rules and regs in Word doc.

and as a pdf................

ummm would n't seem right you riding a bike that looks original and new and clean and tidy and.....maybe thats the difference between tarting up and sluting up?? :roll:
Ian

its all gone quiet, everbody reading the small print, getting onto the lawyers and race team managers....maybe not. :)

Sorry to disapoint you folks, but this will be ACU affiliated, so yes Steve you can get your signatures out playing with the DSC.

Thanks Ian for getting the rules up and I hope people have many happy hours poring overt hem.

Please drop me a mail if you have any questions and i will do my best to get back to everyone over the weekend

So - how do we obtain an ACU license without having to join one of the other racign clubs, ie, Bemsee, DP etc?

right I've just read the rules and thats the type of rules I like to go racing with so the feelers have already gone out to try and locate a suitable bike, Now all I have to do is have a word with the powers to be at North Glos and see if they will let me run a Ducati to that spec in the Mini Twins series. Will try and do that Saturday at Silverstone.

I'd be interested to see how you get on with that Kev - can you post your findings?

Just one point why the full Department of Transport Licence requirement as under ACU rules a rider that does not hold a full bike licence can obtain a ACU Novice licence that limits them to a bike with a maximum capacity of 600cc.
Some members may be riding restricted 33BHP bikes (or even 350SS) that could well be 600 Monsters or SSs and would be excluded under this rule from entering.
Obviously doesn't apply to myself or most of us in the club, just seemed a strange rule .

Sure will Tony
Luckily I've been a member of North Glos since 1997 and know most of the comittee there. Its good to get the rules this early as it means I can take a few copies along to Silverstone to give to people I know to give them time to discuss it before finalising next years race program.
Currently they run a Sound of Thunder race that includes the Mini Twins at most meetings this means about 15 to 18 SoT bikes and 4 or 5 SV650s, this means at most venues there is at least a futher 12 places or more vacant on the grid not earning them any income.

Kev

Kev - I heard a rumour that clubs can't run mixed grids from next year, which I presume would put the mockers on Mini Twins and Sound of Thunder running in the same races. Do you know anything about that?

I heard something the other day in passing but wasn't sure what it applied to.
Several of the North Glos comittee are fairly high up in the ACU, one is quite often Clerk of the Course at BSB meets, I will try and find out more this Saturday.
Not sure what they would mean by a mixed Grid as the Open class has every thing from 250cc two-strokes to 1300cc Superbikes, Powerbike is usually made up of 600s and 1000s, Streetstocks run the 1100 class at the same time as the 650 class (another class a 600/620 could run in) and the 125s run with the 400s


Interesting all thats needed is a free flowing race can and Power Commander http://www.ducati.com/images/my2003/...SS620Sport.gif

[Edited on 7-10-2004 by skidlids]

I would think it would be a ideal way for a track novice to get out on the track and race.
My first track outing was on my CBR600 race bike at Mallory on the ACU training day, it wasn't compulsory but as I would be having my first race the following month I thought it a good idea.
My 2nd ever track outing was at Pembrey with North Glos Race club. In at the deep end in the 600 supersport practice, followed by two 600 Supersport races with lads that had won at the Manx, others that raced in the Natioal MCRCB championship etc. Then they had the Novice race which I felt more at home in. So you don't need to do trackdays before you go racing all though they will help protect your ego, there is very little to stop you getting a ACU Licence and going racing even 14 year olds do it.

Oh, I wish I could afford it, this could be the start of something good! :bouncy:

think it sounds like a great idea to me just a shame im getting married next year and acnt afford to join in, maybe 2006 if its still going

Where can I get a 600ss for under a grand?

Usually see a few around that price over the winter, depends what condition they're in. Couple of years ago I picked up one that had been stood unused for about 18 months.
Soon had it up and running but spent more on tidying it up into a decent bike, but in the state I got it it would have been ideal for turning into a race bike.

I'm so tempted to do this but i can't afford to run two dukes so the 748 would have to go :(
already seen a monnie up for sale near me for £1500

raced a few years back but let my acu licence expire i had lost my novice jacket so does that mean i'd have to start all over again as a novice

Depending how long ago Nigel you should be ok-I'm sure the ACU will have records. Now me I let mine expire over 30 years ago so I guess it will be a novice vest for me-kind of hard to think of being a novice after 40 years riding bikes............;)

John

Time to order up those carbon or mag wheels, 3 sets should do it, tyre warmers, carbon bodywork. Big bore kit.

Ohilins fork internals, ohlins rear shock.

749r swing arm.

AP or brembo calipers

Slipper clutch.

Titanium exhaust system.

Dyno time to sort the modified injection system.

You maybe don't need all of the above but it will sure help if you wanna win. Doubt that anyone would splash that much cash but when you see some of the kit that turns up to clubs races you have to wonder. Not really within the spirit of the rules either.

Ray

Exactly Ray, it's meant to be a cheap form of racing which is why I said that if I do join in then I'll keep the bike pretty much stock. I don't care if I'm sitting at the back all the time, if it's cheap racing then it's fun racing.

I'm with you Jamie, if I'm in then its on a bog stock Monster with minimal mods to get to ACU spec and ensure ground clearance and we're off!!!!

Tim:frog:

That's my thinking.

Apart from the 944cc kit ....

Hell, I might even keep standard pegs just for a laugh :lol:

So anybody ridden a monster before? I've not even sat on one.

Nope, not me, looks like we're gonna find out though!!

you'll need it ;)

no, i'm with you lot, really would love to do it but cost is obviously an issue as don want to have to sell the 999 just for a bit of fun racing. going to realistically cost it up over the next week but pretty much taking a few bits of and maybe cans will be the way i would go. at least i've got an excuse for coming last then:D.

"yeah well, mines only standard mate, only in it for the fun thought you would be further ahead to be fair with all that kit, etc etc" ;)

That's what I like about you Dickie NOTHING!

:lol:

Yep, mine will be pretty standard, ACU reg stuff, try and sort out the clearance.

My first time on a Monster too! I was looking at autotrader last night and the MCN section on the train on the way home. Hrmmm ...

I'm with Rattler and Desmondo. Although the regs allow people to spend thousands on their bike as Ray suggests, if I could afford it next year (which I can't, maybe later) I would be doing it on a bog standard bike with the required ACU mods and tyres that would last for at least half the races.

My steed of choice would be an SS rather than a Monster though. Take it from me as someone who owns a bike with not much power, tucking in behind a fairing is essential on the straight bits. You lot that ride much more powerful machines probably wouldn't notice the effect that wind resistance has on a bike with limited power. On my ST, on a straight like the start finish straight at Mallory, or Park Straight at Cadwell, there's a 5-10 mph difference between sitting bolt upright and tucking in. On an ST, even sitting bolt upright, you're still behind the fairing. On a monster, you're just sitting there like a damn great airbrake, even if you scooch down.

On a 600, with only 60 ish bhp to play with you need all the help you can get.

Damn...I can't believe I've given my game plan away

yeah may well be turing to look at the same bike.

seller will think they have hit the jackpot as we both stand there trying to out bid on another:lol:

Ah, Ron Parkinsons was closing down. Wonder if they've got any cheap monnies they want to get shot of :D

I see where you're coming from Jools but for some reason I think I'd liek to stick with a monster. Just think it would be something different and fun to ride for me.

did think about the ss monnie comparison, but am guessing most will be on monnies and could be better for offering/receiving spares etc if needed. also availability of parts in general must be better for monnies.

I'm going to get a Monster because it would be good for Ange as well - she has renewed motivation to get her license now.

What are the thoughts on injected versus carbed models?

i would be going for at 620 sie myself

Depends on how cheap I can get one for but that would be my preference.

I'm also going to go for a run! :D or lots of them :D

seem to be around 3k from what i can see

Yep - 3k

I'm going the way of crash bungs too methinks.

From what I have read above I would suggest setting a budget for the bike.
I was thinking along the lines of £2K to a max of £2.5 with my current financial resources.

So that may get me a accident damaged later model 620inj Monster or SS and allow me to get it to meet ACU regs but nothing else, apart from any bits I can make myself.

Alternative is to get hold of a 1995ish 600SS and be able to spend about £1k on it. which would include Race Can, Dynojet kit, K&N, Reworked forks and rear shock (Maxton), SPS Disc and 4 Pad calliper, Aeroquip hose. 996 master cylinder.
Hopefully make my own rearsets or Jackup plates along with crash bungs. Then try and fit 916 fibreglass fairing to save buying one and give me the ACU required catch tank/bellypan.

Its still a fair outlay for 4 racedays but if North Glos would let me race it in Streetstocks and MiniTwins I could be looking at a possible 12 to 14 race meetings a year, plus a couple of trackdays on it.

As my ZXR400 uses the same size Rims/rubber and will take a 320mm disc I would see if they could be adapted to fit to give ne a set of wheels for wets.

All that And It still wouldn't make me any faster but at least when out on track I wouldn't be thinking this and that could be better and I wish I'd done so and so to it.

Why bother with all that you may ask but I actually get more enjoyment from sorting the bike and getting it ready than I do from racing it and without a TT entry next year I need something to tinker with.

Spare wheels and wets? Metzeler make wets that fit the rim sizes - Rennsports and Supercorsa's fit as well, although Rennsports don't have the 60 profile front according to the website - only 70 but Supercorsa's do.

I'm assuming that these tyres will be everyones choice?

Would Probably go for Diablo Corsas or Bridgestones latest. 70 profile works well on the SS but wouldn't mind trying the 65 profile Pirelli.

I have had a long chat with Chris this morning about the provisional rules, reading what a lot of you have said, and since the basic idea is to avoid 'cheque book' racing ( and Ray's scenario) there may be some changes made.
This is for discussion so please don't all jump down my throat.

Wheels-we may alter to be 'standard Ducati wheels applicable to the model'-that'll fix the carbon/marchesini brigade.....
I have even suggested that we set the rules to be for 600 carbed engines only rather than allowing the 620ie versions. The 620ie's weren't released until late 2003 so will be much more expensive to buy, they also make about 10bhp more than a 600 and rev 1500 rpm higher-I have seen them down at about £3000 but no lower, whereas you can pick up a 600 monster/SS from about £1500.
We have also discussed using a 'control' tyre to keep cost's down.
At the end of the day it will be YOUR race series so the rules will be what the majority want.

What do you all think?

John