A Nitrous Oxide bottle disguised as a catch tank?

I wonder if i've got the lowest bhp at 49.7 ? Probably a bit less now as that was done at beginning of year. Not that it matters to me much seeing as I can't make use of all that power :lol:

AK says he'll do it for a cuppa tea:) - cos he would be like a 'pig in pooh' taking things apart! :lol:

Std 05 620's are about 62hp from factory, so with pc & good zaust system fitted will come up to about 66, as should increase power by 2 hp each item.

As you said earlier Geoff, and I did too, right at the beginning, the set up of susp etc, is much more important for these bikes. You have shown that all season mate - as did Andy on the bog std engine snot at Cadwell:)

C

LOL like you need it..some of the riders are on bikes with 51.5bhp at the rear wheel..so if you find a spare 10bhp chuck it down to the peasents in the low ranks huh.!

:frog:

I've always thought I wouldn't be slower with my 583 Monster than with the 620. I'll definitely have to check that at a trackday. I think with so small engines, the rider ability makes everything.

I used to believe the maxim "rider makes the difference" and to some extent it does. But then power is just as important. Put a bunch of riders of equal skills on the same bikes with varying engine outputs and the faster bike will mostly always win. No matter how good you are a 10bhp difference is a CHASM.

This year in MRO I've been struggling. I am rarely passed into a corner, never in a corner but, almost always passed in a straightline particularly when it comes to acceleration. I've had to resort to outbraking as the only means to make a pass because even if I was tucked up the exhaust pipe of another rider, once he was onto the straight he would power away. Anyone who is suffering from a lack of power compared to others will know exactly what I mean. It's incredibly frustrating and leads you to taking chances you wouldn't normally take in order to make a pass.

I got my bike on the dyno a few times and found it was only delivering 64bhp so, I was some 5-8bhp down on other bikes and it showed. Now I've done some more work on it I'm back up to around 70 with a 5bhp gain at 6500rpm so, it'll be interesting to see what difference it makes.

If you get any work done on your bikes then I recommend you verify and compare readings against those obtained on another dyno. I believed the outputs that were quoted for my bike when it was given a workover earlier in the year. Since then I have spent most of the season castigating myself for getting whupped, getting down about things and losing faith only to find that the bike was indeed not right.

Power does matter a lot.

[Edited on 15-9-2005 by twpd]

I trust you, but when I have a look at the results of people who've run different engines in the season (Dom and Geoff by example) I don't see where the difference is. I agree on the fact that power matters, but I think it matters a lot more at your racing level than at ours (orange bib race series :D ). If I would have some money to put in my bike, I'd buy a new master cylinder, a new rear shock absorber and I would make my forks reworked. I wouldn't change anything to my standard engine... Of course if I win the national lottery, things are different :lol:

i know of a few..;) suffering those exact symptons..........

sounds like you are thinking of my hubbie there Phil:mad:

just cos he is addicted to pulling mechanical things apart:o
and also to dyno machines:lol::lol::lol:

You like booze & women:frog: - he likes engines:lol::lol::lol:

C, off to dial in her cams;) :saint:

A lot more than you can from a 583 :D

Cheers Phil (I think :puzzled: ), I had the benefit of Geoff guiding me round Cadders at the last track attack and he was happy with my speed into/round/through corners but was asking why I didnt accelerate along the straights, reckons he was keeping up on tickover. With 50.7bhp available (on MHP's dyno) that's the sort of difference 10+bhp CAN make :o

Antoine, if you ever want to take 'Monica' for a spin to see how us peasants "make do", you're welcome mate ;)

Paul, I may race in your class next year. And I remember all my feelings when riding Julie2 (that's my 600 Monster). So I'll deny your offer regarding Monica :D

Rob will join in there - he's the same !!! :devil::devil::lol::lol:

LOL .....i class myself amongst the peasants with sub 53bhp......LOL..class post though made me laugh

[Edited on 15-9-2005 by fil2]

We're going off topic here a tad, but...

My 620 is making the same power as my 675 big bore bike - we don't know why and that's why there has been no great difference in MY performances - that and the fact I've been getting slowly demoralised during the season.

...and I think that Geoff's engine only lost a couple of bhp, not 10.

Don't forget that 10bhp may not sound much, but it's 20% between 52bhp and 62bhp.

Not sure how equal riders would go on 120bhp and 144bhp for example?

Probably go the same speed eh - not!

Is the 240-250bhp Desmosedici faster than the WCM with 200bhp?

not with you on boad it wouldnt be. ;)

I don't care :P

How many votes have I got for this holiday anyway? I must be the most popular bloke in DD :lol:

what ? .........altogether?

I know it's loads of votes, but try counting them on no fingers - it will make it easier :lol:

i really cant divulge any infomation at this stage;
but i wouldn't rush out and buy yourself any new speedo's for the time being.

dammit :sniff:

Prepare yourself for the rush :lol:

I think you're wrong mate. The way you present things just doesn't care about the weight.

There is no point calculating a power ratio if you don't deal with the weight of racer + bike. Take 2 bikes of 3.1 and 2.6bhp. The ratio is still the same (20% power less for the second one... oh my god) but with a weight of 175kg each, I think those bikes will make the same laptimes (which should be very close to mine :D ).

What I mean is that smaller the engines are, less significant the difference in their laptimes will be. And at our level (novice racing), I think rider skills are worth 95% against bike preparation... I definitely think Geoff would have won the championship on any bike, but that's just my opinion :D

I don't think he would have won it on a 583.

Maybe he would like to ride one at Cadwell?? :lol:

He can take Max in the SOT if he wants :D

you let him ride max in the DD Lin - and I'll let you borrow the Tango Queen instead!!:cool:

ok, maybe not. He would have been second just behind you :lol::lol::lol:

for what its worth im not so sure horsepower counts anywhere near as much as some people are making out.

last time i was on my 146 bhp 999 at brands indy best i did was 58.65

on my 60? bhp monster a week back best i did was a 58.06

now, ok its a year apart and hopefully i have improved a bit but even so? going from what some people are saying i should be WAY slower on the monster.

I hope to be able to give the definitive answer on the "how much better will you do with 10bhp more" debate at Cadwell. :ninja:

pray tell !

I hope you won't be too much disappointed :saint:
(3rd was your best position of the season wasn't it?)

...but you're a muppet :lol: ;)

Look at what Andy Johnson did at Brands... from 53 ish up to 66 ish, and went from fighting for 5th??? at best to fighting for a WIN!!!!!

A good rider shows the diff between 53 and 66.

I'm sure you'd go a bit faster on the 999 this year - in a race - if you weren't worried about dropping it etc etc

...and if it was down to rider ability, why are all the fast guys on expensive and finely fettled bikes?

Coincidence I suppose.

Why didn't Geoff, Clint, Dave and Mike just spend £1500 on a 583 if that is all you need??

yeah!:D

and look what Andy did with a 583 at Cadders at the beginning of it all eh?:P

And remember Andy had never ridden that bike he had at brands - nor had he ever ridden the track, not put in any tracktime since Donny!

Dom - you get out on a 583 mate & show them how its done.... :lol:

...I'm waiting for you to go out and show me how easy it is :P

And why are you SO slow on a 620 mate :lol:

I know coming from me it sounds like a joke. But I'm a typical example that rider ability is much more important than the bike... Because I've never done better than 15th on the bike supposed to be the best for the series.

But actually, I think we won't agree on that point. It doesn't mean that I'm right or you're wrong :lol: we just see things in different ways.

[Edité le 16-9-2005 par Tonio600]

My 620 makes 53 bhp thats why!!

:flame::frog:

:lol:

You do not like frogs do you? :D

Only when they're cooked properly ;)

that would be too easy - I'd need my road mirrors on, to see how far you were behind me!:P:P

C, off to Rugby next week......:smug:

That one is for you Dom :D :


And the best for the end :lol:


Ok mate, it comes from an Hyperpro leaflet and of course they were not going to tell us that changing our suspension is useless, but anyway, I do believe in that way of thinking. And even if I think they may exagerate when they speak about 40-50 bhp, I do think bike suspensions and rider ability are more important than 10bhp (especially when those 10 bhp are out of 60...).