i live within 15miles of all these roads mentioned all the speed restrictions and mobile speed cameras have made life a little boring along them now---just one more spanner in the works against the figures that have been released a high percentage of the fatalities were'nt local riders that i would consider knew the roads that well --that is fact
another fact while im on my soap box i would like to see the figures for fatalities involved in other vehicles during those periods-- ????

unfortunately a high percentage was rider error hence my statement

Sadly that statement is also true for the majority of similar incidents in our neck of the woods too.

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perhaps Im wrong but you dont ride a sports bike to go shopping and you dont buy a parachute to go snorkeling.
anybody that has a sporting hobby will push that hobby to their limit and sometimes past it,wether its climbing ,skiing skydiving etc.
motorcycling is high risk and most of us treat it with that respect,but things sometimes go wrong.

Are there any statistics on how many third party deaths are killed by motorcyclists(not including theft/joyriding).
I mentioned this as I watched a programme last night on drunken trouble in Essex southend etc.
the number of mostly innocent people hurt was high (1 Death)reflected around the country it must be substantial amount.
the level of detection and prosecution was low the resultant punishment was derisible.
So your riding at speed say youve accelerated upto 120mph for a short spurt dry roads clear plenty of safe vision and a mobile speed camera.
nicked for double the limit no injuries no intent on third parties.
level of punishment?
£600+ 12 months ban perhaps even a short stay in nick.
and the police wonder why middle england wont give them the time of day. :flame:

I also watched the same progamme last night, but I thought that with the use of CCTV the level of detection and arrest was pretty good.

I do agree that the punishments were pathetic, but that is the courts, not the police.

I also could not believe the level of abuse that the police had to put up with. I could not do it..

..and what other circumstances were involved...mud...gravel...very poor road...potholes

and I agree with Skids - I did less than 1500 miles all summer because the WEEKEND weather was particulary bad which is when I ride, anyone know if sun hours can be checked against 2004 weekend??

None!
All of our sinlge bike accidents over the last 2 years have been rider error.
None were caused by factors outside the control of the rider.

Does that include the police allowing for oncoming drivers cutting cornes causing motorcyclists to take avoiding action. I remeber the article in MCN where they set up a camers at a bend and snapped quite a few drivers cutting across the white line. The police responded by saying they would have to look again at all Single bike accidents taht happen close to bends.

That applies to cars as well - happened to my girlfriend last year, someone cut double white lines on a corner and she ended up in a hedge after taking avoiding action, but to anyone who hadn't seen what had happened, it would have just been driver error.

That'd be recorded as a 2 vehicle rtc in our area..... it will be interesting from 1.1.05 as there will be a National RTC form used by all Forces and all recording criteria wil be the same.
Obviously if there are no witnesses & the rider cannot say what happended, without supporting evidence at the scene ( marks on road surfaces, verges & the like ) this would go down as a 1 vehicle crash.