New Bike

[Sgt.Law]

Im 18 and have about £6,000 for a new bike and about 2000 for insurance, i love ducati's but can't make my mind up what i want ?? suggestions?

Thanks
Lee

[DJ Tera]

You might have to go for a carbed ducati - don't think you can restrict the FI ones.

In which case go for a 900 SL :D

[ali]

My vote goes to a 800 Monster Dark. Excellent riding position/visibility, not outrageously fast, good hooligan potential and a very under-stressed motor. A mint low-mileage one on autotrader should set you back no more than £5k, keep it garaged and the insurance could be manageable.

Or you could bet the £6k on the 3.30pm at Goodwood, and spend the winnings on 999R....

Good luck,

Ali

[Dave G]

I doubt very much whether you'll get any insurance for a superbike at your age.You might want to check a few insurance companies before committing to anything.That said,theres bound to be something for you---er, monsters?,ss's?.
Depend what you want-faired or unfaired?,If your a new rider you wont want something too quirky.(monster again?)
And if your determined to get a ducati,I'd stash away some of your budget to properly service it as they're bikes you neglect at your peril.

[ali]

Completely forgot you need to have restrictions. Make that a 750 Monster.

>In which case go for a 900 SL

You don't want a Superlight. They're nonsense. Not enough of em around. They're the sort of bike that should be left in carefully humidity-controlled garages for the next 20 years, and then sold to me for peanuts when mine wears out!

Ali

Founding member of the Superlight Preservation Society

[Sgt.Law]

Do they make a 600 monster ?? and thanks for info people :D

[antonye]

Originally posted by Sgt.Law
Do they make a 600 monster ??

Monster 620
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/my2004/ducatiModel.jhtml?modelName=620-04

But if it was me, I'd go for the limited edition 620 Capirex...
http://www.ducati.com/scoopage.jhtml?area=promo&scoopNum=055

[Mark]

yep, and used to make 620 S/S and 600's

[Sgt.Law]

I'd go for the 620 Capirex as well that is one nice looking bike :D

[Mark]

indeed law, saw several at the factory, class bikes, and look

[Sgt.Law]

come up with this search on bike trader

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/bikes_search.asp?modelexact=1&make=DUCATI&model=ANY&ccappr=&min_pr=75&max_pr=&postcode=hp19+9ru&miles=40&max_records=200&source=0&sort=3&search=SEARCH

The 6th one down looks alright

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by Sgt.Law]

[Sgt.Law]

Hey if ya want add me to msn makes it easier to talk :D

[Mark]

which one? :lol:

[Sgt.Law]

LoL "1999 DUCATI MONSTER Dark 600, S-reg, 1 previous owner, 12 months MOT/Tax, rare Millennium Edition with yellow frame" that one 6th down :D

[Mark]

at work, can't access msn from here, welcome to add me to u're list however

[Mark]

modified u're search

http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/bikes_search.asp?modelexact=1&make=DUCATI&model=MONSTER&ccappr=620&min_pr=75&max_pr=&postcode=hp19+9ru&miles=40&max_records=200&source=0&sort=3&search=SEARCH

[Sgt.Law]

They all looks good :D i like the way the monster sits but i have alos wanted a bike that can be tuned. is the monster a good bike for that :D

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by Sgt.Law]

[Sgt.Law]

Also need a new helmet and jacket as mines looking preety worn out and have had it for 2 years any websites you can recomened and brand's would be nice

[Mark]

j@s etc, loads in mcn in mart section


don't know about tuning a 620, better off with a 750 for that

[Sgt.Law]

:D ill just do normal stuff exhaust bit of carbonfibre here and there :D thnx man

[AK]

The boys are right about getting your insurance quotes first.
Remember, that anything over £5k is likely going to cost you lots more, as you are under 21 (dont ask me, but thats the way they seem to go).
Over 500cc at 18 could also cost you for insurance too
Have you done your test yet?
Maybe Ronnie at insuremyducati.com could help out on this one?

Just an idea for you: my daughter at 17 & 7 months got an old NC21 (1987 model), 2 years no claims, garaged, non commute, and 1st year - from the cheapest quote cost her £1280!!! (this year at 20, came down to £385, still no claims or convictions....yet!)

Easy to restrict the carbed monsters - not too sure about the injected ones. That said, havent heard of any monster over 600 that has been restricted yet (least, not on the UKMOC site).

Happy researching - and good luck with whatever you get

:D

C

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by CK and AK]

[Borat]

It is possible to get a Monster 620 already resticted to 25Kw not sure of HP
see Ducati.com

[Sgt.Law]

Thanks all been really helpfull i will be seen on this forum much more :D will check insurance right away!

[antonye]

Don't forget that there's also a Monster 400 - it's just that we don't get it in the UK. It might be worth trying to find an imported one, but get a quote first.

Although the bike will probably be under the figures for restricted bikes, the fact it's a grey import may up the insurance too much.

Just another option to throw in!

[TJ]

I had a ZX6R at 18, and had no problems insuring it third party fire and theft, now im 21 and insuring a 748R with a London address no problems either.. go for a 748 mate, you know it makes sense! ;)


TJ

[Mark]

748, the connoisseurs choice! :frog:

[TP]

748R at 21!!!!! I was on a 1 tonne Z1000!!

I wish I could have afforded something like that when I was 21 .... migh tbe on a 998R by now if I did ....

[DJ Tera]

I wouldnt go for a monster 600/620 - far too gutless and you'll get bored of it pretty quickly, go for the 900 - it wont cost too much to insure, I was paying 1200 TPFT on a fireblade at 19, and that's group 17 :o

[AK]

Even the M1000sie is only group 12 - same engine as the multistrimmer - 992cc:D

C

[TJ]

tp-996

Hate to think what ill have in 2 years time :puzzled: ...


:eureka: 999R :smug:

[TP]

Originally posted by TJ
tp-996

Hate to think what ill have in 2 years time :puzzled: ...


:eureka: 999R :smug:

Lucky bugger!

Although I'd prefer the 998R methinks, each to his own, all different types to make a world blah blah etc etc ...

;)

This 998R idea is gathering momentum ... maybe I should stop spending so much money on the 996 ....

stop selling me carbon you lot !!!! :o

:lol:

[Edited on 4-6-2004 by tp-996]

[TJ]

Actually ill probably for for a 998R or a MV F4 1000 (according to MCN this is will be better than the R1 and RSV) but again MVs are uninsurable for under 28s, i tried but no success, anyway ive already got an MV to play with ;)

[Jewell]

Originally posted by Sgt.Law
Im 18 and have about £6,000 for a new bike and about 2000 for insurance, i love ducati's but can't make my mind up what i want ?? suggestions?

Thanks
Lee

this your first road bike mate?

[TJ]

Hi,

If this ‘is’ your first bike I strongly wouldn’t recommend getting a 748 or 900 Monster or any bike twin!

Its best to start off with something a little smaller and a little cheaper. Remember at the end of the day no matter how good you think you are, you will drop it especially if experience is minute and you are riding a powerful twin. I must stress that power delivery on twins is totally diverse to 4s and smaller bikes i.e. small singles. Also big twins, if not used properly they can throw you off especially in the wet.

I advise getting something a little smaller as a starter/first bike... i.e. a little 400 or a SV650.

I started with a 50cc at 16, then a 125, then I got a ZXR400, which was a great little bike, then, a ZX6R, again after that I bought a new CBR600RR (after I had built up my experience on the others and crashed them) and then the 748R.

I’ve got to admit I was like you, I also wanted to go out and spend loads of money on a big bike, but that really wouldn’t have been a clever idea.

If this is your first bike, and you have had little road experience and the bike is mainly for road riding, then 6k to spend on a bike is not the way to do things! You can learn the hard or easy way. Trust me the hard way isn’t nice, I remember seeing my parents faces’ when I had my first ‘big’ crash when I was 17 (which incidentally was another road users fault), it wasn’t good, my mother was heart broken. If I had bought a brand new shiny Duke, and this happened it would have cost major $$$, luckily it was only a little 125 and was easily sorted J Had the same problem with cars, but because I remembered my past experiences I held out on a sports car till a year ago.

Riding bikes on the road is not easy (not trying to put you off), there are many dangers that can be caused both by the riders and others (i.e. car drivers, pedestrians etc). For a start, most people can’t see bikes nor do they understand that the balance is different to four wheels when you are on a bike.

You are still young and have years to come, take it step by step!

Remember it isn’t always good to have it all at once, you get bored too easily, this is the same with girls.


My 2p.

All the best and good luck with what ever you do.

TJ

[Jewell]

well said TJ.

6k for a first bike is way OTT.

In my very honest opnion i wouldn't go for a duke as a first bike,why not a gixxer 600 or Kwak 636?more than enough power for public roads.

And you always crash your first bike,id rather crash a gixxer or kwak than a nice 748.

Im 18 as well,
I had a cagiva mito 125 first and now a 400,both awesome handling bikes and after this summer,im selling my nc30 and getting a TL1000.
and dont want a ducati yet even tho i could buy a 2nd hand one.

plus if you buy a 600,you could buy a decent one for 3300 MAX and save about a grand on insurance and buy sum decent leathers and lid.:saint:

[TJ]

Yup protection is important too!

Remember no point having a fast bike and no protection.

[TJ]

Jewell, why are you on a Ducati forum when you have a Rice burner? :frog: :flame:

[Jewell]

Originally posted by TJ
Jewell, why are you on a Ducati forum when you have a Rice burner? :frog: :flame:

because i love Ducatis:)


and good on ya for wanting a 998R,my dream bike,none of that 999 crap:D;)

[TJ]

What i really want is a 360 spider.. wonder how nice my bank manager is :puzzled:

[Jewell]

nah sod that.cant rolling endo it or do wheelies or get ya elbow down on it.:saint:

[TJ]

lol, you obviously havent driven fast sports cars before ;) :D

[Jewell]

honda s2000?redlined that in 6th on the m5.:D

but sorry no real quick cars

[Jewell]

honda s2000?redlined that in 6th on the m5.:D

but sorry no real quick cars

[kwikbitch]

Surely if the guys got 6 grand to spend...It's his...and he should spend it how he likes....

I bought a V twin for my FIRST big Bike...AND had my 125 for less than 6 months before thinking "what the heck" throwing caution to the wind and getting what I really wanted instead of Nancying about and "working my way up"...
Stuff it! if you can afford the insurance GO FOR IT! Yes I know I'm a woman...yes, my age is a factor, However...I'm only passed a year AND my insurance is still expensive.

Yes...I dropped it...(on numerous occasions!)
So what? It's a bike...It's a hazard of biking...:D

[everton]

Originally posted by Jewell
and good on ya for wanting a 998R,my dream bike,none of that 999 crap:D;)


...............and what do you base that statement on young man :P:P

What didn't you like about it presuming you have ridden one. You can't go on looks alone you know or I certainly wouldn't be married to a supermodel today :smug::smug::smug:

The 999R will blow any 748/916/996/998 into the weeds don'tchaknow :smug::smug:

[Jewell]

yep very true but hes asking for advice.

[everton]

Fairey nuff!!!!

[TP]

My 996 is so much more capable than I am, let alone any R. I wouldn't be able to explore the advantages that a 999R has over a 998R to be honest - I just like the look of the 998R better is all.

I speak for me only but maybe it's a similar reason for the others?

[Jewell]

Originally posted by tp-996
I speak for me only but maybe it's a similar reason for the others?

yep.

[DJ Tera]

Originally posted by tp-996
My 996 is so much more capable than I am, let alone any R. I wouldn't be able to explore the advantages that a 999R has over a 998R to be honest - I just like the look of the 998R better is all.

I speak for me only but maybe it's a similar reason for the others?

Yep - comes down to looks as IMO any modern sportsbike is capable enough - and if the 999 is so good why does Chili prefer the 998 ;)

At the end of the day even if the 999 would let me lap 1 second quicker round a track, I still wouldnt have one as they are so damn fugly!!!! :sing:

If anyone comes across any aftermarket bodykits then I might change my mind ;)

[Edited on 4-6-2004 by DJ Tera]

[TJ]

Yep looks mainly, i wont be able to ride a 998R or a 999R to its full on the road.

Also there is a company that have developed some improved fairings for the 999R which improves looks even more ;) only thing is... store begins with C..... ccccasoli :(


TJ.

BTW.. Kwikbitch he came on here for advice, we are only giving our 2p if he doesnt like it he doesnt have to listen!

[Gordy]

my bikes were, honda XL125R. honda CB125. Suzuki GSX250. then straight on to a honda CBR1000FH. got plenty of experience(usually by falling off) on smaller bikes then moved onto a better ie more expensive bike. oh hang on?? i still fall off!! :lol:.

if you buy a smaller duke (600ss/600monster)they are easy enough to handle to gain experience. cheap to buy. and when you are ready to move up you should'nt lose too much money.
low insurance group.
good looking/sounding.
and its a Ducati.

Best of luck.

Gordy.

[paulmort]

for my two pennyworth
After being off bikes for 10 or 12 years, I got a carbie 600ss
For the first 6 months it was fast enough, handled well, and let me remember or improve my skills. It was cheap enough to purchase (dont know about a youngsters insurance tho') and it was a duke. I was lucky enuff not to drop it, stationary or moving, but if I had, it wouldnt have been really a major prob, loadsa spares out there for them.
If Sgt Law wants a duke, why not start at entry level, it may not have the top end of an IL4 or even the acceleration, but a DUKE is a DUKE
:roll::roll:
rgds
mort

[ali]

I'd agree with most of the above, but the duke 600 is pretty gutless. I know I would've been bored to tears with it at 18, and a danger to other road users as I thrashed the nappers of it everywhere.

I had an RD200 at that age and rode like a lunatic (you couldn't ride them any other way!). It was only when I got my first 900 duke and relaxed into using torque to propel me out of corners that I started to really learn about handling (for my money a more satisfying topic than outright speed). There's something very un-rushed about the 900 engine, but it's still hugely satisfying. Just need an RS250 for the track now.....


And yes, get some top-quality leathers, preferably made-to-measure, a decent lid, gloves, boots'n'all. You never know what you're going to hurt when you come off, so you may as well protect it all.

[TJ]

Mate best thing to do is save some money aside and buy a house or something ;)


Dont spend all your hardearned at once... and why give insurance companies so much of your money :puzzled:


TJ

[bossingit]

heres my bit of advice mate....try and get a test ride on some of them,if you're serious about buying a good dealer should help you out,you never know,you may hate the way some bikes ride/feel!!!

[psychlist]

Originally posted by bossingit
heres my bit of advice mate....try and get a test ride on some of them,if you're serious about buying a good dealer should help you out,you never know,you may hate the way some bikes ride/feel!!!

Most sound peice of advice mate, thought I'd chop me 750ss in for a nice shiney 999 until I had a test ride on one. Couldnt get on with it, most uncomfortable saddle I've ever sat on! Worse than the KH500 I had as MY first "big" bike at the age of 19. One of my mates got an xs1100 at 21, another got a Z-thou at 20. None of us came off after learning the ropes on our 125's/250's of the time, well not until last year anyhow! :lol: Think my insurance is gonna be going up a bit this year too :(

[bossingit]

touch wood ive not had a prang since i was 17,.....33 now,phew,hope ive not given it the kiss of death!lol....i had an rg 125,cbr 600,fireblade and now i ride a 996,(did drop the blade tho,twice!doh!!!)...as long as you've got the confidence dont think it matters what bike you buy,if you dont twist the throttle you dont go anywhere!!

[Sgt.Law]

well i got a lot of money just sitting there it's either a bike or a car. So bike naturally and i have been riding since 16. and hate my 125 its so boring but it rev's like hell 9.000rpm and still wants to go :D but i dont want to blow her up :D so what was every ones first bike ??

[Loz]

First bike I ever rode was a CZ 175. My mate passed his test on it (no one knew it was not a 125, except my mate!)

My first bike was an MZ TS125 Lux. Heh, ugly or what?:barfy:

[TP]

My first was a Suzuki Across - not sure if they came to England or not. Basically it was a GSX 250 that had a helmet stow where the tank would normally be and the tank was under the seat (filled it up above the tail light). It was great, you could fit half a carton of beer, two bags of ice and a bottle of port in that compartment!!

[Sgt.Law]

Brilliant sounding bike Tp lol :D

[Sgt.Law]

[Edited on 6-6-2004 by Sgt.Law]

[paulmort]

I have a feeling of deja vu, but surely our most (un) beloved has not visited in another disguise???
sgt.law, will treat you as honest as you seem
my first was an AJS350 longstroke, one suck, squeeze, bang, blow per lamppost. Did 75 (indicated) lets call it 70mph at max revs, somewhere around 4-4 1/2 thousand
then came the jap screamer
honda 305 supersports, alledgedly 100 mph at 10,000 in top
rgds, a somewhat suspicious mort

:bouncy::bouncy:

[ali]

C90, A100 then an XL125 in a XL100 chassis (back then you could have up to 100cc at 14 in Guernsey). The silencer kept falling off but I never really got round to fixing it. I'm sure there's some link to my love of loud dukes in there somewhere....

RD200 at 16 & 1 day, swarbrick pipes, trimmed reeds, straw boater, pipe and slippers, jumpers for goalposts, back in the day, house for a pound....

(gets coat, leaves)

[Jewell]

RED 1999 Cagiva mito Evo, king 125.:cool:

[antonye]

FS1E-DX - the 50cc moped with a disk brake at the front and a yellow tank with Yamaha Racing Stripes on it! Pure class.

[everton]

Originally posted by antonye
FS1E-DX - the 50cc moped with a disk brake at the front and a yellow tank with Yamaha Racing Stripes on it! Pure class.

.............and pedals as I recall. Every schoolboy's dream

[antonye]

Mine didn't have pedals as it was the later restricted version - an R-reg bike (RVV 421R - why is it you always remember your first bike's reg plate?)

These were only restricted with an exhaust washer anyway. Mine had a full Micron pipe on it and a "tuned" rotary disk valve too!

We clocked it in the car at 48mph :D

[guest1]

Originally posted by antonye why is it you always remember your first bike's reg plate?:D

WJP 17S

[Sgt.Law]

paulmort, please explain what ya mean deja vu ? I a have never been here before i swear to god!

[TP]

Come on Mort, you've gone and made him all paranoid now!

[Sgt.Law]

Paranoid lol yes very has some one done summit bad ??


[Edited on 8-6-2004 by Sgt.Law]

[Desmondo]

First bike? Mine was a new Gixer600. Bloomin cool that was and I still have a soft spot for Gixers.

[748mart]

Also had a Fizzy DX in the Yellow & Black

Pea Shooter Micron
60cc ported Big Bore
Skimmed head
Advanced disc valve
Ace Bars
Race seat
no electrics except for coil wires
15 tooth front sprocket

70mph indicated downhill lying on the tank, A130 rettendon bypass.

And yes 22 years on I can remember the plate OGF 896 P


Martin.

[paulmort]

Sgt.Law
dont worry, no one does "bad" at the DSC, not for long anyhow
Just get out there , test ride some bikes, and ride, but remember the stats
Accidents/injuries/fatalities are mostly either in the under 20 age bracket, or those "born again bikers" at 50 plus years young
I guess at 55 yrs young I fall into latter category which is why I went for the gutless, underpowered 600ss before moving up to something a likkle less tame ie the 900ssie
Im sure you are very capable, but remember around every bend, theres a muppet at 20 mph or worse still, a tractor droppin loadsa diesel and hay on the road, or even worse than than that, stationary...........and you is doing 100 plus and need to stop in 50 metres.............very painful if not deadly.
OK so lets not put the mockers on this, there are a lot of powerful userfriendly bikes and some are dukes that will fit the bill
go with what you feel comfortable with, dont need to pose too much (unless its a blooo duke) and enjoy the thrills that bike riding brings with it
an old, but fairly safe mort:bouncy::bouncy:

[Nattyboy]

Sgt Law...check your U2U messages..

Nat

[Sgt.Law]

Sorry nat. :(

[Nattyboy]

Nice! Are you gonna share it with everyone else then mate ??

Nat

[Edited on 11-6-2004 by Nattyboy]