Cost ??

[sye73]

Given the amount of threads related to DD recently, curiosity has inevitably got the better of me! Could anyone give me an indication of what I'd need to set aside for a seasons racing, and if it really is a feasable proposition for someone that's just done a handful of trackdays?
Thanks

[TP]

Given the amount of threads related to DD recently, curiosity has inevitably got the better of me! Could anyone give me an indication of what I'd need to set aside for a seasons racing, and if it really is a feasable proposition for someone that's just done a handful of trackdays?
Thanks

I had done 1 track day and Level 1 of the CSS before I entered DD, so you'll be fine. Although to be fair, I did complete the rest of the CSS levels before taking the grid.

Cost .. .there's quite a few websites that have detailed this cost. Skids has a good list in this forum somewhere on how cheaply it can be done if you're very hands on.

If you're not, phillc has a good one that is slightly less but gets you on the 583 grid for a fair bit less than I spent getting on the Class A grid last year!

Let me dig it out for you, it's on his kapitalmoto website.

[TP]

Here's phillc's costs article. It's a good website with other good info on there.

http://kapitalmoto.co.uk/node/101

[fil2]

Given the amount of threads related to DD recently, curiosity has inevitably got the better of me! Could anyone give me an indication of what I'd need to set aside for a seasons racing, and if it really is a feasable proposition for someone that's just done a handful of trackdays?
Thanks

welcome dude

cost is down to what you want to spend i guess......as mentioned there is a good link already given

prior to the DD 90% of the field had never raced before and some had not even ridden on track....!!

Its a race series to cater for all levels and no matter where you fit you will have some cracking battles and fun....

Phil

[sye73]

many thanks TP, I'll have a read up.
What dictates peoples choice as to what class to compete in? Is it financially or experience driven ?

[sye73]

nice one, thanks Fil2

[Tonio600]

Here's phillc's costs article. It's a good website with other good info on there.
http://kapitalmoto.co.uk/node/101

Yes it's a good one. Not only because it's my sponsor, but Phill writes well and interesting things. A very good stuff in the bikes world...

[TP]

many thanks TP, I'll have a read up.
What dictates peoples choice as to what class to compete in? Is it financially or experience driven ?

Generally financial. There's a range of abilities in each class so it kind of doesn't really matter. I'd say the pointy end of each class is fairly evenly matched in terms of rider ability, as fil2 showed everyone at Cadwell after cleaning up the 583 championship he went and got 2nd on his 620.

The 583 laptimes are slower because the 620's have more midrange as well as more peak power.

He didn't have it all his way in the 583 championship either, and would have have had more to do if bloody Griff had of stayed on a little more :D

Although clearly class A is the gucci class and the elite and the 583 class ... well, they're ok I suppose ... :p

[phil_h]

Hi sye !
The one thing i couldnt see anyone detailing is the cost per meeting - which averages out at about 150 per days racing, so 6 meetings will be about another grand.
PhilC's spreadsheet gives a very good breakdown of all the other costs.

And of course you can do it !
If you've been on a trackday and enjoyed it, then you've done the rehearsal's, cos racing is the real thing :)

[sye73]

thanks TP...... Oh, and I was wondering if there was some kinda 'class / status ' remarks on the cards :o)

[TP]

thanks TP...... Oh, and I was wondering if there was some kinda 'class / status ' remarks on the cards :o)

All friendly banter mate, most of the class B people can't understand it or type for that matter anyway so have no fear.

:lol:

:p

Batten down the hatches!!!!!

[sye73]

Hi Phil h, yeah I was wondering if I was missing a 'key cost' ! Cheers

[phillc]

Aaawww thanks for the kind words folks.

At the end of the season (well actually only 1/2 season for me, 4 rounds) the total cost has come to a little over £5k all in. I'll update the Kapital Moto article in the coming days.

Of course you could do it a whole lot cheaper than that too - for example I could have saved £120 by camping this last weekend at Cadwell rather than deciding on a warm hotel room in Louth. I also could have saved money by not racing on Saturday, but I was greedy for more track time.

And then there's other things you might not need to buy that I did - full piece race suit, new boots and gloves etc.

Next season will also be cheaper as I already own the bike and necessary racing kit. Less capital expense and more operational outgoings as I plan on hopefully being at all 8 rounds.

[NBs996]

Sye, in my opinion......

A few trackdays under your belt is very useful before hitting the grid. You'll benefit greatly from knowing how both you and your race bike goes round a race track, but you've got some track experience so just get yourself a DD bike together and take it for a couple of winter tests to get used to it and set it up. I'd done 6 track days before joining up, and then 1 on the monster to familiarise myself with the bike and work out what needed doing to it.

As for cost, like said, it doesn't have to cost much at all. I've done 2 seasons (missing just one round) and the total cost stands at £6514.65 - that was starting from scratch, including all the paddock gear, leathers, admin, fuel, food, travel, spares, crash damage, etc... and even includes a few track days for learning new tracks before the races. I did get some good sponsorship for the bike and tyres tho.

So you don't need to spend a kings ransome and build a bike that would envy the Ducati Corse factory to be at the sharp end of it - my bike was little more than just very well maintained (thanks to PeteB) and it got me 5th in the 2005 standing, 7th in 2006 and a couple of trophies to polish.

Go for it, you know it makes sense!

[Zimbo16]

My year's racing a 583 monster has cost around £2500, didn't go to Brands and went to Assen but didn't ride, I rode at all the other meetings though. The £2500 includes buying the bike, leathers, getting the relevant licences and club memberships, fuel and consumeables, entries etc and even a couple of trackdays. I've not included the costs of travelling to and from meetings though. I seriously doubt it could be done much cheaper, and I seriously doubt any other series can match it for value for money! Next year's budget will be around £2000 all in, plus travel costs.

[sye73]

thanks NBs996 / Zimbo16...... It is hugely tempting to say the least. I suppose things like 'what happens if I do a round at cadwell (i.e. miles away) and the poxy thing wont start' and should I think abaout buying towbars and trailers to transport the bike about are holding me back a bit, and that's before I fall off and break my leg! I am not 'hands on' at all when it comes to mechanics so would need to find something fundamentaly reliable as a base bike. 'Testing' seems to be a word thats come up once or twice too.... are you guys sure that I'm not entering BSB or something ??!!!

[ericthered40]

thanks NBs996 / Zimbo16...... It is hugely tempting to say the least. I suppose things like 'what happens if I do a round at cadwell (i.e. miles away) and the poxy thing wont start' and should I think abaout buying towbars and trailers to transport the bike about are holding me back a bit, and that's before I fall off and break my leg! I am not 'hands on' at all when it comes to mechanics so would need to find something fundamentaly reliable as a base bike. 'Testing' seems to be a word thats come up once or twice too.... are you guys sure that I'm not entering BSB or something ??!!!

I have only raced at Oulton park without a track day before hand at least. It's not to be recommended for the inside of your leathers mate. :o
It's not to safe for the others in the race either really.:lol:

[Zimbo16]

I have only raced at Oulton park without a track day before hand at least. It's not to be recommended for the inside of your leathers mate. :o
It's not to safe for the others in the race either really.:lol:

If you're going to choose a track to race without having been there before, Oulton is probably not the best choice! I found it terrifying the first couple of sessions, all those blind approaches!

I raced at Snetterton without having been there before, and missed qualifying too, so lap 1 was my first sight of it. Didn't do much for my lap times the first couple of laps, but didn't really cause a problem because the track is fairly open and easy to learn . . .

[Zimbo16]

thanks NBs996 / Zimbo16...... It is hugely tempting to say the least. I suppose things like 'what happens if I do a round at cadwell (i.e. miles away) and the poxy thing wont start' and should I think abaout buying towbars and trailers to transport the bike about are holding me back a bit, and that's before I fall off and break my leg! I am not 'hands on' at all when it comes to mechanics so would need to find something fundamentaly reliable as a base bike. 'Testing' seems to be a word thats come up once or twice too.... are you guys sure that I'm not entering BSB or something ??!!!

If you're at Cadwell and it won't start, people around you will probably get it going for you, so don't worry about it! If it really won't start it's a waste of the entries, but won't cost any more - you'd spent the money anyway!

As for getting something reliable, they're all pretty reliable, even the sheds. Whatever you get, have the valve clearances done and belts changed, and the fueling set up on a dyno, and you'll be unlucky if it breaks down on you in a serious way.

No way around the breaking the leg bit I'm afraid, get insured with CICA and try not to fall off! I don't recall anybody breaking anything this year, although there were a few breaks last year.

[sye73]

Thanks Zimbo 16.......