Class C Just ideas, NO MOANING!

[Otei]

So then, let's see if this will work or not. If it does, great. If not there will be other things to do...like gardening.

Class C:

Open to the following bikes:

748 (with 853 big bore if ya want??)
749 (don't know about big bore kits for this)
Obviously these smaller bikes could get mullered but entry on them is up to you.
916
996
998
999

135bhp limit

No trick gas forks just standard items available to these models with internals changed if you want.

Any rear shock but no mechatronic transformers bullcheese.

bodywork as standard but fibreglass or carbon allowed

Any exhaust system

only wheels available to that model as standard allowed

Calipers only as standard and available to that model at the time, or a max upgrade to P4 calipers? Discs free.

Not sure what to say about the ECU and power commander etc. Perhaps someone can advise the simplest plan that wouldn't exclude people on the grounds of having something that was a bit different but that wouldn't make a big difference..if that makes sense.

That's all I'll put for now. I guess if others come forward with ideas and interest then we can continue it. If not, I'll just say I tried and then go race somewhere else.

Simples. :)

[Chaz]

So then, let's see if this will work or not. If it does, great. If not there will be other things to do...like gardening.

Class C:

Open to the following bikes:

748 (with 853 big bore if ya want??)
749 (don't know about big bore kits for this)
Obviously these smaller bikes could get mullered but entry on them is up to you.
916
996
998
999

135bhp limit

No trick gas forks just standard items available to these models with internals changed if you want.

Any rear shock but no mechatronic transformers bullcheese.

bodywork as standard but fibreglass or carbon allowed

Any exhaust system

only wheels available to that model as standard allowed

Calipers only as standard and available to that model at the time, or a max upgrade to P4 calipers? Discs free.

Not sure what to say about the ECU and power commander etc. Perhaps someone can advise the simplest plan that wouldn't exclude people on the grounds of having something that was a bit different but that wouldn't make a big difference..if that makes sense.

That's all I'll put for now. I guess if others come forward with ideas and interest then we can continue it. If not, I'll just say I tried and then go race somewhere else.

Simples. :)

You just been on the Thunderbike web site;)

[couchcommando]

For me to have an interest limit it to just the 996S, same rules as class A DD except sticky tyres and wets are allowed. No engine work is allowed and any bike dyno'd has to be within a certain % of a proven standard engine throughout the whole dyno run.

Keep the rules simple and one bike as per DD and I reckon you might just get enough interest :)

[Otei]

of course. not gonna get any support for this idea so ill just look elsewhere. not a problem ;)

[Otei]

unfortunately couch, the people running the show behind the scenes don't want it so it won't happen. shame really. thanks for the input though, i agree with what you said

[antonye]

unfortunately couch, the people running the show behind the scenes don't want it so it won't happen.

That's a bit unfair Tim!

Personally I'm just being cautious in investing time and money in starting a new series when the one we've already got doesn't have full grids.

DD only happened because it filled a niche in a market that was begging for something. It happened at the right time with a big club with plenty of members who had money and spare time to commit.

Things have changed since then as people are more cautious with their money, have less surplus to spend on unneccessary outgoings (we have a hard time getting people to part with £25 to join the club, ffs!) and want value for their money.

I really don't think there is a gap in the market to run another Ducati only series based on old bikes when there's already DD, 848, Thunderbikes, Golden Era, etc.

However, if you manage to get 25 people signed up with deposits (and that's the important bit - people need to commit real money!) then you're on to a winner and don't need us anyway!!

[bradders]

from Hottrax website...

MODERN CLASSIC SUPERBIKE & SUPERCUP CHAMPIONSHIP


NEW! 3 races each weekend including qualifying and warm up.
NEW! Modern Classic motorcycles from the age of Kawasaki ZX7RR’s, Yamaha YZF750, Ducati 916 etc. All will be 750 cc 4 cylinder, 975cc triples or twin cylinders up to 1000cc.
NEW! Minimum rider age is 30 years old
NEW! Bikes must be older than 10 years on 1st March 2012

Seems a good compromise; and allows DD mates to race with big bike mates

[Cranker V2]

I may give my 853 a run out in that. Should be around 130bhp over the winter. That was all I was thinking, not another DD class, just a series suitable for mature gentlemen with older ducatis ...........

[Gbyte666]

I'm going to give the odd round a go in that Mike with my 996.

Craig

[Ghost]

I'm an old guy with a mature Ducati. :D

[Otei]

from Hottrax website...

MODERN CLASSIC SUPERBIKE & SUPERCUP CHAMPIONSHIP


NEW! 3 races each weekend including qualifying and warm up.
NEW! Modern Classic motorcycles from the age of Kawasaki ZX7RR’s, Yamaha YZF750, Ducati 916 etc. All will be 750 cc 4 cylinder, 975cc triples or twin cylinders up to 1000cc.
NEW! Minimum rider age is 30 years old
NEW! Bikes must be older than 10 years on 1st March 2012

Seems a good compromise; and allows DD mates to race with big bike mates

Sounds good. Same problem as golden era with the possible missiles from WSb..but at least it'll be alongside DD. I like that ! :)

[bradders]

Sounds good. Same problem as golden era with the possible missiles from WSb..but at least it'll be alongside DD. I like that ! :)

almost be worth getting an old ZX7R just for the fun of it...wonder if there will be enough timei between this and DD....

[Gbyte666]

Sounds good. Same problem as golden era with the possible missiles from WSb..but at least it'll be alongside DD. I like that ! :)

Not really, its like DD.. 2 races in one and the front A's are missiles to most B's. Superbike Class ( gert big bikes, money no object ) and Supercup as close to original as possible, few mods allowed.

Craig

[Otei]

Not really, its like DD.. 2 races in one and the front A's are missiles to most B's. Superbike Class ( gert big bikes, money no object ) and Supercup as close to original as possible, few mods allowed.

Craig

So it is, even better :)

[Otei]

almost be worth getting an old ZX7R just for the fun of it...wonder if there will be enough timei between this and DD....

Funny you should say that............

[dunlop0_1]

I'm going to give the odd round a go in that Mike with my 996.

Craig


That's two of us then. :D

[couchcommando]

from Hottrax website...

MODERN CLASSIC SUPERBIKE & SUPERCUP CHAMPIONSHIP


NEW! 3 races each weekend including qualifying and warm up.
NEW! Modern Classic motorcycles from the age of Kawasaki ZX7RR’s, Yamaha YZF750, Ducati 916 etc. All will be 750 cc 4 cylinder, 975cc triples or twin cylinders up to 1000cc.
NEW! Minimum rider age is 30 years old
NEW! Bikes must be older than 10 years on 1st March 2012

Seems a good compromise; and allows DD mates to race with big bike mates

That fits in with the endurance racing too, hmmmm when was a 998 first registered ? ;)

[antonye]

That fits in with the endurance racing too, hmmmm when was a 998 first registered ? ;)

Pre-March 2002 bikes... you might be able to sneak a 998R in there, otherwise it'll be a 996R instead.

[Otei]

It's looking like a 996 is the end point really then. I'll only need a stock one anyway cos the pieman will somehow have managed to detune his to 50bhp by the first race! :lol:

[chris.p]

Pre-March 2002 bikes... you might be able to sneak a 998R in there, otherwise it'll be a 996R instead.


At the end of the day, the 996r was the new testasretta engine, was it not???


Chris:burn:

[dunlop0_1]

It's looking like a 996 is the end point really then. I'll only need a stock one anyway cos the pieman will somehow have managed to detune his to 50bhp by the first race! :lol:

Classic PMSL. :)

[antonye]

At the end of the day, the 996r was the new testasretta engine, was it not???

Indeed, but the 998R is bigger bore and shorter stroke, giving 1cc more at 999cc, and a massive 3hp more... ;)

[Otei]

At the end of the day, the 996r was the new testasretta engine, was it not???


Chris:burn:

Yeah, and there's a 1999 996 frame with a 2004 testastretta engine in from a 999 for sale on Ebay at the minute. I wonder if that would circumvent the rules or whether they'd disallow it because the Testa engine wasn't from a 996R and neither was the chassis?

This bike however, would have been lovely!!...missed it! :mad:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3185611.htm

[couchcommando]

You can find 998S's registered before the cut off date...;)

[ChrisBushell]

Just back from meeting with New Era and Hotraxx about next years DD, more on that shortly.

We had an interesting talk about all of the above and the options with regard to 4 valve Ducati's in the Supercup version of the Hotraxx series - food for thought as they say!

[kiwicoops]

How about a trick 748RS, ex Red Bull for the new Modern Classic Superbike series...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUCATI-748-RS-RACE-BIKE-EX-TEAM-RED-BULL-/320763449994?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4aaefdd28a

..probably not if you want a race bike to fettle in your own shed.

pete

[skidlids]

How about a trick 748RS, ex Red Bull for the new Modern Classic Superbike series...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUCATI-748-RS-RACE-BIKE-EX-TEAM-RED-BULL-/320763449994?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4aaefdd28a

..probably not if you want a race bike to fettle in your own shed.

pete

Fragile engine if not treated properly with 600 mile service intervals and thats not just oil and filter,
And who's nicked the 54mm RS Exhaust system off it and the forks in the pics are Showa nitrided items same as my RS had which are now in Nev's 748, yet the advert says Ohlins forks :puzzled:

I'll stick with My 748RS which is now a 998 and is fitted with a Mag arm, corse linkage and matching Ohlins shock, Mag wheels, R&T forks and AP 6-pots, narrow track discs and adjustable ratio Mastercylinder, And it has a V5.

[Cranker V2]

Oooooer Kev, you making me very jealous. One day for me. maybe................:(

[skidlids]

Oooooer Kev, you making me very jealous. One day for me. maybe................:(

It's not to far behind the spec of my 998R, mainly missing the short stroke 999cc engine and the MT940 Dash.
the latter will be rectified when both bikes go to a 1098 Dash, Harness and Nemesis ECU, then the MT940 will find its way to the 955

But what i really need is a bigger workshop :)

[Cranker V2]

What you need is to get one out of the garage and into a race paddock ann enter a few golden oldie races with a few of us next year..................:roll:

[skidlids]

Been there done that, I was racing in SoT in 2002 on bikes that were only couple of years old at the time and not Golden Oldies, and 10 years later nothing will have changed, although my bikes are now a better spec they will still be far outclassed by an EX INS 996RS etc.
I did enter SoT on the 998R at Silverstone in 2010 but switched the bike off when the previous quallifying session was red flagged and she didn't want to start again from Hot

[ChrisBushell]

Looks like there is going to be some really good news about this on Wednesday the 19th of October!

Should have the required purchase made on Sunday before the vendor realises that prices will be rising!

Chris

[kiwicoops]

Couple a(is it 6?) nice projects on the go there Kev, fettling in my shed generally refers to hammering and fibreglassing things back to near there origonal state of flatness, I'd forgotten the PRACTICAL SPORTBIKE article of your garage/ garden/ hall/ second bedroom engineering workshops and breakers emporium. ;)

pete

[skidlids]

from Hottrax website...

MODERN CLASSIC SUPERBIKE & SUPERCUP CHAMPIONSHIP


NEW! 3 races each weekend including qualifying and warm up.
NEW! Modern Classic motorcycles from the age of Kawasaki ZX7RR’s, Yamaha YZF750, Ducati 916 etc. All will be 750 cc 4 cylinder, 975cc triples or twin cylinders up to 1000cc.
NEW! Minimum rider age is 30 years old
NEW! Bikes must be older than 10 years on 1st March 2012

Seems a good compromise; and allows DD mates to race with big bike mates

Plus Desmo Due Class 1C
No age limits (other than those of the ACU) as its open to all DSC members
seperate Championship points and Trophies