"Hi there. A quick question about the bike, the 999R doesnt have multiple holes on the bottom footpeg mount like your picture shows. A genuine R frame has just two for homologation purposes. So is the frame 999R or is it from another bike?"

HI, THANKS FOR THE EMAIL, I THINK YOU MAY BE SLIGHTLY WRONG THERE, THE LOGBOOK / FRAME NUMBERS ALL MATCH UP AND IT SAYS 999R, PERHAPS THERE IS MORE THAN ONE STYLE OF FRAME, I DON'T KNOW ? CHEERS

To be fair, from your close up piccie I can only see two positions on his frame - the hangers are on the upper setting at the mo.

Still appears dodgy tho...

heres what he said

Hi there could you please provide the engine and frame number so i can veryfy this is an "R" model. Thanks alot !

Cooperlargo
HI, THANKS FOR THE EMAIL, I CANNOT GIVE YOU THE ENGINE NUMBER AS ALREADY SAID IN ADVERT THAT ALL " R " PARTS WERE REMOVED THE ONLY PART LEFT WAS THE FRAME AND SPEEDO / ELECTRICS ETC, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I AM VERY WARY ABOUT GIVING CHASSIS / FRAME NUMBERS TO ANYBODY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, BUT YOU ARE MOST WELCOME TO COME AND VIEW THE BIKE, BRING WHOEVER YOU LIKE GIVE IT A GOOD GOING OVER RUN ANY CHECKS YOU LIKE ETC, THIS IS A GENUINE SALE I'D LIKE TO THINK I'AM A GOOD GUY, PLEASE CHECK MY FEEDBACK IT SHOULD GIVE YOU A BIT OF AN IDEA OF HOW I AM, CHEERS

/ian

I have just sent him the following question and await his reply

Hi I am quite interested in your bike however I am a bit puzzled as some of the frame details do not appear to tally with your statement that this is in fact an R model albeit with most of the R bits removed.Is it possible that you could give me the engine number so that I can assure myself that it is an R before bidding

If you look at the ebay page he has amended the description of the ad twice last night.

I got the same reply to my question so asked him for the reg number so that I could carry out a HPI check.
This was his reply
HI, NO PROBLEM THE REG NUMBER IS WM03EKB HOPE THIS HELPS , CHEERS

I put in a similar question to the rest of you this is the answer I got,

HI , THANKS FOR THE EMAIL, I HAVE THE AUTHENTIC DUCATI 999R PLAQUE IT IS IN A RED LEATHER BOUND CASE THE FRAME NUMBER ON THE PLAQUE MATCHES THE NUMBER ON THE FRAME ITSELF, AS STATED ALL THE " R " PARTS WERE REMOVED FOR RACING EXCEPT THE FRAME , CLOCKS , ELECTRICS ETC AND REPLACED WITH STANDARD 999 PARTS THIS ALSO INCLUDES THE " R " ENGINE, YOU ARE MOST WELCOME TO COME AND VIEW THE BIKE BRING WHOEVER YOU LIKE GIVE IT A GOOD GOING OVER AND DO ANY CHECKS YOU LIKE, PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT MY FEEDBACK I'D LIKE TO THINK IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA WHO YOU ARE DEALING WITH, CHEERS

:puzzled:

The 999R never came with anything other than a red frame. Why would you re-spray it grey and fit standard everything else? It just doesn't ad up! Someone should go and see it. Is anyone local?

WOOOOOOOOOoo, easy tiger, the ORIGINAL 999r did indeeed come with a grey frame!;)

Did it? I stand corrected! It's not exactly an R if all that's left is the frame though, is it?? And why use the full carbon fairing for racing?

[Edited on 22-2-2005 by Twinfan]

in 2004 and 2005 only twinfan. 2003 have grey frames.

Me also.

Not convinced all as it seems.

Has anyone asked about the head light unit? Or more pictures?

I would, but i can't read my the replies at work

So is he saying it does have the multiple frame mounts? If we say the frame is nor 999r then what exactly is R?

If we say ok it is a 999r frame and logbook, where did ALL the 999 bits come from? There an awful lot of std 999 bike there, sourced from rta damaged stuff? Bought new?? Another source??

Why take evrything else off for racing and put them in a different frame? What's wrong with the 999R frame?

Sounds like a re-built write off. Sold all the goodies (Ohlins, carbon, magnesium etc) and put on used standard stuff. May even done it on an exchange basis? My Ohlins for your Showas plus cash etc.

Probably a decent enough 999 if it's been rebuillt correctly, but not what it looks like. What spec 999 motor has it got? Are they sure it's not a 749? What about the ECU, keys etc

So, the frame is grey like a 2003 R, and it appears to have the R's two-setting foot peg setup instead of the standard model's multiple settings, but the swing arm, the Bip rear sub-frame, the Bip seat itself, the fairings, everything else is from a standard 999. The engine and exhaust, all from a standard 999?
At what point do you say, "It's not an "R", it's a standard 999?
I have to ask ... why?

so to sum it up;

its a standard 999 and he's selling a 999r number plaque as well. simple. :D

'03 999's have all got the same swing arm, only '04's that changed.

Now check the frames, u will see said bike has an R frame. Point where it meets the rear sub frame the frame is differant to a 999bip or 999S.


helped if i added this! :lol:

[Edited on 22-2-2005 by flanker]

[Edited on 22-2-2005 by flanker]

Hmmm, think you might be right there.:(

Flanker's right.

Again though, I ask "why?". :puzzled:

Very very strange. It's definitiely an R frame. Must have been a crashed, non-recorded bike. Eveyrthing worth anything has been traded/sold/swapped for standard bip bits. Who knows what the hell the engine is? If it's got the 999R clocks, christ alone knows what the genuine mileage of the motor is?

Why would anyone buy this?????

Because, someone whose never had anything to do with Ducati's might?

Or, this could now be legit? The reason for doing this strange, and maybe TF you are right, been smashed and re built. Frame could have been repaird and re-sprayed to hide the damage. Or he feels he might get more money selling the R frame off than his race bike?? Carbon bodywork is on a racer maybe? or sold elsewhere with the goodies, as mentioned above. The clutch cover is damaged. Is it possible someone has bought an R frame, which has not been recorded as damaged. And parts sourced from elsewhere. Maybe the fairings on the bike are damaged, and repaired? I think the seat unit has damage on it, there seems to be some dark marks on it.

I don't think we'll ever find out what really has happned.

What do you think he'll get for it £7,500?

I would call a policeman

What would you call him?

I have asked the seller the question, exactly what engine is in it, where did it come from and who fitted it and is the bike registered to him? that was at about 1pm I have not had a reply. I also note that all the questions being asked are not being made visible to viewers of the auction, this is something the seller chooses to do or not!.:puzzled:

chooses not to.

Right here goes;
it is an auhthentic 999r,with bits removed,as stated by the seller,fact !!
Ducati 999R
Chasis no;ZDMH400AA3B005060
ENGINE NO; ZD999W4-000866
DOFR;12/8/03
LAST KEEPER CHANGE;18/8/04

It was on finance up until 1/2/05

now clear,on hpi !!! so get it bought & stop wining,all ov yer !!!

So all you guys,that are putting the boot in,for the seller,should be careful, what they say,as this looks like a genuine sale,& on the face of it is a cheap bike,and would make an ideal trackbike for someone !!

[Edited on 22-2-2005 by Simon Reed]

Also who put it together, was it a ducati trained mechanic. Also I thought that both frame and engine numbers were on the V5.

Cannot argue with that, after all was me who realised it was an R frame. So, what has happened to the R parts? Where did the new parts come from? Why go to the expense of getting 999 parts fitted? How did the damage on the clutch casing happen, and is there damage to the rear seat unit? Who re-built it?

I ask this, because Simon you seem to have some answers.:)

[Edited on 22-2-2005 by flanker]

Do we know that's the engine that's in it? He said al the R bits had been removed except the frame and clocks, which means the engine has been changed?

Guys,guys @ the end of the day,if ure not buying it,it dosn't matter who built it,or where the bits came from does it,eh ?,i only did what a few of you should have done,in order to authenticate the bike,you do your homework,as i do,before handing over the hard earned,when buying any motor vehicle,most of it's common sense !
if you're not happy with your findings,you don't buy,& walk away,but in this case,the seller has informed us all,of what you're buying,& on the information found,he does appear to be telling the truth !!!
if you're buying it,then visually inspect the frame & chasis no,against the V5(log book) then against the info,i supplied,& thats all you can do,don'think,what if this,what if that,just don't buy it,job done !!

We're just curious that's all...

bump.

Personally if the donor parts came from a suspect source I'd be very worried - I hope the seller turns out to be genuine and can afford to give away what appears to be a few thousand pounds worth of profit.

Regards - Frank

i think it is reassuring that people on this site bring these things into the open for various reasons - we all get blinded sometimes when buying our dream bike (only once though!) but maybe if the dodgy people who are traders/sellers/parts people think it is going to be a bit harder to get away with it they will move away from Ducati's - as a victim of crime i would support any "sensible" method on making sure that our hard-earned treasures are kept safe - if you are genuine then no worries eh?

Does it mean that someones standard 999 has gone missing at some point to get all them parts.

Quite

Well said MisterPink, I thinks it's excellent that a bunch of well meaning guy's & girls who are passionate about motorcycles are willing to take the time to look into things that don't look quite right. As you say if it's genuine you got nothing to worry about, so well said again.