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Right then folks, it would appear that there could be an opening for me to ride in DD next year but in Class B.
I cannot afford a 620 (see previous thread).
Now, I don't want to **** on anyone's chips, or have people upset coz "Dom is too experienced" etc etc
So, I am asking for the 583 riders opinions on this, as it will only affect you (or maybe not as my vast experience showed this season).
Basically, I have to let the RC know if I would like to be put forward to race in 583, and they will have the final say, but as I wouldn't be racing against them, I wanted your approval first.
I don't want people to say "Yeah, come and do 583" and then get arsey if I do well. So be honest!!
I'll happily do CB500 without upsetting any 'novices' and with no hard feelings.
Well, I'll vote for you, and I *know* you'll whup *my* arse in every race.
Bring it on ;)
(Old mouthy git sticking up for young mouthy git)
Dom its a difficult line this one
eligiblity is novice or must have competed 583 in at least 2 races this year, so the current rules read.
This would entitle Andy J to ride in the class, the way those rules are worded, as he raced snot as a 583 for both the races at the first meeting. wasnt yours a 675 then 620?
However, we (Andy, ck & i) feel that is unfair to current competitors in that class to have someone with lots of race experience (albeit very rusty from quite a while ago), so Andy is staying 620 for next season.
Will call my son-in-law paul who is riding snot in583 next year to see what he thinks as a complet rookie rider in the 583 class
Alan
[Edited on 13-11-2005 by CK and AK]
skidlids
13-Nov-2005, 16:49
Dom it would be great to see you on a 583, I would expect you, Paul P and Phil out of those I knowto set the bench mark for me to aim at, bit like this year really.
Geoffs bench mark was a bit unrealistic for me on a 583 with him on a 620, I know there are riders out there that would have gone faster than me on a 583 so as I'm in it to improve my riding it will help to have a few faster riders ahead of me out on track, especially if there is room on the grid.
Kev
Originally posted by skidlids
Dom it would be great to see you on a 583, I would expect you, Paul P and Phil out of those I knowto set the bench mark for me to aim at, bit like this year really.
Geoffs bench mark was a bit unrealistic for me on a 583 with him on a 620, I know there are riders out there that would have gone faster than me on a 583 so as I'm in it to improve my riding it will help to have a few faster riders ahead of me out on track, especially if there is room on the grid.
Kev
Well said. I agree completely.
couchcommando
13-Nov-2005, 17:13
I think there are a few others that would like to have raced 583 next year as well. I know I would have been happier spending £1500 on a bike and not considerably more than that but the rules are set to encourage novices and new racers into the 583 class. So any of us with a bit of race experience have to accept the rules for what they are.
As I'm not a 583 rider I can add my brothers opinion and he would be happier racing as a complete novice and not against experienced racers.
skidlids
13-Nov-2005, 17:31
Originally posted by couchcommando
I think there are a few others that would like to have raced 583 next year as well. I know I would have been happier spending £1500 on a bike and not considerably more than that but the rules are set to encourage novices and new racers into the 583 class. So any of us with a bit of race experience have to accept the rules for what they are.
As I'm not a 583 rider I can add my brothers opinion and he would be happier racing as a complete novice and not against experienced racers.
The series was set up to encourage DSC members to experience racing, lets not forget this point and the likes of Lin to name but one who showed the way by lining up on her 583 on the same grid as Geoff and the DLS guys to name just a few on there sorted 620s.
If we went on the entry requirements that were decided upon at this years meeting following the AGM then I doubt we would have enough for two grids.
I may not be Dom's biggest fan but I was impressed by his attitude this year and his willingness to intergrate into the DSC membership and I would rather he put another bike on one of our grids than a non DSC grid.
Kev
Washboard
13-Nov-2005, 18:17
Originally posted by phil_h
Well, I'll vote for you, and I *know* you'll whup *my* arse in every race.
Bring it on ;)
(Old mouthy git sticking up for young mouthy git)
Are you going to make up you mind which bloody class you're in then?
Originally posted by skidlids
The series was set up to encourage DSC members to experience racing, lets not forget this point and the likes of Lin to name but one who showed the way by lining up on her 583 on the same grid as Geoff and the DLS guys to name just a few on there sorted 620s.
If we went on the entry requirements that were decided upon at this years meeting following the AGM then I doubt we would have enough for two grids.
I may not be Dom's biggest fan but I was impressed by his attitude this year and his willingness to intergrate into the DSC membership and I would rather he put another bike on one of our grids than a non DSC grid.
Kev
good p o v Kev:cool:
C
(point of view:P )
I'm not Valentino Rossi you know...
The 'race experience' I have doesn't count for very much in my opinion. Even I have found that out and I'm sure Kev (my biggest fan really) would agree - I think the 'modern' addiction of trackdays has led to everyone being fast!
I think I am a victim of a lot of hype and spin prior to this season, and whilst I am not totally innocent of being 'over confident' of my ability, I have been perceived as some top British racer who's been racing non-stop for 8 years.
I have done 25 race meetings EVER before this year (20 of which were in '97, '98 & '99). That's over 6 years ago!!
I finished 14th in the Desmo Due championship this year, and my best result was 10th!! (before the Tango Queen).
Now, nobody has a problem with Skids racing in 583, and he's vastly more experienced than me. Fil2 comprehensively kicked my arse this year and finished 3rd overall, but nobody is worried about that. Paul Payne has raced before (not much I'll agree), and even Phil_h has raced classics for a bit.
All the 'novices' have done 11 DD races this year (more if you did SoT etc) and prior to 2005 I had done 36 actual races (CB500 were only 1 per weekend) at 25 race meetings.
Some people have done more than 36 trackdays, which is massively more tracktime than even I've had!!
I haven't ridden on the road since August 2003 when I had a ZX7R for 2 months, and before that my previous road bike was a 900SS which I sold in 1997 to go racing - so I don't even ride a bike on the road and haven't done for virtually 8 years.
I have a national race licence purely because I wanted to do the TT back in 1998 - which I never did.
Can someone tell me how experienced you have to be before you are too experienced for Desmo Due?
Or if I trundled around at the back - would anyone care less? I don't think they would.
I think we're getting close to becoming elitist rather than keeping focus on the original idea - which was for DSC members to race in their own series - wasn't it?
I'm a DSC member, I'm fairly active on the forum and would be more active within DSC if I could afford a road bike and attend ride-outs and shows etc - but because I don't have plenty of cash to buy a 620, I may be forced to leave the championship I supported all year, and go race elsewhere.
...at the same time, I don't want to upset anyone.
If I didn't give a crap, then I would have made a convincing case to the RC and may have just turned up at the first race next year in 583.
That's not my style. I'm transparent and don't bullshite people. That's why I asked you lot first.
:P
Originally posted by Dseered
Domski, not that it has anything to do with me BUT the banter was fantastic pre/mid/post season, I like you fella although we have never met.
I'm not well versed in the rules of DD but I wish you luck in your quest to race in the series !
DCR
Thanks dude. You can be my new 'biggest fan' :lol:
I think I'll only see opposition from people at the front of the race - and it's because they want to win too.
I'm no trophy hunter, but I still want to win trophies.
Surely everyone would like to?
So are we all trophy hunters?
DD is going mad. It's not MotoGP and some people need to get a reality check.
If you can't afford a 620, then you can't race in Desmo Due - what sort of club is that?
What about the top 3 moving on?
What if you can't afford to?
It's all a bit out of hand if you ask me.
You'll end up banning anyone who finishes in the top 10 - just to 'give others a chance' - You're all mad!
Mad I tell you!!!
:sing:
butch890
13-Nov-2005, 19:22
Bad day Dom?:lol:
Butch
Rattler
13-Nov-2005, 19:24
Originally posted by domski
I'm not Valentino Rossi you know...
The 'race experience' I have doesn't count for very much in my opinion. Even I have found that out and I'm sure Kev (my biggest fan really) would agree - I think the 'modern' addiction of trackdays has led to everyone being fast!
I think I am a victim of a lot of hype and spin prior to this season, and whilst I am not totally innocent of being 'over confident' of my ability, I have been perceived as some top British racer who's been racing non-stop for 8 years.
I have done 25 race meetings EVER before this year (20 of which were in '97, '98 & '99). That's over 6 years ago!!
I finished 14th in the Desmo Due championship this year, and my best result was 10th!! (before the Tango Queen).
Now, nobody has a problem with Skids racing in 583, and he's vastly more experienced than me. Fil2 comprehensively kicked my arse this year and finished 3rd overall, but nobody is worried about that. Paul Payne has raced before (not much I'll agree), and even Phil_h has raced classics for a bit.
All the 'novices' have done 11 DD races this year (more if you did SoT etc) and prior to 2005 I had done 36 actual races (CB500 were only 1 per weekend) at 25 race meetings.
Some people have done more than 36 trackdays, which is massively more tracktime than even I've had!!
I haven't ridden on the road since August 2003 when I had a ZX7R for 2 months, and before that my previous road bike was a 900SS which I sold in 1997 to go racing - so I don't even ride a bike on the road and haven't done for virtually 8 years.
I have a national race licence purely because I wanted to do the TT back in 1998 - which I never did.
Can someone tell me how experienced you have to be before you are too experienced for Desmo Due?
Or if I trundled around at the back - would anyone care less? I don't think they would.
I think we're getting close to becoming elitist rather than keeping focus on the original idea - which was for DSC members to race in their own series - wasn't it?
I'm a DSC member, I'm fairly active on the forum and would be more active within DSC if I could afford a road bike and attend ride-outs and shows etc - but because I don't have plenty of cash to buy a 620, I may be forced to leave the championship I supported all year, and go race elsewhere.
I think you should just shut up and line up!!! ;)
- as long as you're not wearing that BananaMan outfit!!! ;)
Originally posted by Rattler
I think you should just shut up and line up!!! ;)
- as long as you're not wearing that BananaMan outfit!!! ;)
Amen my brother!
What's wrong with yellow? :cool:
Originally posted by domski
What's wrong with yellow? :cool:
everything:lol::lol::lol:
Scooter916
13-Nov-2005, 20:06
Dom
Are you sure its for the right reasons?? or do you just want to get your grubby paws on the top prize of a branny scooter.....LOL,
On a more serious note, My veiws are the more the merrier so get yourself on a well detuned uncompetetive 583 with square wheels and enjoy.
Hope to see you out there.
Glyn:burn:
Dom, son-in-law Paul#39, says he "dont care"
just go & get some more 'muted' coloured leathers...... :P
ericthered40
13-Nov-2005, 20:19
Dose this meen I could do 583 instead of having to race with that nasty TP
:P
Originally posted by Scooter916
Dom
Are you sure its for the right reasons?? or do you just want to get your grubby paws on the top prize of a branny scooter.....LOL,
On a more serious note, My veiws are the more the merrier so get yourself on a well detuned uncompetetive 583 with square wheels and enjoy.
Hope to see you out there.
Glyn:burn:
Ooh, I forgot about that. Well the runner-up can have that ;)
The reasons for doing 583 is purely a cost issue. I had a couple of 'possible' rides for 620, but they were only outside chances anyway and they're unavailable now, so I was set on racing a CB500.
Then, the (positive) reaction of some DD riders, plus an email from Chris Bushell, made me think twice - but I don't want to tread on toes, coz I think I annoy enough people as it is.
:)
Originally posted by AK and CK
Dom, son-in-law Paul#39, says he "dont care"
just go & get some more 'muted' coloured leathers...... :P
That's cool, but the leathers stay!! :o
:D
Originally posted by ericthered40
Dose this meen I could do 583 instead of having to race with that nasty TP
:P
I think you should save yourself a shedload of hassle and cash - and just ride yer minter as it is.
TP falls off too much, so he's no competition anyway ;)
:lol:
Just come in from the garage (anyone got some 583 carbs going cheap). Any followed the racing all this year and can't see what the problem is, the more bikes on the grid the better.
Rattler
13-Nov-2005, 20:49
Originally posted by Andy C
Just come in from the garage (anyone got some 583 carbs going cheap). Any followed the racing all this year and can't see what the problem is, the more bikes on the grid the better.
Yeh but we're talking about Dom here - and he's a tw@ ;)
Scooter916
13-Nov-2005, 20:51
andy i have a set that I bought from paul payne earlier this year, I think it was £25 if you want em they are yours.
Glyn
Originally posted by Rattler
Originally posted by Andy C
Just come in from the garage (anyone got some 583 carbs going cheap). Any followed the racing all this year and can't see what the problem is, the more bikes on the grid the better.
Yeh but we're talking about Dom here - and he's a tw@ ;)
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Another one for my fan club ;)
ericthered40
13-Nov-2005, 20:58
Originally posted by domski
Originally posted by ericthered40
Dose this meen I could do 583 instead of having to race with that nasty TP
:P
I think you should save yourself a shedload of hassle and cash - and just ride yer minter as it is.
TP falls off too much, so he's no competition anyway ;)
:lol:
He don't scare me he can't walk yet let alone ride
:lol:
It's somthing to build over the winter,
Did you have a 620 in your bike at the end of last year?
Originally posted by ericthered40
Did you have a 620 in your bike at the end of last year?
We had a 620 in from Castle Combe (Rnd 2) onwards!!
...but, I don't think the transplant with bits out of boxes (everything) worked as it should have, coz the Tango Queen felt like a 748 in comparison.
Go figure :puzzled:
ericthered40
13-Nov-2005, 21:13
umm that makes it sound like hard work, I do fancy a go at it though :)
I think AK managed to do it alright.
Louigi did it using 'bits & pieces' lying around :lol:
620 engine (with holes in) + 750ie injectors (same as 620) + loom off of something else + no airbox + cdi from sumfing else again etc etc
It was done with stuff Rich already had in his second-hand parts section, coz neither of us had the cash to do it 'expensively'. I honestly feel there must be something not 100% right in the recipe used, coz it wasn't down on power coz Rich is stupid. His other bikes are tip top kit. It just didn't work out.
I would think if you can find a 620 and all the 620 bits to go with it, it should be alright.
...but you may as well buy a 620 or race the 583.
[Edited on 13-11-2005 by domski]
ericthered40
13-Nov-2005, 21:38
I don't want to ride a moster, well not that kind of monster anyway
so your left with buying a 620 spot if you can find one, for what £3000 to £3500 grand and still having to do the suspension brakes bodywork well every thing.
so let's say £5000 total
I think I can get it up to scratch for less than that. Is there any advantage from starting with the later bike? apart from the fact that the engine and associated bits and peaces are on it. still got to spend the time seting it up to get the best from it? I don't know I am still trying to way it up ?
It's a bit like buying a 748 and fitting a 916 engine... why not just buy the 916 in the first place?
If you can save some wedge, then that makes sense I suppose, all depends on how easy it is to do and if you have plenty of spare time over xmas.
;)
Originally posted by AK and CK
Originally posted by domski
What's wrong with yellow? :cool:
everything:lol::lol::lol:
dom
let me no who put you up to going yellow and will give em a slap for ya :lol::lol::lol:
Originally posted by hawk
dom
let me no who put you up to going yellow and will give em a slap for ya :lol::lol::lol:
I'm not talking to you anymore :lol::lol::lol:
skidlids
13-Nov-2005, 21:57
It was me, Yellow ROCKS
How about a DD bike in undercoat?
We didn't have one this year did we?
ericthered40
13-Nov-2005, 22:01
Don't forget I could sell the six hundred lump and associated bits
Keeping the 620 costs down then go for nice bits ells wear
I am probably wrong but I think spending the money on the suspension exhaust, power commander and Dino time. followed buy some hypnotherapy for me will be the best way to spend the budget :o
skidlids
13-Nov-2005, 22:04
So if its going to be a 620 motor how much more does it cost for a 6 speed one.
skidlids
13-Nov-2005, 22:06
Originally posted by domski
How about a DD bike in undercoat?
We didn't have one this year did we?
Not quite a DD bike but Dallas had his ZX10R in primer at various race venues this year, I think it may have been in it at Castle Combe if not it certainly was by the time he rebuilt it following his off at Quarry
ericthered40
13-Nov-2005, 22:09
I don't know yet :D
Originally posted by domski
I think AK managed to do it alright.
Louigi did it using 'bits & pieces' lying around :lol:
so did AK
620 engine (with holes in) + 750ie injectors (same as 620) + loom off of something else + no airbox + cdi from sumfing else again etc etc
620 engine from breaker + loom off something else (750ss) airbox from something else + powercommander he had on the shelf that was going onto the tri-colour 900.
Was a nightmare getting it all mapped out for the bike, on the dyno, to check it was all 'talking' to each other component
It was done with stuff Rich already had in his second-hand parts section, coz neither of us had the cash to do it 'expensively'.
same here - labour was the most 'extensive' for AK
I honestly feel there must be something not 100% right in the recipe used, coz it wasn't down on power coz Rich is stupid. His other bikes are tip top kit. It just didn't work out.
mmm - should have looked at one part;)
I would think if you can find a 620 and all the 620 bits to go with it, it should be alright.
..
its certainly the easiest way...
but transplants can be done, and now AK knows what does/doesnt work, it wont take so long on the next one..... ;)
edited to add: also tank, with pump came from the same breaker that Louigi got his 620 from - they came from the same broken bike as his!
Luckily Andy J repaired the tank, so it was re-usable again : cost £cheap all inc postage:smug:
[Edited on 13-11-2005 by AK and CK]
OK OK OK!!!!!
So AK and Louigi did it the same way, blimey woman, I don't know EVERYTHING do I - at least I said he got it working.
:P
Now, what you doing on the computer? All the washing done is it?
:lol:
roast dinner cooked: check (CK)
dinner eaten: check (both)
bottle of wine consumed: check (both)
washing up done: check (AK)
top gear watched: check (both)
clothes all washed :check
reading about 'bananas' on the DSC site: still in progress:P
clockwork orange
13-Nov-2005, 22:47
Originally posted by Dseered
Has your names changed around ?
CK & AK
AK & CK
Mmmm - we wondered about that...... :devil:
couchcommando
13-Nov-2005, 23:01
Dom, why not run a 583 with a big bore kit in the 620 class ? Surely that would keep everyone happy ?
On a personal level I wasn't allowed in the 583 class and I have raced less than you and don't hold a National Licence. Had I have been allowed to race a 583 I could have saved myself over £3k in bike costs.
[Edited on 13-11-2005 by couchcommando]
Tonio600
13-Nov-2005, 23:11
Message original : domski
Right then folks, it would appear that there could be an opening for me to ride in DD next year but in Class B.
I cannot afford a 620 (see previous thread).
Now, I don't want to **** on anyone's chips, or have people upset coz "Dom is too experienced" etc etc
So, I am asking for the 583 riders opinions on this, as it will only affect you (or maybe not as my vast experience showed this season).
Basically, I have to let the RC know if I would like to be put forward to race in 583, and they will have the final say, but as I wouldn't be racing against them, I wanted your approval first.
I don't want people to say "Yeah, come and do 583" and then get arsey if I do well. So be honest!!
I'll happily do CB500 without upsetting any 'novices' and with no hard feelings.
Of course you're welcome to race with us mate. Personally I do it for real fun, so I won't get pi$$ed or anything if you do well :lol:
Originally posted by couchcommando
Dom, why not run a 583 with a big bore kit in the 620 class ? Surely that would keep everyone happy ?
I want to be competitive, and to be competitive in 620, you need a 620 - no question.
It was also proven this year, that fitting a big bore kit is a complete waste of money.
skidlids
13-Nov-2005, 23:13
A 583 with a bore kit still only makes 51 to 52 bhp not exactly competitive with a 620i, then there is the better throttle response from the injected bikes plus a fair bit higher rev range and on top of that some 620s have 6 gears.
I always though a good option for 2006 would to allow class A bikes with a 583 based engine taken out to 675 and allow some head and cam work but possibly still running on standard CV carbs be allowed to run against the 620s.
I 'm buying Glyns 675 kit off him for my old engine and if I have the time and spare cash I will probably have a look at doing something with the heads to see what a bit of porting and flowing does for them.
Looking at it from a complete Novice point of view, I've entered this on the understanding that I'll be out with Novices. That and the cost of the season are what appeals. Nothing against anyone here, but I'd rather the rules were adhered too, it's a novice class, end of. Whether you're quick from doing trackdays matters not a bit, you've no prior racing experience, which is a world apart from just riding round on a trackday. It is annoying that the 620 class is that much more expensive, but if Couch was turned away from it with his limited racing experience and had to fork out £5K ish for a bike, why should it be any different for anyone else? If it starts getting one rule for one and one for the other the series is going to start looking very amateur and cliquey indeed.
couchcommando
13-Nov-2005, 23:17
Originally posted by domski
Originally posted by couchcommando
Dom, why not run a 583 with a big bore kit in the 620 class ? Surely that would keep everyone happy ?
I want to be competitive, and to be competitive in 620, you need a 620 - no question.
It was also proven this year, that fitting a big bore kit is a complete waste of money.
I understand and appreciate what you are saying totally. I seem to be in a group of one that thinks bending the rules slightly is unfair so it doesn't really matter what I think but I am allowed to have my opinion. Just what other rules can be bent to allow someone to be competitive if they can't afford it ?
I'm torn aspart of me wants to be sporting and part of me would be upset that I had to spend all the money on my bike just because I could afford it :(
Originally posted by couchcommando
On a personal level I wasn't allowed in the 583 class and I have raced less than you and don't hold a National Licence. Had I have been allowed to race a 583 I could have saved myself over £3k in bike costs.
I think that if I was new to the series for next year, then I'd have no chance of going 583.
There is only an outside chance now.
This is purely because I supported the series this year.
*Going on the info that you supplied in earlier threads, I think you've probably raced more than me, and within the last 12 months too. My racing was done 6-8 years ago. All the points you raise are answered in my above posts.
couchcommando
13-Nov-2005, 23:22
I'll abide by whatever decision and race happily on as none of it is really life changing is it :)
So fingers crossed you get the RC decision you want.
Originally posted by Grib
Looking at it from a complete Novice point of view, I've entered this on the understanding that I'll be out with Novices. That and the cost of the season are what appeals. Nothing against anyone here, but I'd rather the rules were adhered too, it's a novice class, end of. Whether you're quick from doing trackdays matters not a bit, you've no prior racing experience, which is a world apart from just riding round on a trackday. It is annoying that the 620 class is that much more expensive, but if Couch was turned away from it with his limited racing experience and had to fork out £5K ish for a bike, why should it be any different for anyone else? If it starts getting one rule for one and one for the other the series is going to start looking very amateur and cliquey indeed.
I do see your point entirely, however, what about the people who have raced in DD this year. They may hold novice licences, but they are far from nervy beginners.
The rules do state that...
Discretion may be shown by the committee towards entrants who do not meet all of these criteria, but who are entering in the spirit of the series.
So it's not being cliquey or favoring one person over another.
That's the rules - and they may not let me in!!
:)
skidlids
13-Nov-2005, 23:29
From the 2005 rule book, that was voted on and agreed to by members of the DSC, now under these rules Dom is allowed to race in the DD seies where as several others will not be allowed to. It is only because the date cap has been removed that we are now looking at two classes and hence it looks like Dom is the loser while others gain from it
So whats this about bending rules
2.1.4 Qualification for entry to the series
2006
For the 2006 series, entrants will have to have been members of the Club as at 1 March 2005, novice licence holders or not have raced for at least 5 years.
Originally posted by Tonio600
Of course you're welcome to race with us mate. Personally I do it for real fun, so I won't get pi$$ed or anything if you do well :lol:
I've always loved the French :lol:
;)
Absolutely, there are going to be people there with a whole year's experience, but still holding novice licences. If the comittee decide in your favour, fair enough, it's their call. I personally just want to get out there and get going, whoever I'm lining up with on the grid at the moment :roll: Hurry up Springtime!
Originally posted by couchcommando
I'll abide by whatever decision and race happily on as none of it is really life changing is it :)
So fingers crossed you get the RC decision you want.
You've got me feeling guilty now :(
I totally appreciate your position, and I'm sure that the RC's decision on your entry would be different if you had ridden in DD in 2005.
I'm normally on the smelly end of the kind of stuff, so hopefully everything will work out for all of us and next year will be a great laugh - like this year was.
At least you got a sweet bike. I'll have to build a rat bike :rodent:
ericthered40
13-Nov-2005, 23:36
O come on it's just as good as the racing this is :lol:
couchcommando
13-Nov-2005, 23:37
Originally posted by ericthered40
O come on it's just as good as the racing this is :lol:
Yeh but we're old folk so just like when racing we're worn out just as we get going :)
Originally posted by ericthered40
O come on it's just as good as the racing this is :lol:
Don't spoil it, I'm just starting to get emotional :sniff:
*gets box of tissues out* :sniff: ;)
Look guys, there have been times this year when I thought other people were getting favours...
....so now it's my turn :lol:
You need to get on the RC quickly ;)
couchcommando
13-Nov-2005, 23:43
Well if this thread is anything to go by there aren't any objections are there ? :)
psychlist
14-Nov-2005, 09:43
So long as you abide by the rules and meet the criteria set by the RC why shouldn't anyone be allowed to race? I look forward to having the chance to race with you in our very own rat bike class next year Dom, has "Ducati" (or Weeksy) got a bike ready for it too? ;)
Andy#99
14-Nov-2005, 11:05
[quote]Originally posted by Grib
Looking at it from a complete Novice point of view, I've entered this on the understanding that I'll be out with Novices./quote]
I competed in the DD series this year as a COMPLETE novice, and believe-you-me, it is better that the entire grid is not made up of complete novices. No...far better that there are some wise heads out there to keep things a little cooler! My most vivid memory of the year (apart from ploughing my shoulder into Cadwell's grass at high speed at the last meeting of the season) was lining up on the grid for the first race at the first meeting at Cadwell, and witnessing at first hand all the hi-jinks that ensued once the lights went out...believe me...it got progressively better as the season went on and people began to realize that the race wasn't won within the first ten yards of the race! (Sorry, forgot, Dom pretty-much made ten yards on the entire field in race two at Brands...but that's another story!!!)
So I have absolutely no problem with Domski entering 583s for next season....lets face it, he has given a lot of people a lot of amusement this year...the series would have definitely been the poorer if he hadn't been there to both ridicule and have "pops" at!!!!
All you of you UTTER novices out there entering DD for the first time in 2006 DO need a benchmark, and so long as we don't have some utter wizz out there clearing off by a mile, then a smattering of more experienced racers do actually serve that purpose. In 2005 I certainly used half a dozen of the faster riders to aim at, rather than concentrate on who was behind me.
Me, I am still smarting from my injury, but have learned a lot from it, and would dearly love to come back into the 583s to show some of you newbys the way home....if my wife will let me out to play next year!!!!!!!
Good luck to everyone for 2006, but ESPECIALLY...GOOD LUCK DOM....WE LOVE YOU:D
Andy #99
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dickieducati
14-Nov-2005, 11:37
i'll be in 620 next year but im going to comment because i can...........and i would have the same view if i was in 583.
doms a clown, he's not that good anyway, the races he does manage to stay on in he'll probably be banned from anyhow.
he is however a top bloke, has shown alot of support to the series and i would be happy to race with him next year.
Originally posted by domski
. Fil2 comprehensively kicked my arse this year and finished 3rd overall, but nobody is worried about that.
Dont bring me into it Dom.....I meet the class criteria..i am a novice......
U get my support for entering 583 for ALL the right reasons....even at the cost of a few "oh so "coveted trophies..im sure the DD will agree the Series is not about how many Pots you get.....
Be good to have you in 583 and in the paddock m8.........:D
ps..cant say i wont give it " he should not be entered blah blah" when you/if beat me on your Rat bike..;););););):P
dickieducati
14-Nov-2005, 16:39
because they are racers and want to race and beat people. simple.
This does make interesting reading given that the very reason the rules have been drafted as they are is that a significant majority of the riders wanted the 583 class (as shown by the poll of signed-up riders done by MW) 'protected' from more experienced riders. How come everyone seems to have changed their minds?
Incidentally, I'm not clear from Dom's first post - did he or did he not compete in two races on a 583 this year?
nope Lizzie, the Snot was 583 at cadders, then later a 675, then even later a 620.
Dom was 675 to start with, then later the 620.
I 'think' these were the only 2 bikes to 'morph' over the season - except perhaps Paul Paynes, later on.
Butch, looking back at the replies on here, you'd need to contact quite a few more, as only the 'vociferous' are here, and dont seem to make even 50% of the 583 riders (I think) mate.
C:)
[Edited on 16-11-2005 by Webteam]
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