yeah, back to the point.

So what if the copper makes a mistake? The drunk was still driving the car, he's still commited an offence - a mistake on the paperwork don't mean that offence suddenly didn't happen. Currently being innocent/guilty depends on what copper writes the ticket, not whether or not you dun it!

Did not take it personally, but I do sometimes only focus on my pleasure as that adrenilin kicks in, I'm sure if a picture of my kids flashed up on the inside of my visor every time, I may change my mind.

You at Brands tonight? If so I may see you there. You may spot me I'll be wearing Rukka unlike the rest of you leather fetishists.

In a second moment of seriousness do you genuinley believe that if everyone stuck to the posted limits there would be no deaths or acidents on the roads??

Yes there there is an irefutable clear link between speed and the consequences of an accident, to do with the laws of physics.

The link between speed and accidents is based on the far more shakey theories on probability, not proven in any research I have seen and certainly not as proven as the laws of physics.

Sure it a not a very nice job to have to do but as long as the human race continue to use motorised coveyenaces there will be accidents.

More and more society is governed by laws based on the lowest common denominator, backside covering and the desire to move risk assessment from being a personal decision to one made by politicians or others in a postion to do so.

Curbside kangaroo courts are the result and the powers that be are well hacked cos they have been outplayed at their own game.

Speeding is a victimless "crime" unless there is an accident.

Ray

First of all, they are not accidents, thats just a term that has come to be associated with what is a collision.

A collision is just that, and therefor there is someone or more at fault!! The reason i believe we have to be controlled by the lowest denominator is because the potential of your act tends to take out others as well as your self!

That's better, it's not speed that causes accidents. It's a road users use of inappropriate speed that contributes to them, "usually" with the road user going too fast for given circumstances and not being able to react in time ;)
...and there, but for the grace of god, go we all! Which is why some form of advanced training or experience will HELP you anticipate danger (not eliminate it) and put yourself out of harms way, it's a shame that some people take that to mean that they can go even faster and remove the safety zone the advanced training/experience was giving them :cool:

Clamping down on speed is one of the easiest ways to tackle the death rate on our roads just like the drink drive thing that saw a huge focus in the past. What is failing to be dealt with is the appalling standard of driving on our roads, like the ********s that sit in the middle lane of the motorway or the guy that is turning right in about two or three miles and moves over well in advance, basic use of mirrors the list goes on and on. Speed doesn’t kill it’s the **** behind the wheel / handle bars.

Murray Mint

Maybe we are getting into semantics here,

How many times when someone is pulled over for speeding do you hear "you might have had an accident"/collision or whatever it might be labelled.

Yes the individual was speeding, irrefutable fact (hopefully) but they haven't had a an accident/collision or whatever, that was merely pointing out something that might have happened that is un-related to speed. Thank you for pointing out something that might happen in the future but hasn't yet become fact.

Perhaps someone can tell me the threshold at which an accident/collision is inevitable or even perhaps some sort of graduated scale.

70 MPH a 0 chance of a collision/accident

90 MPH a 50/50 chance of a collision/accident.

Sure you can't rule out becoming the victim of someone else's accident/collison or whatever but then you are reduced to the lowest "safe" speed 0, zero, nada, nil, to have a zero chance of a collision/RTA or whatever.


Sure other people on the road are a variable but thats where risk management, anticiptation, road craft call it waht you will comes into it.

Use the lowest common denominator and assume that no one can drive/ride "properly" and then again the only safe speed is 0, zero,.............


Raising driving/riding standards is the key, NOT rigidly enforcing a Limit which is what the powers that be are upset about.

Unfortunately improving standards costs money but rigidly enforcing limits brings money in.

"Speed Kills" is just Spin, it doesn't collisions/accidents do and the fast you you the more serious the consequences of such an event becomes,

How about "Speeding can have serious consequences", not quite as snappy is it??

Ray.

There is an amazing amount of hypocrisy and lack of proportion attached to the subject of speeding:

1. Police officers/public figures/celebrities on a regular basis getting away with speeding.
2. People in here banging on about it like andyb - presumably he never speeds on his 999 or in his car?
3. c. 4000 deaths per year (correct me on the figure if you wish - the actual number is not that important here within +/- 10k) attracts a massive focus yet we tolerate 100,000+ deaths a year and the attributable costs that go with smoking and passive smoking.
4. Umpteen thousand deaths per year due to pollution from many causes etc.
5. The lack of focus on bad drivers, dangerous vehicles and other traffic infringements (running red lights around here seems to have exploded with the frustrations of being stuck in traffic)

There's a whole host of inconsitencies in every day life (including those above) which, make a mockery of the near fanatical obsession that the authorities have with speeding vehicles.

If knocking on the door of the bereaved bothers AndyB so much (and what human wouldn't be bothered by it?) then he shouldn't do the job nor should he be supporting fallacious arguments in favour of the "speeding kills" lobby. If we were to follow that argument to their (as in the lobby's) logical conclusion then we would only ever walk anywhere.

You are SO right.

Exemptions. What? For coppers, celebrities and public figures? :rolleyes: