Or a mate with a stopwatch on his mobile phone.... :P

The lap times of racers on circuits are not really what I'm interested in. You just end up with the motoGP bike V F1 car, no contest,

Just road bike and road car comparison with the same person at the controls.

e.g. road going elise V CBr 600, Evo V 998, or what have you


Hmmmmmmmmmm is that circuit beacon on??

Ray.

Never ridden a bike on track....yet

But it took me between 49 and 50 secs in an r500 to do BH indy
58 secs in a standard elise
45 minutes to walk it!!!!!

HTH

Martin - yep SELOC member too, mine was a standard elise so was even harder to keep up at Spa - getting onto the straight after eau rouge at a fast pace was the key and that started from a good exit from the bus stop, the back half with the sweeping corners was where i could start to get back the disadavantage. obviously a 160 sport(or better, sounds like a nice motor!)) would be a huge improvement. learnt a heap about car control that day - just like bike trackdays - still learning as bikes require more subtlety.

lol Alistair, didn't know you frequented this place :D

Timing at track days is restricted for some reason I can't unplug my DL1 so it seems to record GPS data....etc...

Not sparking a "what is quicker round a track" fight - I am a biker first and a car racer second. A club racer beating 55 seconds is doing that on full slicks, full race Elise versions are knocking on the door of 45 seconds round Indy. Also 1 min 2 secs is 10% slower than 55 seconds (approx) so the bike would get lapped by the car every 8 laps and knocking 7 seconds of your time is actually quite hard to do.

if you are talking standard cars vs bikes then it depends on what you call a standard car. Remember that a well set up Elise driven with commitment will catch a Porky GT3 driven by a less-committed driver. My Lotus is road legal aswell so still counts as being a road car, albeit somewhat track focussed.

Surely some of the track day regulars can post times at Brands Indy. All I was saying was that at the 'Ring only very rarely does a bike go past me and I tend to get seriously held up by the bikes. I remember vividly last year following a bike (Blade I think) into a turn and he had his knee down and was trailing sparks and I was not travelling at maximum speed so could have cornered faster etc...

I can do sub 55's on Rennsports. In club racing terms, I'd get slaughtered.

Excellent. So bikes are quicker round Brands than cars. I did hope so. Wonder why they seem slower at the 'ring then?

Martin.

The Elise has allways been rated as one of the best handling cars and a track prepped one is going to be better still I assume. A fairer comparison with a bike would be with something like one of the road 250,s 400's, bikes which, like the Lotus go for light weight and excelent handling over power and speed. One of these will also easily out corner a 'blade, and if sorted for the track, by quite a margin. A well prepared 250/400 road bike can turn in very impressive lap times around a tight track like Brands Indy in much the same way the Lotus beats faster, more powerful cars.

Who said they were quicker? It obviously all comes down to driver/rider ability and the type of circuit.

i had the chance to take my e46 m3 cab around cadwell last summer, but it was already 500miles over its service indicator and thought it wouldn't be a good idea until i got serviced, then i binned it a while after that!

i hope to track my next car!:eureka: