Tyres - so what make would people prefer

[skidlids]

be nice if we could keep this to just those racing in DD
only one vote per person
choices are

Pirelli
Metzeler
Bridgestone
Michelin
Dunlop
Avon
Maxxis
Continentals

of which I have raced on 5 of the above and 5 of the above were asked at the begning of 2005 about supporting DD with a single control tyre, of which one was happy to write a letter of suitability while three others wouldn't

[Ghost]

The poll is only for a make/manufacturer Kev not the model of that manufacturer, as such is of no use.

[skidlids]

The poll is only for a make/manufacturer Kev not the model of that manufacturer, as such is of no use.

I wouldn't say it was of No use

ideally you need to decide on a make before you consider model
Say the majority wanted to race on Mezelers then they would need to be approached to see if they had a tyre suitable for the series that could be used both wet and dry, if they haven't then there is no point in getting in to deeper discussions with them.
Firstly you need to know which tyre manufacturers will support a single tyre option, in 2005 we found One such company after several were approacehed following a riders meeting held early that year.

If nobody wants to use say Continentals then wold there be much point in discussing the issue with them.
If the majority want to stay with Pirelli and they specify a tyre from there range that is suitable then why wouldn't we want to use it.

[Ghost]

Fair point.

[ChrisBushell]

Kev,

The book I was reading on the train this afternoon, was all about the Maserati 250F racers from the 50s, it seems they had tyre problems back them.

Interesting thing is that we apear to have missed their favorite brand off your list:- ENGLEBERT

Perhaps we could resurect that famous name

[trouty]

wheres the option for Koncorde?

[antonye]

Ching Shen?
I thought it was a budget series...

[skidlids]

wheres the option for Koncorde?

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

with your joking and Antony's swearing (same as mutley748's text to me earlier, best I don't reply in the same way here)
It almost makes CBs suggestion sensible
But I thought Englebert was a singer of sorts and I don't mean a sewing machine, maybe he made tyres in his spare time:)

[Robinashman]

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

with your joking and Antony's swearing (same as mutley748's text to me earlier, best I don't reply in the same way here)
It almost makes CBs suggestion sensible
But I thought Englebert was a singer of sorts and I don't mean a sewing machine, maybe he made tyres in his spare time:)

Voted Pirelli butt would prefer Zr's

[faith-healer]

I don't think that a discussion on individual choices serves any point at this time, especially as most people will have had little or no track experience of more than two, or possibly three, different makes/compounds. (Skids excluded :D )

As Chris Bushell has stated the rules for 2009 are "cast in stone"....

....we've got what we've got....live with it.

but....there are alternatives available now that were not available when the original decision to go with Pirelli's was made.

I'm not suggesting one make or another but the fact that 'tyre threads' are continually re-appearing should indicate that there is more than a degree of general dissatisfaction with the current 'arrangements'

The alternatives should be explored sooner rather than later to avoid the confused situation, that's arisen this year, happening again next season

Click http://www.michelinpowerone.com/sitepower/site/indexen.html for details of the new Michelin Power One range, just one of the possible alternatives.

[Imola Duke]

Can we use Avon Square masters!

[skidlids]

Can we use Avon Square masters!

Only the Mk2s

although I prefered the Dunlop K181 on my 400/4

[Chris Wood]

Can you just go race yet......Please.:lol:

[Imola Duke]

Only the Mk2s

although I prefered the Dunlop K181 on my 400/4


TT100's k81 proper rubber

I preferred Avon roadrunners on my old Coffin tank RD250/400 ;)

[skidlids]

on my old Coffin tank RD250/400 ;)

Bit to modern for me, mine were round tank 250 and 350s with one of the 350s being a YR5, now that had an interesting power delivery.

And it didn't matter which tyres I used I always managed to ride beyond the limit, where the the solid footrest would lift the rear wheel off the ground and send you slideing towards the outside of the roundabout.

[Imola Duke]

Bit to modern for me, mine were round tank 250 and 350s with one of the 350s being a YR5, now that had an interesting power delivery.

And it didn't matter which tyres I used I always managed to ride beyond the limit, where the the solid footrest would lift the rear wheel off the ground and send you slideing towards the outside of the roundabout.

How old are you..lol

you will be telling me next you had a suzuki stinger c/w mk1 square masters ;)

I always wanted a H1, KH's lost the animal factor .......

[skidlids]

Had a H1F complete with a nice set of spannies
it went around corners well in a straight line :lol:

Compared to my other two-stroke triple a GT750 Kettle the H1F was an animal

[Imola Duke]

Had a H1F complete with a nice set of spannies
it went around corners well in a straight line :lol:

Compared to my other two-stroke triple a GT750 Kettle the H1F was an animal

Old meets new http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NuIGSv4vC8&feature=related

[skidlids]

When 3-cylinders just isn't enough
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/2594296218_2f9b905073.jpg

or how about a V8 four-stroke

http://serge.rossi.free.fr/montlhery2001/kawasaki1.jpg

[Imola Duke]

When 6 is not enough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ratfuML9QA&feature=related

:D

[mat2hew]

I noticed that someone voted for maxis, (or however you spell it) I voted for pirelles (or however you spell it) BUT i read a report by guy martin who said they were a good tyre, and very well priced i think, I'd like to try them all really, do you think that could be aranged?

[Ghost]

Nothing stopping you trying them all at any trackday, I don't think too many freebie offers would be coming your way to do it tho'.

[rossco572]

i voted for maxxis tyres based on some reports i had read and feedback from other riders who have tested them, also due to the fact that , like Pirelli, they were willing to certify the tyre safe for the uses that we have in mind for the tyre and also it seems to have good longevity when used in race conditions. the fact that they have also indicated that prices would be more competitive and that they would support the series to a greater extent than the current supplier.:) a win win situation if ever i saw one!!

[mat2hew]

sounds great!! :), dy'ah think they'd give'm us for nuffin'?

[Fastfasulli]

I vote for the tyres used by Burt Munro on his 'Indian' motorcycle. How about that, one tyre to last the next 10 seasons. The black shoe polish must be included in the price otherwise I won't be buying ;-))))

[Rattler]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rbu/lowres/rbun35l.jpg

[paynep]

Neigh

[rossco572]

sounds great!! :), dy'ah think they'd give'm us for nuffin'?
you can throw your money away if you want, but i would rather hold on to mine thanks!!!!

[skidlids]

you can throw your money away if you want, but i would rather hold on to mine thanks!!!!


I take it they are fitted to your road bike then

Currently my 998Hybrid, my 996Bp, my S2R and my R6 road bikes are all on Pirelli Diablos, there are cheaper tyres out there but I trust my Pirellis so I'll stick with them even if it means paying a bit extra

[Imola Duke]

After the Anglesey round this thread will be interesting ;)

[MLC Racing]

This thread sounds like one of those Blue Peter Pet names rigged pole kind of things.
Perhaps we could raise some money for tyre warmers!

[TP]

This thread sounds like one of those Blue Peter Pet names rigged pole kind of things.
Perhaps we could raise some money for tyre warmers!

Are you angling for warmers Dave? :D

[jimbers45]

i would vote wets and warmers on the current tyres?

[skidlids]

Back to Tyre warmers again

Then we could move away from a single tyre rule and run super Corsas (SC1, SC2 & SC3)
£130 for a front, £150 for a rear
and for the Wet The Diablo Rain (SCR1, SCR2) at £120 front, £155 rear
Plus cost of warmers and a Genny

Been there done that and your racing ends up costing you more, just ask TWPD or AK

[jimbers45]

sorry Kev....dont understand? Genny...yes I see that! but why the move to super corsa?

[skidlids]

sorry Kev....dont understand? Genny...yes I see that! but why the move to super corsa?

If bothering with wets and warmers then why stay with Diablos, may as well have the extra 1.5 secs a lap that proper race rubber offers, just like I do when I race in Minitwins.

After all one of the main complaints coming from some corners is about the cost of Diablos and this is what this thread is about

I can't see as just adding warmers helps not unless you make them compulsory so that everyone entering the first corner on the first lap has the same amount of heat in their tyres.

It would just all add to the costs

Lack of warmers didn't seem to be a problem for Cobby last year, take Race 2 at Pembrey last year, his first lap was 7 seconds slower than his second lap yet it was still in the 1m 14s bracket just like yours and mine best laps for the race.

On a 583 I have done 1m 10S in Minitwins using Warmers and Super Corsas and on my 750SSie I have managed a 1m 08S lap again using Supercorsas but no tyre warmer in Minitwins.

So if Cobby can go as fast on cold tyres as we do on warm ones yet is prepared to take it fairly easy on the first lap by his standards then I can't see the need for warmers on Diablos we just all need to learn to ride like him. In race 1 his first lap was a 1m 12S and we didn't manage that on warm tyres let alone get anywhere his 1M 06S fastest lap.

[jimbers45]

agree! so can we have the wets then?

[skidlids]

The original vote went the way of not having wets and I still think thats the right choice, without wets there is no need for spare wheels (usually with discs) or the need to carry paddock stands to every meeting and as a starter series it cuts down on the exspense and for those with just a car and trailer as they are just starting out in racing it does cause them less hassle.
It also saves a lot of hanging around in the paddock with the bike in the air and wheels out waiting to make a decision on what the weather is going to do.
Over the previous 4 years of DD I have done quite a few wet races and don't have a issue with the Diablos in the wet, I can safely say I enjoyed the wet race at Assen last year

[TP]

I don't think there is anyone who doesn't take paddock stands!

[Robinashman]

I don't have any issues with the current H rated tyres so long as everyone uses them! My issue is the cost for a very average tyre, phoning around there are few suppliers with stock and that will only mean higher and higher prices. I think alternatives need to be sourced just in case; “set in stone statements” don’t fill me with confidence.

[skidlids]

Current rules mean You don't Have to Have a Generator, Tyre warmers, wets, spare wheels, spare discs, paddock stands, wheel changing tools etc

In fact you could ride your bike to the circuit and race it, Which both Earl and Jed Attack have done in the past.

Intoduce warmers and wets and the above list more or less becomes a necessity, even a van or box trailer becomes a good idea.

Don't get me wrong, I spent 8 years racing in classes using Wets and warmers before DD got off the ground and think its a exspense that DD doesn't need. More so class B than class A especially as Class B attracts regular newcomers to racing with part of the appeal being the costs involved.

And as long as mixed grids are used it would be unwise to run the two classes on different tyre setups.

I'm suprised DD has lasted this long if its in dire need of differnt tyres along with wets and warmers, especially with the choices of other classes out there. Let alone attract riders like Cobby and Geoff Spencer among others

[Fastfasulli]

I'm suprised DD has lasted this long if its in dire need of differnt tyres along with wets and warmers, especially with the choices of other classes out there. Let alone attract riders like Cobby and Geoff Spencer among others[/QUOTE]


Agree with this - that is the beauty of DD.

[jimbers45]

......and I agree.....I actually have no problem with the tyre we're using because effectively we're all on the same and agree with all the arguments put forward to staying the same.

But if we are going to evolve, if we feel we need to, or our potential subscribers need to, then the easiest and cheapest way IMHO would be diablo's with warmers (if only from a confidence perspective and given we all actually believe warmers dont make seconds difference) and wets (which I rode on my DD bike for the first time on Friday and I really really enjoyed) from a safety point of view.

As to the type of tyre....I've only ever ridden Pirelli....so I am not qualified to respond to the Poll...so I havent!

[Matt-T28]

[quote=jimbers45]

But if we are going to evolve, if we feel we need to, or our potential subscribers need to, then the easiest and cheapest way IMHO would be diablo's with warmers (if only from a confidence perspective and given we all actually believe warmers dont make seconds difference) and wets (which I rode on my DD bike for the first time on Friday and I really really enjoyed) from a safety point of view.

[quote]

I am finding it difficult to see your side of the arguement for wets and warmers to be honest given that from a safety aspect this series has got to be one of the safest going. It took me a while to get my head round riding on these tyres in the wet but once i did they are unbelievable! I just dont see how you can ask for them on the grounds of safety when in the three wet races i can remember last year i can only think of one faller at assen.
I dont think there are any other series that run wets and warmers that can say that!

[Ghost]

I don't think warmers are a requirement, me personally have used Diablo Corsa and Corsa111 on my 749 road bike for the last 3 sets of rubber doing 25 laps of the ring in a weekend also.

My only bitch is being constrained to H rated, Z rated are available and lots of peeps would prefer to use them, I would for sure, even tho' I've only had one moment with these current tyres, which was a back end step out at clearways.

Like Skids, Brands was a torrential down pour which stopped the race after 6 laps, but I actually enjoyed racing in it. But the rain does level the field, quite a bit. :D

[Imola Duke]

Ian cobby can ride on any rubber very quick. (watched him race in BOTT etc)
He has the skill to slide the bike around etc, so it's not realistic to
use Ian as a guide. (I don't think he ever was 100% in any dd race ;)

The H rated tyres are fine for me and as Skids said it's about the cost.
Now....... I thought pirelli sponsored the series ??
Using Race tyre prices is usless to compare against a H rated road tyre
which is all it is.
Suppliers are cashing in on them FULL STOP!
Have a look at other H rated road tyre price's :)

But as normal it will be a pirelli did this and pirelli that response....
It's not pirelli it's the middle man ;)

Sticky stuff just jumped on the band wagon................

[Ghost]

Ian cobby can ride on any rubber very quick. (watched him race in BOTT etc)
He has the skill to slide the bike around etc, so it's not realistic to
use Ian as a guide. (I don't think he ever was 100% in any dd race ;)

The H rated tyres are fine for me and as Skids said it's about the cost.
Now....... I thought pirelli sponsored the series ??
Using Race tyre prices is usless to compare against a H rated road tyre
which is all it is.
Suppliers are cashing in on them FULL STOP!
Have a look at other H rated road tyre price's :)

But as normal it will be a pirelli did this and pirelli that response....
It's not pirelli it's the middle man ;)

I'd echo all of that Steve, good post.

[Imola Duke]

I'd echo all of that Steve, good post.

Well Thanks Phil :)

Know doudt it will be shot to bits ...:lol:

[jimbers45]

[quote=jimbers45]

But if we are going to evolve, if we feel we need to, or our potential subscribers need to, then the easiest and cheapest way IMHO would be diablo's with warmers (if only from a confidence perspective and given we all actually believe warmers dont make seconds difference) and wets (which I rode on my DD bike for the first time on Friday and I really really enjoyed) from a safety point of view.

[quote]

I am finding it difficult to see your side of the arguement for wets and warmers to be honest given that from a safety aspect this series has got to be one of the safest going. It took me a while to get my head round riding on these tyres in the wet but once i did they are unbelievable! I just dont see how you can ask for them on the grounds of safety when in the three wet races i can remember last year i can only think of one faller at assen.
I dont think there are any other series that run wets and warmers that can say that!

....and matt I'm actually not advocating ANY change.....I took and take the view that thems the tyres thems the rules, learn to adapt or bugger off and do something else!

BUT what I am saying is that I found running on wets was infinately more confidence inspiring which for a novice is important and the same for warmers.

As Steve says, Cobby et al....and yourself probably included, are quick on our tyre and will be quicker on whatever your put on....and because you are I aspire to be. And thats good! :)

[bradders]

at the risk of upsetting some...why should DD get a better deal than any other race series? The way I undertsand it, Pirelli do us more of a favour than we do them. Without them, control tyres would not be possible and DD would probably not still be alive

in terms of cost, £160 is cheap for tyres! What do slicks and wets cost? and what about better rubber? I'm looked at a pair of super corsa and the thick end of over £200

think a reality check is needed; this is club racing at its cheapest form

[Chris Wood]

think a reality check is needed; this is club racing at its cheapest form

Give that man a round of applause!!!

Bradders for PM.

[chris.p]

at the risk of upsetting some...why should DD get a better deal than any other race series? The way I undertsand it, Pirelli do us more of a favour than we do them. Without them, control tyres would not be possible and DD would probably not still be alive

in terms of cost, £160 is cheap for tyres! What do slicks and wets cost? and what about better rubber? I'm looked at a pair of super corsa and the thick end of over £200

think a reality check is needed; this is club racing at its cheapest form


Well said Paul.

To set your self up with a generator and a set of tyre warmers will cost a minimum of £400, then if you addd to that the cost of a set of wets and a set o wheels and discs to go with them another £400, so a total of £800 give or take the fact you have bought new/second hand or scrounged off a racer mate.
Now what else could that money have been spent on over a season.
A full top end strip and rebuild???
Tyres for the season???
Spare set of fairings, clipons, rearsets etc
A hire van for the season??


It has been proved that tyre warmers are NOT needed with a good quality road tyre.
It has been proved that the tyre is DAMN good in the wet, after all it is a road tyre.

If anything as riders you should be pushing your rider reps's to get a meeting with New Era and the DD rep to ask for TWO warm up laps, problem solved, tyres nice and warm and ready to race. Worked for the R6 Cup lads and many other series.


Chris:burn:

[Ghost]

No one seems to take on why we don't use a Z rated, they are available and cheaper and equally as good. They were raced on previous with no adverse effects.

[skidlids]

No one seems to take on why we don't use a Z rated, they are available and cheaper and equally as good. They were raced on previous with no adverse effects.


I did offer one suggestion here
http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/showthread.php?t=78904&page=5

But it may have been over looked by some

Or could ZR rated ones be getting cheaper as Pirelli have now replaced them with the ZR rated Diablo Rosso, it could be that the ZR rated ones are older stock that is being sold off.

[skidlids]

We're not te only ones discussing tyres

Person with a triumph TT600 wants to know what to do now the Pirelli Diablo has been discontinued
(on a TT600 it would be ZR rated)
http://www.triumphrat.net/biker-hang-out/106757-has-anybody-combined-pirelli-diablo-corsa-front-with-standard-diablo-rear.html

This one made me laugh
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163748

[harriebird]

Well said Paul.

To set your self up with a generator and a set of tyre warmers will cost a minimum of £400, then if you addd to that the cost of a set of wets and a set o wheels and discs to go with them another £400, so a total of £800 give or take the fact you have bought new/second hand or scrounged off a racer mate.

agreed. i'm putting together my next race bike at the mo, and this year, unless it's sunny i will be stuck :eek: of course it's always sunny so i will be fine :D

i thought my washing machine had bust the other week, which was going to be my wets/spare wheels budget all gone :( and i shall be blagging as much as i can in the way of tyre warmers etc, and ideally only going to rounds where there is a garage :eek: because there is no denying it's a lot of extra money for all the extra kit required. my choice though :)

i think for a newbie, taking all the tyre decisions away is brilliant. we know that the fast guys/girls are doing fantastic inspiring things on the control tyres. i was talking to someone recently about the racing i had done in the past, and it took me quite a while to convince him what we were racing on and the times the fast folks were setting.

i am trying to get my head round all the different tyres i can have for my 400, and it gives me a headache just thinking about it :rolleyes:

£800 would buy a lot of test days/track days/extra races which imho is what helps newbies the most :)

[Imola Duke]

I guess on this forum i'm just a membership number ?
But this forum is so quiet because it's the same old few shooting to bits
anyone who dare post against the chosen few ...Clique springs to mind!
I have noticed most of the posts are from... dare i say unpaid members!!
But i will carry on paying £40 a year to ride in DD..................

Kev i convinced you knocking off Mr Pirelli's Daughter :D

Now tell me you are a better racer than a certain PB test rider... who dare i say praised up Maxxis tyres......... But know doudt you have raced on them ;)

[Chris Wood]

Now tell me you are a better racer than a certain PB test rider... who dare i say praised up Maxxis tyres......... But know doudt you have raced on them ;)

But...does that PB rider use them in the BSB, BSS, TT, Macua?

Does anyone on track currently use them??

I'd like a better reason to use them than 'they are cheaper and more readily available'.

It is easy for a mainly silent minority to suggest a mainly silent majority is a clique, or maybe as has been suggested the majority are trying to protect a proven formula.??

But keep the tyre debate going, 5 years on it still remains healthy.;)

[Lily]

As long as the H rated Diablos are still available and the cost of them doesn't start to become that of super sticky rubber then I am all for keeping them as they work.

I would see no issue with allowing both the H and ZR if that helps to keep the supply up and the prices keen.

Personal preference is to allow wets, but that's just because I am **** in the wet on Diablos so it's purely selfish :lol:

although i have tyres warmers etc anyway I can't really see a benefit to them in DD whilst we are sticking with the sensible road tyres that heat up quick. I do think requesting an additional warm up lap would be a good plan, just for the psychological side if nothing else.

[skidlids]

Kev i convinced you knocking off Mr Pirelli's Daughter :D



Is she nice

No not quite
But when its 10am in the morning on the Isle of Man and your bike is lined up on Glencrutchery Road, the rider is just about to take off down Bray Hill on New Tyres at full blat, no tyre warmers, no warm up lap just a 150 mile, 1hr 20min 4 lap race ahead of him then it was the Pirellis he trusted his life to as did the majority of other riders.

I must look into seeing what Guy Martin has been using at the TT

[gordonparker]

"I must look into seeing what Guy Martin has been using at the TT"

I know which one it wasn't:lol:

[Scooter916]

I know Guy, and to be honest the way he treats his bikes its a wonder anyone can get feedback from him, He normally only lasts a lap or so before he has wrung the bikes Neck and Killed it, Or broke a geat lever stamping on it.

[bradders]

Imola, dont think its a clique (although there are some in the paddock, thats always the case!) more a 'if it aint broke' attitude. Having done only a couple of rounds, incl a very wet Assen which unlike Kev I didn t enjoy that much!! my limited exposure to the tyres they seem to work well enough in all occasions on track. I'm sure quite a few (you included) are out-riding super sticky slicks on hornets and 400's on these things

when it comes to Maxxis, I have no real view having never used them. Would I choose to? well I'm just replacing some on my road bike and it will be michellin or pirelli, although over £100 (about 50%) more expensive. Not because I can afford to, I cant! but because I know and trust them. For the same reasons I wont have Metzler or Dunlop. Also, the maxis I looked at for my bike, which were recomended by the site I visited, were only rated to 150

I havent read all the thread, but get the gist of a key issue being cost for some; would it be worth putting the costs agaisnt the tyres that would be suitable from all brands? at least then a context can be added

[Imola Duke]

Not got a problem with Don't fix it if it aint broke.:)

Never said i think the tyres should change to another brand...
But it's the monopoly on price that ............................
But i give up now :D

It was good to meet you Bradders :)

[MLC Racing]

Isn't advocating the benefits of two warm up laps yet suggesting tyre warmers are of no benefit a contradiction! ?

[Lily]

my suggestion was based on the psychological element. The tyres do warm up quickly but it takes a while to feel confident that this is the case so that extra warm up lap just gives that extra feeling of confidence ... and it's cheaper than tyre warmers :D

[MLC Racing]

my suggestion was based on the psychological element. The tyres do warm up quickly but it takes a while to feel confident that this is the case so that extra warm up lap just gives that extra feeling of confidence ... and it's cheaper than tyre warmers :D

Hi Claire, how ya doing.

Its past your bedtime now....go on....go on...

[Imola Duke]

But when its 10am in the morning on the Isle of Man and your bike is lined up on Glencrutchery Road, the rider is just about to take off down Bray Hill on New Tyres at full blat, no tyre warmers, no warm up lap just a 150 mile, 1hr 20min 4 lap race ahead of him then it was the Pirellis he trusted his life to as did the majority of other riders.

:confused:
According to a TT Marshall i just got off the phone to they use tyre
warmers ;)
They are removed just before the off :confused:

[Lily]

Hi Claire, how ya doing.

Its past your bedtime now....go on....go on...

I am great, how's you? will you be at Anglesey for some fun?

[bradders]

It was good to meet you Bradders :)

likewise buddy, will see you around the paddock this year, donnington timings stopped me going there and I'm in Germany for Angelsey!! seee you at the next one...as long as you have coffee on the go ;)

[Imola Duke]

likewise buddy, will see you around the paddock this year, donnington timings stopped me going there and I'm in Germany for Angelsey!! seee you at the next one...as long as you have coffee on the go ;)

Looking forward to it :)

[Scooter916]

But when its 10am in the morning on the Isle of Man and your bike is lined up on Glencrutchery Road, the rider is just about to take off down Bray Hill on New Tyres at full blat, no tyre warmers, no warm up lap just a 150 mile, 1hr 20min 4 lap race ahead of him then it was the Pirellis he trusted his life to as did the majority of other riders.

:confused:
According to a TT Marshall i just got off the phone to they use tyre
warmers ;)
They are removed just before the off :confused:

Kev has run a bike or 2 at the TT........
Do a search on Adrian Crossan, I think it was he who rode Kevs bikes there, Quick lad too he is, VERY QUICK.

[skidlids]

Yes the bigger teams hae used tyre warmers over the last few years as they have the Gennys and the armoured hook up cables to reach across the parc ferme, Norml cables as seen in most paddocks aren't allowed,
When the race is called and the bikes released from Parc Ferme to line up on Glencruthey road its a big advantage if you have an early start number if you have been using warmers,
In 2002 when Adrian was riding Senna3's 1999 Fireblade fitted with the Ohlins bits off my Blade he started 89th in the Proddy 1000 dispite ending very quallifying session somewhere between 10th and 21st. With bikes going off at 10 sec intervals he sat there for just under 15 minutes waiting for his turn so warmers would have been of little use. With something like 70 slower riders starting ahead of him he had a lot of work to do and passing riders on the first lap with unscrubbed cold tyres was a necessity. That yar he finished 29th with only DJ passing him on the road.
Next year again using Pirellis, no warmers and my bikes he had 25th in Proddy 1000, 21st in the Junior and 24th in the Proddy 600 whch should have been a lot better if the race had run full distance after our early pitstop.
2004 this time on my ZXR400 again on Pirellis with no warmers, first practice was 2nd fastest in the Lightweight class, lapped at 108mph during the race but sadly crashed out of 7th on the final lap well within Silver replica time of McGuiness and the crash had nowt to do with the tyres, but totaled my £4k bike, now thats when racing becomes exspensive.

To right we are happy with Pirelli tyres, even on Dragon Evo Corsas at the Manx GP he was lapping at 115mph on his CBR600 Steelie, which is why we would always pay a bit more for Pirellis even though there were cheaper options available

A few pics as you an see even in the two pics from 2004 not everyone used warmers sadly the racer in the background of the Voxan pic is no longer with us because no make of tyre grips on a Diesel covered road

As to what tyres has Guy Martin been using on the roads, i'll let you work it out for yourselves

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3037/2556666224_02865fc521.jpg
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/Isle-of-Man_GuyMartin.jpg
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/210911/images/pacemaker-IOM-TT-Guy-Martin.jpg

[faith-healer]

No-one is disputing that Pirelli's are good tyres but as usual, for this subject, the posts degenerate into Yah Boo! posturing.

It turns the whole tyre debate into a joke, (perhaps that is a deliberate ploy by some), and the whole point is lost.

The fact that the topic keeps returning, indicates there is a problem, be it supply, price, rating, or otherwise.

Personally I got a trade deal for my tyres but others have paid thro' the nose.

This whole topic needs to be addressed from the top....there are alternatives now and they should be looked at in readiness for the 2010 season.


PS.

Kevin it is now general practice with 75% of the grid to have tyre warmers replaced on Glencrutchy road with "briefcase" gene's. TT and Manx GP

With many generators freely available for under £100 and tyre warmers even less.....A set of Pirelli Diablos (retail) now cost MORE

[skidlids]

Vote as it stands at the moment and only counting 2009 DD entrants

Pirelli 16
Bridgestone 1 (maybe 2 )
Michelin 3
Maxxis 1

[faith-healer]

As Ghost said earlier....and me....

....The vote is totally irrelevant as it doesn't distinguish between each manufacturer's product.

We could vote Avon and end up on "Speedmaster's" or Dunlop...and get "TT100's"

Can't we address this topic professionally ?

[skidlids]

As Ghost said earlier....and me....

....The vote is totally irrelevant as it doesn't distinguish between each manufacturer's product.

We could vote Avon and end up on "Speedmaster's" or Dunlop...and get "TT100's"

Can't we address this topic professionally ?


You call the above comment professional

Well going on previous knowledge and experience having been involved with DD since 2004 it leaves us with Pirelli and their Diabo and the Maxxis from what I'm told, unless the likes of Michelin, Dunlop etc have changed their views.

or should I list every tyre currently made by every company knowing most would not be suitable for a single tyre series.

I take it you would prefer another option to the Pirelli Diablo,
well Pirelli have ruled out any other tyre in their range for the time being but will no doubt support the use of a H rated Diablo Rosso in 2010 if its available.

Yet from the poll most people (as in the majority that have so far voted) favour using a Pirelli

Could always look into junking the single control tyre for 2010 and go with warmers and wets, that would suit me apart from the extra costs as I already have spare wheels with discs and wets, tyre warmers, genny and I'd be on either Pirellis or Metzelers and then I may as well be off to race in Minitwins

[Imola Duke]

I have sent Pirelli a email asking why they charge so much for a H rated road tyre average £190 retail a pair when i can buy a pair of corsa 3's for £220 for my 900ss :rolleyes:

[Chris Wood]

I have sent Pirelli a email asking why they charge so much for a H rated road tyre average £190 retail a pair when i can buy a pair of corsa 3's for £220 for my 900ss :rolleyes:

I thought they were 160 fitted from Holbeach?

So based on the poll, i'm not convinced there is a problem?

I'm all ears, please somebody rephrase it again?

DSC sets up a one make control series, invites people to come and play, they sign up, then toys go out the pram over the tyres? weird.... But i'm sure it is the same in MotoGP over the Bridgestones:rolleyes:

If you want to make a positive difference, get on the race commitee, rather than sitting back whinging maybe? I double dare ya....

[Tonio600]

I can't believe this thread hasn't died yet.

The season has started, the rules are locked til the end of it, let's just get on with having fun on the track, whatever tyres we're using. The most important thing is that we're all on the same ones...

[Imola Duke]

[QUOTE=Chris Wood]I thought they were 160 fitted from Holbeach?

So based on the poll, i'm not convinced there is a problem?

I'm all ears, please somebody rephrase it again?

DSC sets up a one make control series, invites people to come and play, they sign up, then toys go out the pram over the tyres? weird.... But i'm sure it is the same in MotoGP over the Bridgestones:rolleyes:
]

Never said anywhere in this thread i wanted the control tyre changed :confused:
If i want to ask pirelli why the h rated at most retailers are near £190 ...........
I can thats what customer service's is for isn't it ?

[gordonparker]

As stated in previous mails a set of Diablos are available from Holbeach at £145 loose or £160 fitted, which from previous info seems a good deal:)

This price is subsidised and will be held for the season barring any major price increase from Pirelli due to exchange rates etc.

Holbeach do not have a monopoly but they do provide a service at race meetings with stock available.

As they have to pay most if not all race circuits for the space in the paddock it is a very good deal.( can be £1000 for a weekend)

I have spoken to Mark and he is prepared to bring extra sets to meetings but if as at Donnington people order tyres and do not collect/pay for them or have them fitted he will use the limited space in his truck with tyres he can sell.
At the end of the day he has a business to run and the cost of 2/3 fitters plus fuel etc over a weekend is not cheap these days.

These tyres have performed well over the past seasons, the RC have looked at alternatives and will do so in the future as tyres develop, but at the moment these are the best available for the series.

Despite rumours of favours, none are requested or recived from any members of the RC, we only have the interests of the entrants in anything we do- and do this to the best of our ability with the time available.

We can always do with help in running the series / club so if you have anything posative to contribute - Please step forward, all help welcome

[Fastfasulli]

The most important thing is that we're all on the same ones...


Good shout Tonio. Everyone is on the same tyre....so go race :-)

[MLC Racing]

I am great, how's you? will you be at Anglesey for some fun?

Nice offer but I've only got room in my van for the Desmo.
Gonna have to be a late entry if at all. Maybe ok for the next one.

Got an offer for a 'paid for go' at the Manx so earning browny points at the mo'

[Robinashman]

I can't believe this thread hasn't died yet.

The season has started, the rules are locked til the end of it, let's just get on with having fun on the track, whatever tyres we're using. The most important thing is that we're all on the same ones...

Think I may have started this one off but has sparked up some good debate and shows a lot of interest in the subject

My original question was Just bought a new DD bike which is fitted with ZR's can I use them, answer no. Looks like scrutineering at Donington wasn't as thorough as it could have been!! should now be addressed and we will all be on the same H rated rubber. Lets Race!!!!!

[TP]

We can always do with help in running the series / club so if you have anything posative to contribute - Please step forward, all help welcome

No offence Gordon but I always hear that. You should caveat that with 'if your face fits' because that's how it is. Many offers for help go without response and are just ignored.