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Rattler 19-Oct-2004 00:23

Quote:

Originally posted by chris ricketts

When I was in Almeria in April a bloke on a 748R forgot his keys so hired an RR & was shocked by how much more powerful the RR was than his 748R & how well it handled - his words not mind


So I'm not the only one!!!:lol::lol:;):D:lol:

crm250 19-Oct-2004 08:04

Deej, sold a RRX blade for a 916, and it took 6 months to learn to ride it. you are still in IL4 mode, and it will take a while to get used to not thrashing it to the red all the time and change up nice and early ready for the power in the next gear not when you are just about past peak power.
The handling felt awfull when i first got mine, very heavy and unstable with little feedback. I threw away the D207's that were on it and put new BT010's which transformed the bike esp the stability. (now running 012's and i dont like the front feel so going back to a 010 if i can find one)
As for speed, my old 916 runs out of puff after 130 and to be honest i dont think my NC30 is that much slower up top and is actually better at holding speed, but that doesnt worry me in this day and age.
report back in 3 months and i bet you will feel quite differently
(although i did try a 748 and chose the 916 for the extra grunt and roughness - may be worth trying a 900cc one just so you know)

les996 19-Oct-2004 11:13

Deej

Again....
Same for me, going back a few years now, I had a zxr750 with some mods which kicked out 123 on the dyno. But I did get to the stage where I wanted more from my rides (not necessarilly power).

Was thinking of r6's r1's - until I spoke to a buddy who raced at the time - his words were stop messing around and learn to ride on a 748...

Without even trying one out, I sold my zxr and bought a 748:yawn:
For the first few rides I thought I had made one BIG MISTAKE.:puzzled:
Once I got my head into riding in a completely different style I found my entry/exit speeds on my favourite twisties were a good 10 to 15 quicker:sing:

Just take your time - it will come!!!

Regards
Les

fil2 19-Oct-2004 16:02

Im shocked by this post

I can keep up with and loose most bikes on uk roads..i ride with 999s' R1's and even gixxer thou's...i can pull 130 without effort and the 748R is over geared i pull 150 in 5th..??? struggling to get 130mph does not make sense to me....
I had a 748S before i had the 748R and even that pulled 130mph + easy.......................

u sure all is right with yer bike.....

do u want to meet up sometime and see how we go... :ninja:

Harv748 19-Oct-2004 16:12

Trust me guys when I say there is nothing wrong with the bike...Its on standard gearing, and pulls nice and strong all through the rev range...in all gears. And at the DSC dyno day...it pulled the expected power for a 748bip.

The things that Deej are experiencing are down to the factors already mentioned above...switching from a IL4 to a V twin...nothing more, nothing less.

I have also ridden past/around 1 litre bikes on this bike, both on the road and on TD's.

desmojen 19-Oct-2004 17:50

Quote:

Originally posted by chris ricketts


When I was in Almeria in April a bloke on a 748R forgot his keys so hired an RR & was shocked by how much more powerful the RR was than his 748R & how well it handled - his words not mind



My 748R has 50mm cans, otherwise standard.
On the Crescent Suzuki calibrated dyno it pulls 108 bhp and 56 ft/lbs of torque.
Try finding a standard CBR RR, or any 600 which will match that!
The only thing that lets it down is the extra weight it's carrying.

Deej, try not revving it so hard, if it's an S model then that may be where you're going wrong. I think around 9-10 thou will be plenty. All you'll end up doing is over stressing your engine and playing 'lets buy lots of rockers' every time you service it! :sing:

[Edited on 19-10-2004 by desmojen]

Michael J 19-Oct-2004 19:08

This is a very interesting thread for me because I bought a 748R this year having ridden a succession of IL4s (the last being an '03 R6). I simply couldn't get on with the bike at all. There was nothing wrong with it at all, the problem was me! The thing just felt agricultural and I totally missed the point. I missed the smooth transmission and power delivery of my old bike as well as the total confidence in a bike's reliability which the Japanese specialise in. I should have ridden it hard as someone else has advised in this thread. Instead, I was babying it as you do a japanese bike and it didn't respond.

I wish in hindsight that I'd stuck with it longer because I'm sure I'd have become accustomed to the bike. I sold it and bought a CBR600rr which, for all it's blandness, is actually a great motorcycle and I love it. Next Spring, I'm going to try out a 999 'cos I still love Ducatis!

Anyway Deej, best of luck with the bike. Enjoy
:)

PDL 19-Oct-2004 19:28

Listen Deej, BE CAREFUL you will be travelling a lot faster than you bl**dy realise BE CAREFUL, these machines actually hide how fast you really are going because they handle so well.

Get used to it. The 748 makes 85% of its total torque at 3,000 revs. You will eat every R6 on the road. You will corner quicker, brake later, and take off quicker, your corner line will be tighter.
I remember when I picked mine up I thought "What the **** have I done!!!" serious, but within 3 months I changed my riding style. Get used to it and even R1s will struggle against you.

[Edited on 19-10-2004 by Desmo748]

deej 19-Oct-2004 20:37

cheers guys will add a more happier new post once ive finished cooking my tea

been out for a couple of hours tonight and am much happier

harv im not ****ging your old bike off i was just expressing my first thoughts but theyre improving by the ride


[Edited on 19-10-2004 by deej]

[Edited on 19-10-2004 by deej]

deej 19-Oct-2004 20:52

phil cheers for the offer
you have a u2u on the way

anyone live near cornwall for a ride sometime ???

Harv748 19-Oct-2004 21:47

No offence taken Deej...just trying to put across in simple terms that your not the first or the last rider to change from an IL4 to a V twin and comment on the difference.

Enjoy...and pray for the sun:D

deej 19-Oct-2004 21:53

cheers harv

the sun was shining and ive just added a new thread about todays ride, well chuffed now

desmo748 The 748 makes 85% of its total torque at 3,000 revs.

i find that hard to believe but who am i to argue with the stats

PDL 19-Oct-2004 23:18

Quote:

Originally posted by deej
...desmo748 The 748 makes 85% of its total torque at 3,000 revs.

i find that hard to believe but who am i to argue with the stats

Sorry Deej, I was wrong it is 3500 rpm, read the article on Ducati.com it is fascinating

http://www.ducati.com/bikes/techcafe... obal&artID=36

"How big is the gulf that separates it from a Ducati twin cylinder that, at just 3500 RPM, is already delivering 85% of its maximum torque?"

deej 20-Oct-2004 22:21

will read the email about it all later, should be very interesting

KeefyB 23-Oct-2004 08:50

Quote:

Originally posted by Michael J
This is a very interesting thread for me because I bought a 748R this year having ridden a succession of IL4s (the last being an '03 R6). I simply couldn't get on with the bike at all. There was nothing wrong with it at all, the problem was me! The thing just felt agricultural and I totally missed the point. I missed the smooth transmission and power delivery of my old bike as well as the total confidence in a bike's reliability which the Japanese specialise in. I should have ridden it hard as someone else has advised in this thread. Instead, I was babying it as you do a japanese bike and it didn't respond.

I wish in hindsight that I'd stuck with it longer because I'm sure I'd have become accustomed to the bike. I sold it and bought a CBR600rr which, for all it's blandness, is actually a great motorcycle and I love it. Next Spring, I'm going to try out a 999 'cos I still love Ducatis!

Anyway Deej, best of luck with the bike. Enjoy
:)

Ah but Mike you did go out and get yourself an 'R'.Surely the worst of all the Dukes for pussyfooting around on.I hope you get yourself another Duke soon and see you over at Grafham for a rideout.Have a good test ride of a 999 but dont turn your nose up at the 749.Marko is chuffed to bits with his.He's never far behind on a rideout!;):devil::devil::devil:

deej 23-Oct-2004 19:54

i think i'll need to try riding her more like a two-stroke, up high in the rev range and all that

we'll see what happens in the near future


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