Well i got me some diablos for testin at cads this weekend......i needed something and the word was just a maybe it would be p******...

so will feedback on monday......

Phil.

a shrewd choice.......i hope! ;)

time will tell if not i guess i buy another set ....:ninja:

"I could not find the Pro listed on bridgestone website"

I did a search earlier on the Bridgestone website earlier, the product is the there - but in French !!

The gist seems to be they are produced for the super moto brigade, but some of the sizes will suit us.

"Well i got me some diablos for testin at cads this weekend......i needed something and the word was just a maybe it would be p******..."

Diablo's came fitted to my Monster, mmm....

First time out, new tyres, rear slid out on a roundabout at sensible speeds.

Second time out, ditto.

Neither were dangerous and it felt "controlled"

Now I know they were new, I know I wasn't putting lots of heat into them and I know it was cold, but I was surprised.

I may be wrong but I think Diablo's take a while to warm up/scrub in and if they do then surely thats not what we need, even if they are great once warmed up?

I've only ridden my monster a few times now and they have pretty new Diablo's on. They felt a little slippy but I don't think they have a chance to warm up.

Might speak to Mark Wright about them, get more of an idea about them.

Great thats instilled alot of confidence for me this sat....:(


Phil

Fantastic, we're gonna be backing it in and powersliding out of corners whether we like it or not!!!

Tim:ninja:

Phil,

I wasn't pushing it, acc or braking, you may well find that under those conditions they do warm up pretty well.

I know that if they were a new set I was testing I would be cleaning off the release agent before running them and probably giving them a good old scuff up aswell.

Would be nice to hear of your experiences after practicing in the right environment this weekend.

On the other hand. I've used them since May last year and not had a problem.
Ok so not on the track - well actually yes on the track - they were fine no problem at all.
As for race conditions, if they are picked we'll all be in the same boat and finding out just how quickly they will warm up i guess.

maybe we should of all bought Multistrada's and approached it as a super moto event

:eureka::eureka:

"As for race conditions, if they are picked we'll all be in the same boat and finding out just how quickly they will warm up i guess."

Agreed, but if a tyre with equivalent levels of wet/dry grip is available that warms up quicker and achieves higher levels of grip sooner that will be my first choice.

I went through a set last season on my 900 and (trying to be completely objective) they only let go unpredictably once (club corner - silverstone - damp).

At TA3 (rocky) they behaved very reasonably on a nightmare track, and I was able to lay down full power on about 50% of the corners, the only exceptions being the two corners everyone came off of.

In the dry they've been exceptional, probably more in terms of profile and stability rather than outright grip. The only time they've broken away was on a baking hot day Snetterton under heavy rear braking on the last lap of a hot session. I've watched plenty of folk bail on the first lap of TDs last year on a variety of tyres, but never felt like the next would be me!

I've never tried any bridgestones, but I have had Dunlops 207s and they didn't agree with me at all. I'll be up at Cadwell this weekend on new diablos as well so you should get plenty of feedback next week...

Cheers,

Ali

I usaully run warmers on track days but will not this weekend to get a good idea of the tyre.............and i will deffo be scruffing em up a little b4 hand..

will let u know how i go

Phil

And mine......

Phil

I'll be at the back, see what kind of angle everyone gets before it lets go and then adding 35 degrees to it :devil:

(yes, I know that means I''ll go straight ahead :lol:)

Keeping fingers X'd here for 090's - held really well on mixed weather trackday - great in the wet, no probs either in dry.

Alan

footnote from C: maybe he wasnt going fast enough!!!:lol:

Last season the CB500 guys got their 090's for £110 a pair I believe, so they are cheap.

My own personal opinion having raced on them for 16 rounds, approx 48 x 20 min sessions plus some testing, is that they are not very good in the wet. They are very good in the dry, but if you're running in the front 6 or so (depending on how far the top 6 are spread out of course) you'll be looking a set every meeting.

In 1998, when I were a lad, at Brands Hatch free practice, I used the same set from the previous round at Cadwell I think, anyway, they slid all over the place and I was 13th quickest. Queue a phone call to my sponsor, and a new set was purchased for qualifying... I knocked 3 seconds off my time and qualified 3rd, pretty much where I had done all year.

All I'm saying is, that the 090's will be great for most people, but not in the wet. And expensive if anyone actually wants to try and win the championship, as they go off quickly.

A CB500 makes only 50-52bhp.

A 675 Duke will make around 65-70bhp.

I know which will destroy a tyre quicker.

Just my tuppence, and for some racer experience on the tyre.

I also used them for a meeting in 2003, the new 090's, so it's not like you can say the 090's were different in 1998 and 1999. :saint:

Iwould say you should get 2/3 meetings per set regardless of make .All tyres will go off as they go through heat cycles no matter what tread remains.
As racing in the wet is a concern is it agreed that you will not use wett tyres.I know this is another cost but it may save alot more expence from crash damage.A set could last all season.

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Yer but, no but, yer but - we're not gonna crash!!!!!:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled::puzzled::lol :

I think (cue the cringing)...

Seeing as most of the entrants seem to be spending freely on their brand new bikes, Ohlins, big bores etc

What diff will it make to spend £200 on a set of wets, which, like Mark says, will last all year. (Something I agree with ;) )

Then we can use a proper sticky tyre in the dry.

Mark, can you change 30+ pairs of tyres in 10 mins? :o:o:D

Can we use slicks?








I'll get me coat :bouncy:

Not racing in desmodue but i run the diablo on the road never had a prob. had rear over to the side wall within 3 miles of fitting them.

Its the wrong time of year to gauge on the open road how they will perform salt/oil etc on the road not anything like track conditions.

All tyres are black and round the only limitations are in the riders head.


Age

I really wish I was the Iconic-webmeisterDude :)

nevermind...here is a worrying French translation on the BT090-Pro:

"BT-090 Pro The light motor bikes from 125 to 650 Cm3, in particular the supermotard, such are the applicability of the BT-090 Pro. Thanks to the application of new Bridgestone technologies, this last variation of the famous BT-96 seems predestined for the sporting courses. The ideal tire for the machines of supermotard! Adherence Stability Precision and handiness "a Little technique..." - the silica gum compound enriched maintains a very high level of grip and brings a rise in fast temperature. - the reduced number of bleedings on the shoulder grants a maximum of grip on dryness and a better control on the angle, and numbers it bleedings in the center of the tread grants more grip on wet ground. - the rigidity of the carcass of the tire increases the level of grip on the angle, improves control of the trajectory and reduces the shimmy (side vibrations) at the time of a road use".

also:

http://www.motorcycle-karttires.com/racing/bt090.asp

even I'm awaiting Chris's announcement with baited breath.........

Frank

And that is one of the problems with using wets, ideally you need another set of wheels and better still discs also.
I for one haven't seen many wheels for sale lately for the bikes we will be riding let alone 30 pairs.
As Dominic points out there is going to be a fair amount of money spent by some bikes so then why worry about saving a few extra quid with a control tyre.
Still hopefully after Saturday we will be told what we are racing on.

Fantastic!!!

Who's doing this then? I reckon people have either gone the way of buying a late (or new) bike and doing very few mods or older bikes and doing lots.

I'm not sure there are many who are buying late ones and then spending loads..... are there??????:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled: - I could be wrong though?

I'm still in favour of one tyre make only, like the sand paper - wet or dry!!!:lol:

Spoke to a coup[le of breakers last week while trying to replace my dinged front wheel. Got quoted £140 for a s/h front without disc, for a wheel that is identical to the 750/900/etc. The rear is specific to the 600/750 at 4.5". 30 pairs......, 30 sets of discs...... :lol:

I'm absolutely sure it would be safer and much more fun to run wets, warmers and decent dry tyres, but I know I'm not the only one that is already feeling the pinch without the added expense.

Now watch me stuff it on the first wet day!!

Ali

The KR364 has gotta be a better tyre for the full range of conditions on that weight/power of bike. Unfortunately you can't get much of a deal out of Dunlop so they'd work out something like double the £110 that was mentioned for BT90's.

Andy

Boys and Girls,

Might I suggest that it is time to stop the speculation and wait till the riders meeting on Saturday. We will clear up all of the outstanding points at that time, so that everyone can get on with being ready for the 1st race.

It is only about 10 weeks now till this all kicks off, not long.

Chris

Agreed.......i understood we voted for 1 controlled tyre .?

what this topic has really brought home to me about demsodue in particular and racing in general is how many different views there are out there about everything from tyres to gearing to bodywork etc.

i am new to this and quite frankly the more people i speak to the more baffled i get regarding pretty much all aspects of it.

i guess there is no right or wrong answer to most of it. it will just come down to everyones own personal riding style and individual set up of bikes etc.

i am sure that the podium places will be made up of varying bikes with varying set ups/gearing etc. as in all racing from motogp down.

for me, im just going to take as much info in as i can from all concerned, try and understand it all and then make my own mind up. i have loads to learn but i think i will be all the better for it come the end of season.

a year getting used to the bike/racing, ready for a serious assault in 2006?

i can but dream.

Steve,

We have been in direct contact with those people who are entered.

We are not going to be carrying out a public debate with people who have no involvement with the series. Additionally any announcements will be made direct to registered entrants, not via the message board.

Thus the meeting on Saturday is a closed one to entrants only and not a general discussion forum.

well put that man.....

:D

Never thought i would say that....LOL

Phil

Seconded !
As someone who _wants_ to take part, but has just spent over 2k to upgrade just my 350 racer to get more fun this coming season ... I think that is exactly the right way to approach this series.
It should be a way of finding out about racing in as low-stress ;) a way as possible.
You can enter a different series next year if you want it to get complicated ;)

So why the secrecy? I've got no vested interest in the race series, other than having a few buddies racing, but I'd still like to consider myself as an interested party, I'm curious as to what goes into/makes up a racing season, but according to this directive I've got to pay up and be a racer to find out? Who's race series is this? I thought it was being run for the benefit of the club and all it's members, not just an elite few?

there's no elite few but i do think its fair enough if the racing comiitee want to tell the participants first and keep something off board for the time being. its done with other things such as trackday booking etc.

No Dickie mate, I can easily understand not wanting to pre-empt the chance to get everyone together and tell them at the AGM. But why the point of making this meeting for "racers only" when some of us nosey parkers want to hear whats going on too? ;)

as they say; the clue's in the question! ;)

What ever is decided will be decided by the people racing which is how it should be-if we throw everything open to the message board there will be 500 different opinions which will affect the 35 people racing-which isn't very democratic is it?
It is Wednesday Pm now, the issue will be decided by the people involved on Saturday which is only 3 days.
If I had been allowed I would have decided the issue 2 months ago myself-but then that wouldn't have been very democratic either would it...........:lol:

John

Elite on my budget and most in the series...PLEASE.........

Phil