Nope, you've completely grabbed the wrong end of the stick.

At no point was anything I said to the exclusion of the wider club membership. The series DOES belong to riders, because they are club members the same as everyone else. I never said that it doesn't belong to anyone else in the club nor do I mean to infer that. Nor am I inferring that members outside the series shouldn't share their opinion on the series. I think you're reading between the lines too much.

My point is some people have a pop and a dig at people for discussing the series on the message board for no valid reason. The Desmo Due forum is here for that VERY reason. And if other club members don't like it they should stay out of the DD forum and concentrate on what they do like about the message board/club and stop bloody whining like .... things that whine a lot ;) !

In my humble opinion.

:D :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

Only the top 6 are likely to cheat then?

How about someone finishing in 7th coz they're running an illegal engine, and would normally finish 15th?

They're hardly just cheating themselves are they.

The only way you can stop cheating is by opening the rules up so that there is no room for cheating.

Have basic principles e.g. weight, engine capacity etc and then, anything else goes.

Otherwise saying 70bhp limit, or no this and that - if nobody checks EVERY bike, how can the rules be enforced?

Had a bad day in the cab Dom ?
This is a small club series we're talking about here by the way.
Stop practising your moaning techniques on us or I wont buy any more of your corsa tyres with the corsa logo carefully scraped off.

(They were wasted on me anyway :sniff: )

[Edited on 20-10-2005 by phil_h]

Managed to post twice then delete everything there...what's going on, LOL!

Dom, I don't doubt everyone takes it seriously once they're out there, but I'm not going just to come back stressed after every round cos I didn't get a trophy, is is purely for fun, to improve my riding and get away from the trackday idiots :) I don't want it to be overly serious and complicated is all.

Just noticed - 42 replies and only 5 of us voted :rolleye:

:lol:;)

Fair enough TP, I apologise if I've clambered on the old hobby horse...

I hope my only contribution prior to your message (my post about bending rules being human nature) didn't come across as whining? If it did, it wasn't meant to, and it certainly wasn't a pop at any individual. I was just trying to share that in my experience of motorsport (which I've been involved in, in some small way or another, for most of my adult life) some people will always try bending the rules sooner or later and it's usually in the second or third season of a new class being launched.

You'll have a great time ;)

It's only complocated by the fact that the rules require stringent checks - something that seems very hard to arrange...

...and this isn't a dig at anyone either, just trying to bounce ideas around and see how we can sort 'our' series out.

The rules are great for next year, but need to be enforced or loosened so that cheating isn't possible.

No worries Jools, I certainly didn't have your post in mind as I hobbled onto the soapbox :D

I'd offer you an olive branch but Dickie's been around and cut them all down to make baseball bats out of them.

:lol:

Dom, if you are serious about making a racing career then you are in the wrong class simple as that. If you believe you have the talent to make a career (and I wish you luck) then a few ho is going to make no difference. If you don't believe me take a look at Dan Hegarty the young kid we are taking to national superstocks next year. He beat a club F600 champion on Pere Riba's ZX6RR with 130hp on his completely standard R6 cup bike, giving away nearly 30hp. This is the sort of talent needed to succeed in racing. Club racing is the bottom rung and if you can't win at club level even with a 25-30hp deficit you will never make it any further. I'm sorry if this is harsh but it's true.

As for the question yeh go for it, anyone can strip my bike at any time. Of course who picks up the bill for it being rebuilt at the tuner of my choice I don't know.

I've entered this series as I saw a nicely run series this year, I had enough of an open class where there were no rules and people were running ex bsb bikes, I could never afford to tune a bike that far or run it ! So the DD class is ideal for me, I will never go anywhere other than mid pack club racing at my age and I accept that so this looks like great fun :) :)

I don't think your initial post was the point of any contention.

I think it was other non competitors just having a pop which rubbed us sad DD'ers up the wrong way ;)

Your post was actually good :o

:D

You have me completely misunderstood Tony.

I don't want to make a career out of racing - I'm 29, too slow and too poor!!

Just for fun huh...............on the no8 bike...LOL..u better remove those hi-comp pistons then............:P

bugger, that's how I read it but hey ho ignore all the above if that's the case :)
TBH I am well used to bikes being quicker down the straights and I don't suppose the DD bike will be any different after all 15st and 56.92hp don't mix too well ;)

My point was just - if the rules are to be enforced properly - there must be a parc ferme after every race AND someone who knows what they're looking at if a bike is protested.

Neither seem easy to sort out, so why bother with such specific rules - coz people will 'bend' them if they know they won't be checked... like this year!

That's all.

Also, I think you'll find your new bike makes 61bhp - alledgedly :lol: ;)

Dom you can't say that nobody's racing in DD for fun. That's just wrong. I do it for fun and I'm sure not to be the only one. I don't care about my position. I can finish last once again (or even twice) I don't care, as soon as I feel I'm improving.

Some people seem to take part in the series mainly because it's a race series they can win (or they *think* they can win...). I'm taking part in it only because it's on a Ducati I can afford. I joigned the series because I love Ducatis, and I will stay in it because now I love that club.

So for people like me, this idea of "parc ferme" (stupid French words...) is just a joke.

Why do you need to improve if you're doing it just for fun?

It obviously does matter to you.

ALSO... I do it for fun too, but I also want to win - but that's just in my nature - I'm competitive.

:D

[Edited on 20-10-2005 by domski]

LOL FYI I am only doing it for fun too Dom, results don't matter a jot to me :)

Everyone calmed down now? Group hug? :P

In that case, everyone doing it for fun - stay behind me please, coz I'm wanting to get to the front ;)

:lol:

It matters to your new bike..its used to winning............:P

LOL I'll be behind you anyway :puzzled:

:puzzled:

You aint seen nuttin over here yet!

I've only just opened my first beer ;)

Now that is harsh!!! :lol:

Naughty Phillip :smug:

Anyway Fil, your opinion don't count coz you're in the 'B' class. Leave the important decisions to the proper racers :o :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::P:D

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sing:

OK, are you a happy, cuddly drunk or an angry, sweary one? Just so I know what's coming next ;)

So basically, we're agreed that I'll be allowed to fit a 999 engine and win the races, whilst everyone else (who's doing it for fun) just rides around behind me.

Great!! Why didn't you just say that in the beginning ;)

:lol:

Not even my therapist can answer that :)

:o

Well, there's no stella in the house so more of the former and less of the latter.

:D

[Edited on 20-10-2005 by TP]

Thanks. Very constructive.


That the Mr Neeves I passed with 10bhp less.?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

You go girl!! ;)

For the road mate... I don't want to die on a roadside like too many guys who didn't control their bike. I already know when I'll stop racing, it will be next year or the year after, for sure.


No it doesn't. Believe me.


I'm not competitive at all. That's just in my nature. I think I'm too conscious...

You sure everybody will be behind you???? :lol::lol::lol:

Well, nobody else cares - Everyone is doing it for fun :P

good luck to ANYONE running a bent bike,i for one can sleep at night!:lol:
Butch

Fancy running a bike in minitwins Grahame?

I know this guy see ...

:D

Is that in addition to the 2 620r's and the 583 guest bike?
Butch

I don't mind if you dump one of those to make way for the minitwin bike :D

TP need both 620's and i cant see the CSS lads being to happy about me ditching the 583 !
Butch

Bugger!

Oh well ... if you change your mind ...

Dom have you not worked it out yet, part of the fun is beating you ! thats why so many say they are doing it for fun.
Me I know better having seen you race before I was having fun just trying to keep you in view, then in that last round you did a proper disapearing act. :(