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TP
01-Sep-2005, 17:08
Yeah I know we've done this one, but it was a while ago ... and I'm rediscovering some music at the moment ....

Currently TP has selections from the following bands on shuffle in Media Player:

Alice in Chains
Stone Temple Pilots
Soundgarden
Pearl Jam
Foo Fighters

In particular I'm really getting into Alice in Chains - I used to listen to this album lots when I had a flat in Sydney with a mate of mine. Ahh ... reminiscing ...

Did I mention I have tickets to see the Foo's later :D:D:D:D

dickieducati
01-Sep-2005, 17:11
did i mention you need to get out more!

TP
01-Sep-2005, 17:11
Originally posted by dickieducati
did i mention you need to get out more!

I will be - Foo's here I come!!!

You're just jealous ;)

JPM
01-Sep-2005, 17:14
Would love to see the Foo's but it's always flippin' festivals, and I'm not standing in a muddy field all day.

Currently on the ipod I've got

Kaiser Chiefs
Gorrillaz
Sparks - The best of :D
Depeche Mode - new single and remixes :D
Then it all gets messy with loads of dance etc and a few podcasts

TP
01-Sep-2005, 17:22
No muddy fields for me my norvern monkey, I've done plenty of festivals - I'll be seeing them at Earl's Court :D

JPM
01-Sep-2005, 17:25
Hang on your my southern gimp... how can I be your Northern Monkey :puzzled:

TP
01-Sep-2005, 17:27
Originally posted by JPM
Hang on your my southern gimp... how can I be your Northern Monkey :puzzled:

Because you're awake now. Go check the mirror, you'll have qwertyuiop across your forehead.

:D

JPM
01-Sep-2005, 17:29
Oh I'm awake old chap..

Just looked on good old ticketmaster Foo's all sold out at the MEN :(

Looks like an expensive trawl on Ebay then for me

TP
01-Sep-2005, 17:32
Originally posted by JPM
Oh I'm awake old chap..

Just looked on good old ticketmaster Foo's all sold out at the MEN :(

Looks like an expensive trawl on Ebay then for me

Yeah, we missed the first and second batches of tickets and ended up paying twice the face value. But, it's still a lot less than what they are already.

I'm feeling it aleady, it's going to be HUGE! I'm making some big plans for that night ;)

Nigel C
01-Sep-2005, 19:14
You need the link thingy on my profile
Im still fine tuning mine and it beats getting up and changing a cd every now and again

TP
01-Sep-2005, 19:20
Originally posted by Nigel C
You need the link thingy on my profile
Im still fine tuning mine and it beats getting up and changing a cd every now and again

Ooh, sanitarium live!

Ozz
01-Sep-2005, 19:36
Currently:

Seether
Rush
Good Charlotte

TP
01-Sep-2005, 19:41
Me and Nige (if he listens to his own launchcast, which I assume he does) are having a Pink Floyd moment just now.

Shine on you crazy Diamond.

god I wish they'd tour ....

phillc
01-Sep-2005, 20:10
Currently on my MP3 player, mixing it up between:

Bloc Party
Idlewild
Art of Fighting
Live
Green Day
Powderfinger

swannymere
01-Sep-2005, 21:14
I am currently grooving to:Stevie Wonder-Innervisions,Spiritualized-Ladies and Gentlemen.......,Best of The Beautiful South?,The Wannadies-Skellefta,Oasis-The Masterplan,Dusty Springfield-Live in Memphis(IF YOU DON'T OWN THIS,BUY IT NOW!) and Underworld-second toughest.......;)

Nigel C
01-Sep-2005, 22:31
Originally posted by TP
Me and Nige (if he listens to his own launchcast, which I assume he does) are having a Pink Floyd moment just now.

Shine on you crazy Diamond.

god I wish they'd tour ....

not at 6.41 i wasn't but got some track from division bell right now

TP
02-Sep-2005, 15:10
Regurgitator

:D

Craig G
02-Sep-2005, 15:21
Ahhh dudes, whats the average ages on this forum ? :P What you people need is some hmmm....

Feeling rocky ?

36 Crazyfists
Thrice
Metallica (ofcourse!!)
Children of Bodom
Slipknot (hides)

maybe drifting more emo-esque

My Chemical Romance
Bullet for my Valentine
The Used
Biffy Clyro

Then the pure awesome new punk rock that is

Less Than Jake
Goldfinger
Reel Big Fish
NOFX
Bad Religion (old school)

ok ok, i understand....../em unsubscribes from forum


[Edited on 2-9-2005 by Craig G]

TP
02-Sep-2005, 16:06
I'm 29 Craig!

As is evidenced by the fact that I'm now listening to ....

They Might Be Giants :D

Ian Harris
02-Sep-2005, 16:22
Random play's throwing up a nice chronological range:

Ressurection Shuffle (Ashton, Gardner & Dyke)
Lean on Me (Carter USM)
Transmission (Joy Division)
Scooby Snacks (Fun Lovin Criminals)
The Pusher (Steppenwolf)

Nothing from the noughties though, I don't think there's been anything good yet (too hot for a coat, so I'll just scarper!)

TP
04-Sep-2005, 00:37
Rage Against The Machine

Not that I'm angry or anything ...

Funnily enough, the title of the song on now is - Calm Like a Bomb

:D

Ian Harris
04-Sep-2005, 00:43
Aretha Franklin: A Change Is Gonna Come...what a track, what a performance......awesome :D :D :D

I think I better turn it up a little, so the neighbours can enjoy it as well!

TP
04-Sep-2005, 00:51
Originally posted by Ian Harris
Aretha Franklin: A Change Is Gonna Come...what a track, what a performance......awesome :D :D :D

I think I better turn it up a little, so the neighbours can enjoy it as well!

:o

Your "Mindsets a threat"

Ian Harris
04-Sep-2005, 01:13
Originally posted by TP

Your "Mindsets a threat"

In My Eyes [/], I was adding to the neighbour's quality of life by providing some quality sounds, but I think I hear [i] The Sound Of Da Police and, with their new powers to confiscate stereo gear, I think I'll settle for some nice, gentle Aimee Mann :saint:

Ian Harris
04-Sep-2005, 01:14
Fook, wot happened to my italics :o

TP
04-Sep-2005, 01:18
Italics went south!

I've decided I need to unwind a bit ... I'm now listening to "Set the controls for the heart of the Sun" - Pink Floyd from Ummagumma.

Those boys took some SERIOUS drugs!!! :D

Ian Harris
04-Sep-2005, 01:28
Originally posted by TP
I'm now listening to "Set the controls for the heart of the Sun"

I just loved Monty's quote from an earlier thread:


Originally posted by Monty
Saw the Floyd live in Hyde Park in 1970? I think. There was a series of free concerts and they were on one of them. They played 'Set the Controls' from Saucerful of Secrets and the sun came out-freaked us all out, mind you we were all stoned at the time


How cool must that have been?

Talking of cool, now listening to "Respect Yourself" by the Staple Singers...soooopurb :D (If a little old fashioned)

TP
04-Sep-2005, 01:36
I'm now onto "Shine on you Crazy Diamond"

I was reading that quote from Monty and thought hang about, I've cocked up my album for "Set the controls ..." but it was actually on Ummagumma and Saucerful of Secrets. I have both so I didn't really notice it .... I guess when I first started getting into Pink Floyd it was all a bit of a blur - ahem.

Here's a good discography link for Pink Floyd (http://www.pinkfloydonline.com/discography.html) - brilliant musicians!

TP
04-Sep-2005, 01:43
Ooh, Careful with that Axe Eugene ;)

Ian Harris
04-Sep-2005, 01:46
I was going to shut up shop for the night, as I hope to go out for the Kent meet tomorrow morning, but all this Floyd talk hs got me yearning for some Echos , and its only a short track :lol: (picks CD out of rack, places in player and gives the Smashy and Nicey "Bachman-Turner-Overdrive lever "a good pull)

Ian Harris
04-Sep-2005, 01:49
Originally posted by TP
Ooh, Careful with that Axe Eugene ;)

OY!!! Arnold Layne! Don't Do It Again!

TP
04-Sep-2005, 01:50
LOL - short ....

Wish you were here ....

Ian Harris
04-Sep-2005, 02:12
Floyd reunion: Definitely the high spot from Live 8. And, as for the Scissor Sisters rendition of Comfortably Numb, what's all that about :puzzled:

Anyway, over and out...Still fancy making that Kent ride-out.

TP
04-Sep-2005, 02:16
Originally posted by Ian Harris
Floyd reunion: Definitely the high spot from Live 8. And, as for the Scissor Sisters rendition of Comfortably Numb, what's all that about :puzzled:

Anyway, over and out...Still fancy making that Kent ride-out.

:)

Scissor Sisters - sheesh ....

I forget how much I like some of these songs you know .... listening to "One of my turns" now ... this is a seriously cool song!

"Are all these your guitars?" "Do you wanna take a bath?"

:D

MARTIN H
04-Sep-2005, 09:27
I,ve got a bike you can ride it if you like? Its got a basket , a bell that rings and things to make it good. I'd give it to you if I could but I borrowed it.

TP
07-Sep-2005, 20:01
Audioslave

... for those that like Chris Cornell with short hair ...

Ozz
07-Sep-2005, 20:42
Audioslave - have been meaning to get hold of a copy of one of their albums for a while.

TP
07-Sep-2005, 20:46
I can 'lend' you a copy if you like. Do you know how to use ftp to download stuff?

[Edited on 7-9-2005 by TP]

Gizmo
07-Sep-2005, 22:31
Originally posted by Craig G
Ahhh dudes, whats the average ages on this forum ? :P


[Edited on 2-9-2005 by Craig G]

Old enough to remember that Syd was the Floyd, young enough to enjoy new tunes and wise enough to know that theres so much music out there that you might enjoy so shouldn't waste time listening to 30 year old music :)

Currently listening to Thievery Corps radio 1 one world set bootleg from earlier this year with some top remixes of Cosmic Game and about to go into Tosca's J.A.C album.

sparkin
07-Sep-2005, 22:44
Old Skool me,Aerosmith,John Cougar,Jethro Tull....ooh and Good Charlotte,just for the kids:D

TP
07-Sep-2005, 22:48
Originally posted by Gizmo
Originally posted by Craig G
Ahhh dudes, whats the average ages on this forum ? :P


[Edited on 2-9-2005 by Craig G]

Old enough to remember that Syd was the Floyd,

Oooh!! He wrote some good stuff but ... he was a loopy f***er!

Graham, I love a bit of Aerosmith - Steve Tyler is a legend! The only man I've seen who could possibly swallow a pumpkin whole!

sparkin
07-Sep-2005, 22:50
Originally posted by TP
Graham, I love a bit of Aerosmith - Steve Tyler is a legend! The only man I've seen who could possibly swallow a pumpkin whole!

You forgot Dibble;)





(Only kidding mate)

TP
07-Sep-2005, 22:55
:lol: :lol:

Oh dear, I'm crying here that was so funny ... I need to refill my triple vodka and red bull ...

MARTIN H
07-Sep-2005, 23:00
Been digging all my old Tom Waits lps and cds out recently, Swordfishtrombones still my favourite. Also Rain Dogs and Heartattack and Vine. Great drinking music! Tom Waits my hero!

Gizmo
07-Sep-2005, 23:02
Originally posted by TP



Oooh!! He wrote some good stuff but ... he was a loopy f***er!



which was what made them interesting :), without him it was bland, same formula, same sound hardly pushing the envelope but commercially succesful, made them loads of cash though and got them lots of fans

TP
07-Sep-2005, 23:05
Originally posted by Gizmo
which was what made them interesting :), without him it was bland, same formula, same sound hardly pushing the envelope but commercially succesful, made them loads of cash though and got them lots of fans

:o

You don't rate any Pink Floyd after Syd? Animals? Wish you were here? Dark side of the moon?

:o

Gizmo
07-Sep-2005, 23:19
Originally posted by TP
Originally posted by Gizmo
which was what made them interesting :), without him it was bland, same formula, same sound hardly pushing the envelope but commercially succesful, made them loads of cash though and got them lots of fans

:o

You don't rate any Pink Floyd after Syd? Animals? Wish you were here? Dark side of the moon?

:o

er, no not really a fan at all it all sounded the same not like the Syd years, by that time I was listening to Velvets, NY Dolls then into The Clash as i preferred the garage punk sound , or a bit of Neu or La Dusseldorf thrown in if i wanted guitar/electronica I blame John Peel for my musical tastes, he's got a lot to answer for :)

TP
07-Sep-2005, 23:24
Originally posted by Gizmo
er, no not really a fan at all it all sounded the same not like the Syd years, by that time I was listening to Velvets, NY Dolls then into The Clash as i preferred the garage punk sound , or a bit of Neu or La Dusseldorf thrown in if i wanted guitar/electronica I blame John Peel for my musical tastes, he's got a lot to answer for :)

Wow, you're the first person I've discussed PF with who has felt that way. I think they did their best stuff post Syd.

It's such a shame that Dave and Roger didn't get on in the end. I would pay LARGE sums of cash to see them live back together. I think Dave Gilmour is a legend.

You mean you don't even like The Wall? Or the Final Cut?

F*** me!!!!

Edit - I did like Relics ... so it's not as if I didn't like PF with Syd ... have you read any stuff on the way the other band members felt while he was with them? Makes interesting reading, I don't think they would have been half the band they were/are if he had of stayed with them. I think he would have destroyed them. As is often the case with genuis, it's on the edge. Just take a look at the Chillli Peppers guitarist (forget his name) that died of a heroin overdose. He was a genious and inspired the band to Blood Sugar Sex Magic - they wouldn't have produced that without him, or the fact that Anthony Kiedis (sp) was a recovering heroin addict ...

[Edited on 7-9-2005 by TP]

Gizmo
07-Sep-2005, 23:44
Originally posted by TP


Wow, you're the first person I've discussed PF with who has felt that way. I think they did their best stuff post Syd.

It's such a shame that Dave and Roger didn't get on in the end. I would pay LARGE sums of cash to see them live back together. I think Dave Gilmour is a legend.

You mean you don't even like The Wall? Or the Final Cut?

F*** me!!!!

Sorry but i just couldnt get into it, ummagumma was ok as it was more experimental but once they got to Dark Side i was listening to John Peel every night and knew there was other stuff i'd rather listen to. it was interesting to watch them reformed at live 8 but not really something i'd usually bother listening to.

Gizmo
07-Sep-2005, 23:50
Originally posted by TP
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Edit - I did like Relics ... so it's not as if I didn't like PF with Syd ... have you read any stuff on the way the other band members felt while he was with them? Makes interesting reading, I don't think they would have been half the band they were/are if he had of stayed with them. I think he would have destroyed them. As is often the case with genuis, it's on the edge. Just take a look at the Chillli Peppers guitarist (forget his name) that died of a heroin overdose. He was a genious and inspired the band to Blood Sugar Sex Magic - they wouldn't have produced that without him, or the fact that Anthony Kiedis (sp) was a recovering heroin addict ...

[Edited on 7-9-2005 by TP]

Or Ian Curtis with Joy Division, he was responsible for their best work yet after him they moved on into areas they'ed probably never have gotten into. Few bands are brave enough to try different things and it can take one member leaving for them to do so.

TP
07-Sep-2005, 23:53
His name was Hillel Slovak - the RHCP guitarist that died from a heroin overdose.

He was brilliant. They also had two drummers...

Ian Harris
08-Sep-2005, 00:15
Originally posted by Gizmo

Or Ian Curtis with Joy Division, he was responsible for their best work yet after him they moved on into areas they'ed probably never have gotten into. Few bands are brave enough to try different things and it can take one member leaving for them to do so.

Cor, Ian Curtis...talk about the dark side...but where did that voice come from? Can't have been from the spotty kid with the nylon shirts and the Farah's. And, as for those dance moves, what an earth was going on inside his head? :puzzled:


Great parallel with Syd Barrett / Pink Floyd BTW, Closer is one of my all-time favourite albums and, while New Order knocked out some pretty decent tunes over the years, I don't rate them as being in the same league as Joy Division,but ...some like the early stuff, some like the late stuff, some like all of it...you pays your money and you takes your choice . I think I'll go and cheer myself up with a quick blast of Twenty Four Hours ...music to cut your throat to par excellence!

TP
08-Sep-2005, 00:51
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fishbowl, year after year.

Running over the same old ground, of how we found the same old fears ... wish you were here ...

Brilliant!!

MARTIN H
08-Sep-2005, 00:52
Gizmo! I never took you for a New York Dolls fan! Johnny Thunders my guitar hero and the only person I have ever bothered getting an autograph off. That band were responsible for a whole load of music that came later, Guns and Roses for one. Joy Division we sometimes cover Transmission in my band an absolute classic. As for John Peel he was a massive inspiration, we once many years ago did a gig with him and as an encore we played transmission and I can remember him at the side of the stage doing a brief Ian Curtis dance/shuffle with a grin on his face. Happy memories! :)

Gizmo
08-Sep-2005, 09:43
Originally posted by Ian Harris
Originally posted by Gizmo

Or Ian Curtis with Joy Division, he was responsible for their best work yet after him they moved on into areas they'ed probably never have gotten into. Few bands are brave enough to try different things and it can take one member leaving for them to do so.

Cor, Ian Curtis...talk about the dark side...but where did that voice come from? Can't have been from the spotty kid with the nylon shirts and the Farah's. And, as for those dance moves, what an earth was going on inside his head? :puzzled:


Great parallel with Syd Barrett / Pink Floyd BTW, Closer is one of my all-time favourite albums and, while New Order knocked out some pretty decent tunes over the years, I don't rate them as being in the same league as Joy Division,but ...some like the early stuff, some like the late stuff, some like all of it...you pays your money and you takes your choice . I think I'll go and cheer myself up with a quick blast of Twenty Four Hours ...music to cut your throat to par excellence!

i can stil recall when they first played on JP, wonderful. Curtis was a very deepressed guy, got to meet them once, they supported the Buzzcocks and i only went to see Joy Divission so was in bar afterwads whilst Buzzcocks played, they all wandered in and just stood at bar chatting to the 2 or 3 of us who were there to see them. Curtis was on a different planet, probably fuelled by speed but who knows. Unknown Pleasures is probably my favourite album but as i don't listen to old music much it rarely gets played. Compare that to what PF were doing at the same time......

New Order eneded up going the way of PF etc, same formula sound but at least they did diversify and were responsible for the introduction of dance music along with bands like A Certain Ratio. Still buy all their albums and quite like Waiting for the Sirens Call even though its just another New Order album. Add Factory records to my list of musical influences as well please :)

Gizmo
08-Sep-2005, 09:52
Originally posted by MARTIN H
Gizmo! I never took you for a New York Dolls fan! Johnny Thunders my guitar hero and the only person I have ever bothered getting an autograph off. That band were responsible for a whole load of music that came later, Guns and Roses for one. Joy Division we sometimes cover Transmission in my band an absolute classic. As for John Peel he was a massive inspiration, we once many years ago did a gig with him and as an encore we played transmission and I can remember him at the side of the stage doing a brief Ian Curtis dance/shuffle with a grin on his face. Happy memories! :)

Given a choive between crap UK prog rock in the early seventies and garage band stuff it was easy to get into the Dolls, they infuenced almost every decent guitar driven band. After that it was into the Ramones and Clash, you do any covers of them Martin??

Did you record the John Peel tribute night the BBC ran after he died?? Think its still sat on me Sky + box. He was the most inspirational DJ ever, always looking for new tunes and open to listening to anything, it opened my ears to a lot of stuff but more importanty changed my attitudes to music. I was working in US when he died and couldn't get a copy of the NME with the tribute , don't suppose anyone kept it did they??

Ozz
08-Sep-2005, 10:37
TP sent you a U2U mate!

MARTIN H
08-Sep-2005, 10:54
Neither have the NME or a recording of the tribute. Have covered a few Clash songs over the years and used to play the Ramones Blitzkreig Bop in another band. Used to cover the Dolls Jet Boy and Looking for a Kiss. Saw the Ramones but never saw The Clash. Was introduced to Floyd many years ago by a mates older brother who smoked funny smelling roll ups in the dark while listening to Dark side of the Moon. I still listen to them now but only the stuff before Roger Waters went his own way. Love 1970s Aerosmith before they started with all that polished radio friendly Love in an Elevator type stuff!:lol: Early REM likewise I saw them play in a Manchester club 20 odd years ago, I think Murmur was just about to be released at the time. Don't really listen to their later stuff, I think Monster was their last Album I liked. Velvet Underground we used to play a cover of Femme Fatale, they did some great tunes.

One of my old schoolmates dad was in business with Phil Mccintyre who used to be a promoter for a lot of bands in the 70s and 80s. We used to get on the guest list for any band we wanted to see which left us both with pretty wide ranging tastes in music. One night we would be stood at the front at a Jam gig and the next we would be watching some heavy metal band Ian Gillan or suchlike. Seen some truly terrible bands Magnum? Spider? Budgie? More? Saxon?!

Also some great bands that vanished into obscurity, Hoodogurus were an Aussie group who deserved to last a little longer than they did.

Gizmo I have included a nice pic of John Peel for you!

Ozz
08-Sep-2005, 11:29
Doh! Found I actually bought Audioslave Out of Exile a while back and never listened to it. Pretty good though!

swannymere
08-Sep-2005, 12:18
[I was working in US when he died and couldn't get a copy of the NME with the tribute , don't suppose anyone kept it did they?? [/quote]

I think i've got a copy somewhere,if i can find it i'll let you know,you can't keep it :( but i'll let you borrow it.

I met John at my first Glastonbury.I had listened to his show on the wednesday and he'd said he hated it when people shouted at him but did'nt come over and say hello.So when my mate and i saw him on the thursday evening,it was too good an opportunity to miss.We staggered over and intrduced ourselves and had a chat about what bands we were going to see,he insisted we see Lonnie Donegan.Lucky we did because he passed away about a year later.Top bloke,we even made him late for his radio show because he seemed genuinely interested in our opinions about certain bands.Sadly missed:(

Gizmo
08-Sep-2005, 13:32
Originally posted by swannymere
[I was working in US when he died and couldn't get a copy of the NME with the tribute , don't suppose anyone kept it did they??

I think i've got a copy somewhere,if i can find it i'll let you know,you can't keep it :( but i'll let you borrow it.

I met John at my first Glastonbury.I had listened to his show on the wednesday and he'd said he hated it when people shouted at him but did'nt come over and say hello.So when my mate and i saw him on the thursday evening,it was too good an opportunity to miss.We staggered over and intrduced ourselves and had a chat about what bands we were going to see,he insisted we see Lonnie Donegan.Lucky we did because he passed away about a year later.Top bloke,we even made him late for his radio show because he seemed genuinely interested in our opinions about certain bands.Sadly missed:( [/quote]

Ooh, that really would be appreciated, I kept going into the Virgin megastore when i was there as it was only place that ever had NME but for whatever reason that issue never made it onto the newstand, when I got home it was off the shelves as well. I'd make sur eit gets returned.

John Peel had more influence than any band, the BBC tribute night really brought that home, must get it copied onto DVD when i can work out how to get it transferred from a Sky + box

Gizmo
08-Sep-2005, 13:41
Originally posted by MARTIN H
Neither have the NME or a recording of the tribute. Have covered a few Clash songs over the years and used to play the Ramones Blitzkreig Bop in another band. Used to cover the Dolls Jet Boy and Looking for a Kiss. Saw the Ramones but never saw The Clash. Was introduced to Floyd many years ago by a mates older brother who smoked funny smelling roll ups in the dark while listening to Dark side of the Moon. I still listen to them now but only the stuff before Roger Waters went his own way. Love 1970s Aerosmith before they started with all that polished radio friendly Love in an Elevator type stuff!:lol: Early REM likewise I saw them play in a Manchester club 20 odd years ago, I think Murmur was just about to be released at the time. Don't really listen to their later stuff, I think Monster was their last Album I liked. Velvet Underground we used to play a cover of Femme Fatale, they did some great tunes.

One of my old schoolmates dad was in business with Phil Mccintyre who used to be a promoter for a lot of bands in the 70s and 80s. We used to get on the guest list for any band we wanted to see which left us both with pretty wide ranging tastes in music. One night we would be stood at the front at a Jam gig and the next we would be watching some heavy metal band Ian Gillan or suchlike. Seen some truly terrible bands Magnum? Spider? Budgie? More? Saxon?!

Also some great bands that vanished into obscurity, Hoodogurus were an Aussie group who deserved to last a little longer than they did.

Gizmo I have included a nice pic of John Peel for you!

Can't recall how many times I saw the Clash, its got to be about 20 I think. That period of time was spent just going to gigs almost every night, like you some good the majority bad.

Theres so many bands with talent who end up giving up, its the problem with the music industry, its not about talent but how your records get distributed and sold. Downloads and internet sales make it a lot easier, i can buy CD's from all over the World even if they don't have UK distribution, it presents a problem all of its own now when I've got so much to listen to and not enough time :)