheap for a brand new bike. They're £8795 retail, so it's lost £2545 in four months if it goes for that price...
nah, riders were selling the remainding UK stock back in May, they were not much over £7k. Basically you get what you pay for, an underpowered bag of spanners ; )
Twinfan
15-Aug-2005, 10:37
you get what you pay for
Exactly, that's why I bought an '04 749S :)
Originally posted by RCA
nah, riders were selling the remainding UK stock back in May, they were not much over £7k. Basically you get what you pay for, an underpowered bag of spanners ; )
R1 '05 - AKRAPOVIC - POWER COMMANDER - RENTHAL - DID - K&N - CRG - GILLES - DNA - HEL
Is that you Nori-san :puzzled: You are a riding god :ninja:
Originally posted by RCA
Originally posted by Twinfan
Seems VERY cheap for a brand new bike. They're £8795 retail, so it's lost £2545 in four months if it goes for that price...
nah, riders were selling the remainding UK stock back in May, they were not much over £7k. Basically you get what you pay for, an underpowered bag of spanners ; )
Hi RCA,
Never been one to knock another bikers bike, we are all bikers what ever we ride. R1 is a nice bike mate but I prefer my bag of spanners than yours, at least mine's a Ducati:D
we are all bikers what ever we ride.
Teenage moped chavs are not 'bikers'.
R1 is a nice bike mate
The best in its class, thanks.
at least mine's a Ducati:D
So your single requirement for this purchase was that it had to have 'Ducati' written on the tank? Performance & looks were irrelevant? This is typical of someone who is buying into the 'Ducati' brand for all the wrong reasons. My feeling is that this is a compulsive purchase and you are buying it because it is cheap, buy hey, it gets you onto a ‘Ducati’. I rode this bike for half a day and it is seriously underpowered, and has zero grunt, (almost on the verge of being dangerous, given its weight). It sounds totally naff, so you will need another £1000 (which you will not see back) to sort the sound out, and finally you will get a sorry return when you come to sell it, which you will. Given Iam a massive fan of the 998 (and still looking for my baby) I cannot understand why anyone would buy what is basically a **** Ducati bike. I do not care who designed it or the glory, or the name on the tank, etc, it is still a **** bike with a pathetic engine. Next you’ll be buying a Benelli cause they are cheap….That said, if you want your ‘poor mans’ Ducati, good luck, and ride safely (don't worry this is the 749s only mode), and I’ll see you behind, sorry, around.
Enjoy it….
Twinfan
15-Aug-2005, 23:32
So your single requirement for this purchase was that it had to have 'Ducati' written on the tank? Performance & looks were irrelevant? This is typical of someone who is buying into the 'Ducati' brand for all the wrong reasons. My feeling is that this is a compulsive purchase and you are buying it because it is cheap, buy hey, it gets you onto a ‘Ducati’. I rode this bike for half a day and it is seriously underpowered, and has zero grunt, (almost on the verge of being dangerous, given its weight). It sounds totally naff, so you will need another £1000 (which you will not see back) to sort the sound out, and finally you will get a sorry return when you come to sell it, which you will. Given Iam a massive fan of the 998 (and still looking for my baby) I cannot understand why anyone would buy what is basically a [Censored] Ducati bike. I do not care who designed itor the glory, or the name on the tank, etc, it is still a [Censored] bike with a pathetic engine. Next you’ll be buying a Benelli cause they are cheap….That said, if you want your ‘poor mans’ Ducati, good luck, and ride safely (don't worry this is the 749s only mode), and I’ll see you behind, sorry, around.
Enjoy it….
1) The 749 will feel slow if you're used to an R1. There's a 50bhp difference, so what did you expect?
2) This is a Ducati forum. We are quite likely to sing the praises of Ducatis.
3) I find your attitude uncalled for. Please go back to the MCN forum where you belong.
So your single requirement for this purchase was that it had to have 'Ducati' written on the tank? Performance & looks were irrelevant? This is typical of someone who is buying into the 'Ducati' brand for all the wrong reasons. My feeling is that this is a compulsive purchase and you are buying it because it is cheap, buy hey, it gets you onto a ‘Ducati’. I rode this bike for half a day and it is seriously underpowered, and has zero grunt, (almost on the verge of being dangerous, given its weight). It sounds totally naff, so you will need another £1000 (which you will not see back) to sort the sound out, and finally you will get a sorry return when you come to sell it, which you will. Given Iam a massive fan of the 998 (and still looking for my baby) I cannot understand why anyone would buy what is basically a <b>[Censored]</b> Ducati bike. I do not care who designed it or the glory, or the name on the tank, etc, it is still a <b>[Censored]</b> bike with a pathetic engine. Next you’ll be buying a Benelli cause they are cheap….That said, if you want your ‘poor mans’ Ducati, good luck, and ride safely (don't worry this is the 749s only mode), and I’ll see you behind, sorry, around.
Enjoy it…. [/quote]
Obviously the A in RCA stands for A>R>S>E>H>O>L>E.
Really don't see the reson for a newbie to come on here and start f**king other people and there bikes off.
Follow the link provided by dsered and don't come back.
Really don't see the reson for a newbie to come on here and start f**king other people and there bikes off.
****ing other people? Er, is that really possible via a message board, or are we talking virtual sex?
So I take it if one has a negative opinion on any Ducati bike, one is not welcome here? Hhmm, I don't believe you speak for the majority of memebers, they cannot be all as blinkered as you are. I assume in your case, it does'nt even have to say Ducati on the tank, it just has to be red.
1) The 749 will feel slow if you're used to an R1. There's a 50bhp difference, so what did you expect?
It is underpowered, end of.
2) This is a Ducati forum. We are quite likely to sing the praises of Ducatis.
Take your blinkers off and get yourself an opinion.
3) I find your attitude uncalled for. Please go back to the MCN forum where you belong.
Attitude? Have I been rude? Have I been offensive? No, I have simply voiced my opinion. So zip it fatty.
Michael J
16-Aug-2005, 10:31
You've made your point RCA. You can leave now since this is going nowhere. You're obviously well 'ard and measure your masculinity by the top speed of your bike.
Personally, I like the looks of the R1 best of all the litre bikes but it's full performance is unusable on the roads whereas you can utilise all the 749's performance and that's the fun of it. I rode my 749s home from Coventry (JHP) to North Wales last Friday and couldn't get the grin off my face. I didn't scare myself shitless, I just had a good fast ride on some great roads.
It's pointless comparing the two bikes and after all, one man's meat is another mans poison. Now be off with you.:sing:
Twinfan
16-Aug-2005, 11:26
1) The 749 will feel slow if you're used to an R1. There's a 50bhp difference, so what did you expect?
It is underpowered, end of.
2) This is a Ducati forum. We are quite likely to sing the praises of Ducatis.
Take your blinkers off and get yourself an opinion.
3) I find your attitude uncalled for. Please go back to the MCN forum where you belong.
Attitude? Have I been rude? Have I been offensive? No, I have simply voiced my opinion. So zip it fatty.
I really don't get your attitude. Yes you have been offensive, and yes you have been rude. What's with the "fatty" comment anyway? Very personal, and you don't have a clue what I look like.
A 749 is underpowered, end of? Underpowered for what? Compared to what? You don't make sense.
Take my blinkers off and get an opinion? I have one thanks - the 749S is the best bike I've ever ridden. Irrespective of the name on the tank, it suits my riding style, I love the looks and I'm very happy with it.
I think you'll find you're the one with blinkers on...
Originally posted by RCA
Really don't see the reson for a newbie to come on here and start f**king other people and there bikes off.
****ing other people? Er, is that really possible via a message board, or are we talking virtual sex?
So I take it if one has a negative opinion on any Ducati bike, one is not welcome here? Hhmm, I don't believe you speak for the majority of memebers, they cannot be all as blinkered as you are. I assume in your case, it does'nt even have to say Ducati on the tank, it just has to be red.
A negative opinion is one thing, coming on here and being rude an acting the **** is another. A guy has just realised "his" dream of buying a Ducati, it may not be your choice but it is his and you come over all contrasending to him.
As for virtual sex I assume you would know lots about that, sorry I don't - so can't answer your question.
As for the type or colour of my bike what the f**k has it got to do with you?
LesPaul
16-Aug-2005, 15:57
I was always told if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all, bearing that in mind
itexuk, nice to meet you on Saturday at the DD races, hope you like your 749 and spend all that money you saved on petrol and tyres enjoying it, I've attatched a picture of my old 749 (Black wheels is a good option ;) )
Twinfan, nice to meet you at Donington too, like the sound of your colour scheme, you'll have to put pictures up when it's back :)
RCA .................................................. ...........
Darren
mate of mine just bought a 999 bip,on a 54 plate,04 spec.200 miles on it.mint as £7300.uk bike with 16 monthe warranty left.
Twinfan
16-Aug-2005, 16:54
Daz - I'll certainly get some pics up. It's being finsihed this week (dropped it off this morning) and I'm hoping to get it back by the weekend. Fingers crossed! Bolted some bling on at the weekend, and it's looking a million dollars :D
Hold on. If someone is after a bargain then my '03 999 Bip is available for a little more than £6k for quick sale. See FS section.
Here's a message for mr R1.
I just bought a new 749 Biposto because I wanted character.
I've owned R6's, R1's etc and they are a bit bland. The duke will out handle most of them and as for power compared to the tuned ZX12R I just traded in all R1's are feeble. Jumping off the 12 they're barely distinguishable from a 600.
I buy bikes that I think will improve me as a rider and at present I'm pretty crap on a twin but I think if I can master them I'll be a better rider generally.
On track days an R1 will rarely keep with a well ridden larger capacity Duke, so twins look like the way forward after all when did an R1 last win a British or World Superbike title?
RCA states that a 749 is underpowered (presumably in comparison to his R1) - but this is bound to be the case given that the R1 has a 250cc capacity advantage and is a four pot. even if the capacity was the same, it is recognised that a four pot will make more power than a twin of the same capacity and racing eg: supersport rules reflect this by allowing 750 twins to race with 600 4 pots.
he misses the point somewhat i feel. ultimate power is not everything and in fact on an everyday road bike huge power can compromise the all round ability of the bike and certainly limits the enjoyment of it - low down grunt is where it's at on a road bike. i'm sure some of you must have read the magazine article which demonstrated that although the R6's bhp has gone up year on year (due to marketing pressures), this has been at the expense of midrange torque and driveability. the testers got readers to blind test a "detuned" R6 and a stock R6 back to back, and all of them thought that the detuned R6 was a better, faster bike. why? because road riding doesn't sit well with revving the living daylights out of a bike with a narrow powerband.
i digress...
nonetheless, if RCA is insecure enough to need the pub bragging rights provided by a couple of tenths off the 0 - 60 time or 15mph on the top speed which is never, ever going to be used, then good luck to him. we ducati owners are secure enough in the size of our tackle and our sexual orientation that we don't feel the need to rely on arbitary and largely meaningless bhp figures to bolster a nagging sense of self doubt which can only be assuaged by having the fastest, most powerful sportsbike on the market (which incidentally, the R1 is no longer, having been surpassed by the gixxer thou and, i think, the kwakker).
i seem to remember reading an interview with a certain mr v. rossi (apparently he rides bikes for a living) wherein he stated that his R1 is far too fast for the road and so he prefers riding his FJR1300 or his 450 supermoto. i'm sure than none of us would argue that rossi isn't capable of handling a powerful bike, so when he makes such a statement, we must treat the words falling from his godlike lips with something approaching reverence.
[Edited on 26-8-2005 by zhed44]
[Edited on 26-8-2005 by zhed44]
RCA IS A PRATT of the first order
RCA...
You, Me, now! pick a track. (bet it's snetterton or the M1, R1 riders pray for straights)
:bouncy:
Well, if biking is all about who has the most power, we would all have supercharged harleys. but, thank god, its not. some have jap bikes, some have soul.
Maybe the 1000cc jap IL4's on the road are just natures way of killing off the RCA's of this world??? mother nature has her ways..
Poor old RCA, that told him. But lets not forget Rossi isn't a road rider and a 1000cc four will always beat a 600cc four. Their both useable like a twin in their own way if you know how to get the best out of them. The problem is the 1000's as I found out don't go a lot faster over a given course of bends and straights or a track than the 600's. But to go not much faster and run a higher risk of highside you'll chew tyres out nearly 3 times faster and if you do take it easy they still use a lot of fuel, where a 600 can top 70mpg cruising at about 70mph on a long journey. Add in extra costs of insurance and purchase price the 600 makes far more sense unless your racing.
I don't yet know if it's the same with twins, I had a new SV650 a few years ago but it didn't do it for me so I chopped it in fairly quickly for a new R6.
I bought my 749 to give twins another go because I'm bored with 4's but I've no idea wether a 999 is better on the road or not taking all factors into consideration, but if I get on well with this bike I'll upgrade to the 999 even if only for a short time.
RightSaidFred
01-Sep-2005, 01:10
Guys, people like that RCA thrive on you all keep replying and winding it up more and more. Just ignore him is the best way I reckon. If he posts again don't credit it with a reply...:mad:
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