Progress on the Hybrid 600/620

[antonye]

I'm running a 620 engine in the old 600 SS chassis for this season, and so far we've stripped the bike down to the frame and dry-fitted the new engine in. Lucky no modifications were needed as it fits like a glove :D

So now we've stripped it back down and sent the frame off to be powder coated, and Mark has dropped the top yoke into the stripper bath (I did ask, but he said it wasn't that kind...) and given it a coat of clear.

Let's just say it'll look pretty good until the first crash ;)

[skidlids]

Ant do you have to cut that frame brace to fit the fuel injection as you say no mods were required to fit the engine.

[antonye]

Nope, nothing needed to be cut at all. Mine was a '97 vintage SS if that makes any difference! I thought the brace would foul but it fits fine.

We built it right up to the airbox in the dry fit, so the only thing left to do is mount the electrickery once we're ready, but that should be trivial.

I've got some pics somewhere of the new engine in the frame, so I'll dig them out and post them for you.

[skidlids]

Well if its as straight forward as you say, I may look at ripping the engine out of the M620 and sticking it in a SS frame ready for 2007, I much prefer the size and feel of my 600SS to the 620 Mosters.

[ericthered40]

ant any idea when your getting out for a warm up?

[antonye]

Originally posted by skidlids
Well if its as straight forward as you say, I may look at ripping the engine out of the M620 and sticking it in a SS frame ready for 2007, I much prefer the size and feel of my 600SS to the 620 Mosters.

Yes, it really was that easy. The only things that you need to do is sleeve the two engine mounts (or drill out the frame to fit the larger bolts) and then make up two short brackets for the rear mounting points of the airbox, as these are about an inch inside and an inch lower than the SS. But that's it!

[antonye]

Originally posted by ericthered40
ant any idea when your getting out for a warm up?

Frame should be ready this weekend, so once I have that back we'll start rebuilding the bike. I don't think it will be ready until March at the earliest as we have other (time consuming) things to do, but I reckon a mid-march run out would be spot on.

[ericthered40]

I was going to wait till then but suddenly had the inexplicable urge to go out on the 5th of Feb. :lol: and if I Liv the 26th as well.

Always best to ride the bike your going to have your first race on A

:lol:

Mid march sounds good for the next outing.

[antonye]

Well I'm on hols the weekend of the 5th and fly back out to San Fran on the 26th, so it will be the first chance I get!!

[ericthered40]

what will you do Brands before the race or somewhere else

[antonye]

May do Brands first as it's close, just depends on when I'm free and when the bike is ready!

[domski]

Originally posted by antonye
Well I'm on hols the weekend of the 5th and fly back out to San Fran on the 26th

I want to be Antony for a month :o:D

Maybe I can be TP or the Lord while they're in Jerez, AND then be Antony for a bit, hrmmm.

I hate you all!!!!!!! ;)




Never EVER thought I'd say that!!!

[antonye]

Originally posted by domski
I hate you all!!!!!!! ;)


That's ok mate, we hate you too :D

I've managed to rack up around 80,000 airmiles since october and I've spent more time in the US so far in 2006 than I have at home!

The only downside is that it really screws up your body clock with the constant change of time zones.

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by antonye
Originally posted by domski
I hate you all!!!!!!! ;)


That's ok mate, we hate you too :D

I've managed to rack up around 80,000 airmiles since october and I've spent more time in the US so far in 2006 than I have at home!

The only downside is that it really screws up your body clock with the constant change of time zones.

Hnece why you are awake at this time.
I'm in training me - well thats my excuse :eureka:

[antonye]

Originally posted by phoenix n max
Hnece why you are awake at this time.
I'm in training me - well thats my excuse :eureka:

It's only 6.20pm here and I'm still at work, so no excuse for being asleep for me!!

Who are you flying to Oz with, as in which airline?

[Edited on 25-1-2006 by antonye]

[phoenix n max]

FLying with Royal Brunai and I have an overnight stop in Dubai. Arrive in Perth the next day. This will be the longest i;ve flown for - 10 hours previous. I can't say i;m looking forward to it but there are rewards the other end ;)

Hey - have you spoken to Loz lately ?

[antonye]

Brunai is supposed to be a good airline to fly, so I'm sure you'll have a good flight. Don't forget to save some pennies for the rest of the trip while you're in Dubai!!

Haven't spoken to Loz direct, but I know he's been at a trade show and working his ass off there then following up after. He's on holiday now and currently trying to arrange a play on someone's RD400 ...

[phoenix n max]

Yeah I looked it up before I booked and they seemed to have a good rating. I hope so.
Loz was at Stoneleigh last week yes. I missed him on msn earlier. I thought he was playing with a Bandit ? I;ve been trying to convert him to a Ducati but he just keeps pullin me strings - Gonna have to give him a slap when I see him next ;)

[antonye]

He does keep asking about the 916 line, so there's a chance there yet you know! I keep offering him a ride on my 748, but we never manage to be in the same place at the right time.

He said he had fun at Donington on the gixxer, so we'll have to persuade him to do a trackday around testing time for DD and show him how it's done :D

[phoenix n max]

Yeah - we have to rid him of that shellsuit gixxer methinks ;)

He mentioned to me the other week when he was here about a 916 - ok we gonna have to hatch a plan. He'll be with ukrm at Snet wont he? We can convert him then if not before. I'll get him drunk in the bar and convince him to come Thursday ( somehow !) You get him booked in on the trackday assuming there is one? Obviously I wont get him too drunk but I can use all sorts of ways to get him to agree i'm sure :lol:

The plot thickens :ninja:

[antonye]

Team UKRM disbanded at the end of the year and I think Neal has sold the bike and spares on. However, there was a mumering about starting up again ... which I just knew would happen!

I reckon he'd definitely be up for a Snetterton trackday, so let's start laying the foundations asap ;)

[phoenix n max]

Originally posted by antonye
Team UKRM disbanded at the end of the year and I think Neal has sold the bike and spares on. However, there was a mumering about starting up again ... which I just knew would happen!

I reckon he'd definitely be up for a Snetterton trackday, so let's start laying the foundations asap ;)

Oooer did they ?

Oh well - I think a text fest and phone call or two is on the cards but you'll have to keep the pressure on while i'm away ? Deal ? :lol:

[antonye]

Sorted :D

[phoenix n max]

Perhaps we can get him to Oulton ?

[antonye]

Or maybe all of them? :D

[phoenix n max]

Now there's a thought. I will put a plan in action tomorrr----- today even. You'll have to keep up the pressure while I away tho ;)

[domski]

Jesus you two, get a room will ya :lol:

:D

I would have joined in, but I'm busy practicing too...


...not for an exotic flight though :(

I've got the old PS2 whirring away and the odd website to knock out (they will be odd after I've done them)

So, what we talking about now?

:lol:

[paynep]

Originally posted by antonye
I'm running a 620 engine ...... it fits like a glove :D



Five cylinders?? :o

Ant, did you use a spacer through the engine cases or drill and re-tap the frame for the larger 620 engine mounting bolts?

I've used the std rear top bolt with the casing sleeved (£2.99 from Homebase!) but can't make my mind up how to do the front as I may want to be able to put a 583 motor back in at some stage....

Did you have any clearance problems with the ECU/battery under the tank or are you relocating it all for better weight distribution?

Cheers, Paul

[Monty]

Antonye-you dissapoint me-I clicked on the photo link expecting to see the bike and all I saw was a top yoke-and very pretty it looked too.
Just checked and noticed the photo title-Doh-must get my glasses checked.:P

John

[AK]

so is the engine up & running Antony?:)

[antonye]

Originally posted by paynep
Five cylinders?? :o

Ant, did you use a spacer through the engine cases or drill and re-tap the frame for the larger 620 engine mounting bolts?

I've used the std rear top bolt with the casing sleeved (£2.99 from Homebase!) but can't make my mind up how to do the front as I may want to be able to put a 583 motor back in at some stage....

Did you have any clearance problems with the ECU/battery under the tank or are you relocating it all for better weight distribution?

Cheers, Paul

Both front and back mounting points on the engine were sleeved to save modifying the frame for exactly the same reason as you. Mark brought along a collection of oem engine bolts and we found that the 900 bolt was fine for the front - I can measure it if you want as they were all about 5 to 10mm different in length.

As for the battery, we didn't try the tank but just fitted all the airbox in place which works fine. It sits lower than the 583 engine one, by about an inch, so I don't think it will have clearance problems... at least I hope not! I'm sure it wouldn't take much to go to a Monster tank or relocate things if it did.

The only other thing you need to do is sort the fuel pump for the FI, and this we did by using a fuel pump from a Trumpet. They are exactly the same dimensions as the oem one for the 583 and put out the same PSI as the oem Ducati FI pump. You can splice the Trumpet connector into the Ducati harness and all the pipes are the same size, so it fits right in place of the Ducati one. We picked a couple up off ebay for less than 15 quid each. Like this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8032657955

I've got my camera here, so I'll post a couple of pics of the frame once I've resized them.

[antonye]

Originally posted by AK and CK
so is the engine up & running Antony?:)

Nope, just fitted it to the frame to check the frame wouldn't need chopping before sending it away for powder coating.

Once it's back we'll fully fit the engine and get it running, but I'm sure it will be fine :D

[antonye]

Here's the 620 engine in the 583 frame. You can see that there's enough room to clear the cross brace at the front, but it fits!

[paynep]

Thanks Antony, I was wondering about the 900 bolt myself.


I sorted my pump by buying a complete tank, removing all the internals and flogging the bare tank to break even! Although I fully expect the tank to finish ahead of its internals..........

[domski]

Originally posted by antonye
Here's the 620 engine in the 583 frame. You can see that there's enough room to clear the cross brace at the front, but it fits!

Attachment: frame_620.JPG (229.88kb)


Looks great Ant - your bike is finished!!

Reckon the weight saving will be worth 5 seconds a lap ;)

:lol:

[ali]

Originally posted by paynep
Thanks Antony, I was wondering about the 900 bolt myself.


I sorted my pump by buying a complete tank, removing all the internals and flogging the bare tank to break even! Although I fully expect the tank to finish ahead of its internals..........

I expect it'll finish ahead of the rest of the bike as well!:lol:

[Chaz]

Originally posted by antonye
Here's the 620 engine in the 583 frame. You can see that there's enough room to clear the cross brace at the front, but it fits!

That seems to fit ok, But I see you are on active fit;):lol:

[antonye]

Originally posted by chass
But I see you are on active fit;):lol:

Those are for the "Oh *****" moments when Dom comes pogo-ing past... :frog:

[domski]

Originally posted by antonye
Originally posted by chass
But I see you are on active fit;):lol:

Those are for the "Oh <b>censored</b> " moments when Dom comes pogo-ing past... :frog:

Don't tell him that FFS :lol:

That's supposed to be our little secret!!

[fil2]

620 lump in a 600ss frame......i would like that....................:)

best of both worlds............

hope it works out for Ant..........

[Loz]

Now I know why I'm tired all the time, I seem to have a double-life. :puzzled:

:burn:

[paynep]

Originally posted by fil2
620 lump in a 600ss frame......i would like that....................:)

best of both worlds............




If only it was that easy :(

I had a spare afternoon so I've just chucked a frame, forks swingarm and wheels at my 620 motor and everything fits fine.

Apart from the minor detail of not being able to fit the tank over the battery and ECU......

Looks like I will have to chop up the loom and relocate the battery and ECU as the original Monster tank wont fit the frame. Still I've got two months until Cadwell!!

[domski]

Originally posted by paynep
Still I've got two months until Cadwell!!

...and 3 months until the first round at Brands Hatch (vote C)

:lol::lol::lol::D

[antonye]

Another update!

The frame is back from the powder coaters, as modelled by my lovely assistant Mark the Pit Bitch.

PS. Ignore the cars in the workshop, I just couldn't decide which colour I liked...

[antonye]

OOOOO Yeah! Looking good!

[TP]

Originally posted by antonye
PS. Ignore the cars in the workshop, I just couldn't decide which colour I liked...

Is that Clarkson's queue of replacement cars?

[antonye]

Originally posted by TP
Is that Clarkson's queue of replacement cars?

I couldn't possibly comment, but I quite fancy the Mustang GT up on the ramp...

[antonye]

Mark the Pit Bitch gets a firm grip on his spanners and tightens his nuts...

[antonye]

Looking good...

[ericthered40]

lookin good not long now :)

[Murray Mint]

Antonye how much did the stand cost you and where did you get it from, looks like a cool bit of kit.

Murray

[TP]

Originally posted by Murray Mint
Antonye how much did the stand cost you and where did you get it from, looks like a cool bit of kit.

Murray

I have one that is brand new and I've never used it - they are great.

I'll sell it to you if you like.

[antonye]

Originally posted by Murray Mint
Antonye how much did the stand cost you and where did you get it from, looks like a cool bit of kit.


It was free :lol:

It belongs to Mark, he brought it round to help build the bike up at a comfortable level. You can raise and lower it as you want. Great bit of kit. He'll be along shortly to let you know...

[mjbayley]

Murray, you have a u2u.

Mark.

[antonye]

Originally posted by mjbayley
Murray, you have a u2u.
Mark.

Oi! Get back in the garage or I'll get the whip out again! :devil:

[antonye]

More pics from the dungeon...

[antonye]

Optimistic rev counter...

[Edited on 23-2-2006 by antonye]

[ali]

Billet master cylinder!!!:o Very tasty. :D

The angle on the bars looks very steep, will almost certinly give you grief if you plan on keeping the standard SS fairings. My harris ones were like that and meant I had to run almost sod-all lock to get through scrutineering. I later discovered at Cadwell that lock is a good thing, especially when trying to avoid highsiding!:lol:

Cheers,

Ali

[domski]

Aren't you gunna clean it? You should be ashamed :P

:lol:

Very nice Ant.

[Scooter916]

HMMMM BLING, we like :D

[antonye]

Originally posted by ali
The angle on the bars looks very steep, will almost certinly give you grief if you plan on keeping the standard SS fairings.

They're the same bars I ran last year. I modified the fairings to suit - you only need to shop a little out of the side pieces.

This year they're a little bit higher anyway, so it may be ok without modifying them. I've got last years fairings plus a new set waiting to be painted, so we'll see which one is done first.

[domski]

Originally posted by antonye
I've got last years fairings plus a new set waiting to be painted, so we'll see which one is done first.

I think we all know which one has been done :lol::saint:;):D

[antonye]

Many times. Many, many times.

[domski]

Awww ((((((((hugs))))))))) :lol:

At least you get to have a holiday in San Fran every fortnight ;):smug:

[ericthered40]

Looking good I like the ali swinger :devil:

Well more than the Ali swinger above who is decidedly dodgy ;)

[domski]

Is he a swinger? Hrmm, does Saara know? I guess she must - hence the word 'swinger' :lol:

[ericthered40]

I was referring to his ability to swing on a set of handle bars :D

But you never know in these sexually liberated times we live in.
who would have thought Dickie would have been pulled off in a bands garage when he wasn't even in the same team.

Stay vigilant mate you know it makes sence :lol:

[antonye]

This episode of Carry On DSC starred...

:D

[ali]

I swing on the track, I swing at home, and I sometimes swing in the park (pigtails and plaid skirts), but none of these are open for discussion....:lol:

[antonye]

:D :D :D

http://horrible.demon.co.uk/600-620/slides/Complete%20at%20last.JPG

[antonye]

http://horrible.demon.co.uk/600-620/slides/I%20see%20you%20baby.JPG

[antonye]

http://horrible.demon.co.uk/600-620/slides/Remote%20Resevoirs.JPG

[dickieducati]

run out of black insulating tape for the numbers this year:puzzled:

looking great.

[antonye]

Originally posted by dickieducati
run out of black insulating tape for the numbers this year:puzzled:

Cheeky fscker! I had those numbers on for most of last year as well!

I'm using last years fairing as this years are not ready yet. They should be done in time for Brands though.

Just adding a couple of hoover tubes like on Geoff's bike... ;)

[ali]

Looks fantastic mate. Well done. Especially like the little bracket for the brake/clutch resevoirs.... :D

Ali

[Jools]

I love these build reports. The bike looks fantastic, lot of work gone into that. Love all the little details like the ones the other guys have mentioned.

Mind you, it seems like a doctor or someone with the same standard of handwriting has scribbled something about fuel on the tank..

Well done Antonye, look forward to seeing it racing.

[Ray]

The standard of prep on the DD field looks like it's taking a big step forward judging by the bikes I've seen on here and in the flesh.

Here's hoping they all stay shiny side up,

Ray.

[antonye]

Originally posted by Jools
Mind you, it seems like a doctor or someone with the same standard of handwriting has scribbled something about fuel on the tank..

That'll be Mitch the Mechanic's dodgy writing ;)

Well done Antonye, look forward to seeing it racing.

Cheers! Don't forget to come and say hello.