Not quite a DD bike but Dallas had his ZX10R in primer at various race venues this year, I think it may have been in it at Castle Combe if not it certainly was by the time he rebuilt it following his off at Quarry

I don't know yet :D

so did AK


620 engine from breaker + loom off something else (750ss) airbox from something else + powercommander he had on the shelf that was going onto the tri-colour 900.
Was a nightmare getting it all mapped out for the bike, on the dyno, to check it was all 'talking' to each other component


same here - labour was the most 'extensive' for AK


mmm - should have looked at one part;)

its certainly the easiest way...

but transplants can be done, and now AK knows what does/doesnt work, it wont take so long on the next one..... ;)

edited to add: also tank, with pump came from the same breaker that Louigi got his 620 from - they came from the same broken bike as his!
Luckily Andy J repaired the tank, so it was re-usable again : cost £cheap all inc postage:smug:



[Edited on 13-11-2005 by AK and CK]

OK OK OK!!!!!

So AK and Louigi did it the same way, blimey woman, I don't know EVERYTHING do I - at least I said he got it working.

:P

Now, what you doing on the computer? All the washing done is it?

:lol:

roast dinner cooked: check (CK)
dinner eaten: check (both)
bottle of wine consumed: check (both)
washing up done: check (AK)
top gear watched: check (both)
clothes all washed :check


reading about 'bananas' on the DSC site: still in progress:P

Mmmm - we wondered about that...... :devil:

Dom, why not run a 583 with a big bore kit in the 620 class ? Surely that would keep everyone happy ?

On a personal level I wasn't allowed in the 583 class and I have raced less than you and don't hold a National Licence. Had I have been allowed to race a 583 I could have saved myself over £3k in bike costs.

[Edited on 13-11-2005 by couchcommando]

Of course you're welcome to race with us mate. Personally I do it for real fun, so I won't get pi$$ed or anything if you do well :lol:

I want to be competitive, and to be competitive in 620, you need a 620 - no question.

It was also proven this year, that fitting a big bore kit is a complete waste of money.

A 583 with a bore kit still only makes 51 to 52 bhp not exactly competitive with a 620i, then there is the better throttle response from the injected bikes plus a fair bit higher rev range and on top of that some 620s have 6 gears.
I always though a good option for 2006 would to allow class A bikes with a 583 based engine taken out to 675 and allow some head and cam work but possibly still running on standard CV carbs be allowed to run against the 620s.
I 'm buying Glyns 675 kit off him for my old engine and if I have the time and spare cash I will probably have a look at doing something with the heads to see what a bit of porting and flowing does for them.

Looking at it from a complete Novice point of view, I've entered this on the understanding that I'll be out with Novices. That and the cost of the season are what appeals. Nothing against anyone here, but I'd rather the rules were adhered too, it's a novice class, end of. Whether you're quick from doing trackdays matters not a bit, you've no prior racing experience, which is a world apart from just riding round on a trackday. It is annoying that the 620 class is that much more expensive, but if Couch was turned away from it with his limited racing experience and had to fork out £5K ish for a bike, why should it be any different for anyone else? If it starts getting one rule for one and one for the other the series is going to start looking very amateur and cliquey indeed.

I understand and appreciate what you are saying totally. I seem to be in a group of one that thinks bending the rules slightly is unfair so it doesn't really matter what I think but I am allowed to have my opinion. Just what other rules can be bent to allow someone to be competitive if they can't afford it ?
I'm torn aspart of me wants to be sporting and part of me would be upset that I had to spend all the money on my bike just because I could afford it :(

I think that if I was new to the series for next year, then I'd have no chance of going 583.

There is only an outside chance now.

This is purely because I supported the series this year.



*Going on the info that you supplied in earlier threads, I think you've probably raced more than me, and within the last 12 months too. My racing was done 6-8 years ago. All the points you raise are answered in my above posts.

I'll abide by whatever decision and race happily on as none of it is really life changing is it :)
So fingers crossed you get the RC decision you want.

I do see your point entirely, however, what about the people who have raced in DD this year. They may hold novice licences, but they are far from nervy beginners.

The rules do state that...


So it's not being cliquey or favoring one person over another.

That's the rules - and they may not let me in!!

:)

From the 2005 rule book, that was voted on and agreed to by members of the DSC, now under these rules Dom is allowed to race in the DD seies where as several others will not be allowed to. It is only because the date cap has been removed that we are now looking at two classes and hence it looks like Dom is the loser while others gain from it
So whats this about bending rules


2.1.4 Qualification for entry to the series

2006

For the 2006 series, entrants will have to have been members of the Club as at 1 March 2005, novice licence holders or not have raced for at least 5 years.

I've always loved the French :lol:

;)

Absolutely, there are going to be people there with a whole year's experience, but still holding novice licences. If the comittee decide in your favour, fair enough, it's their call. I personally just want to get out there and get going, whoever I'm lining up with on the grid at the moment :roll: Hurry up Springtime!

You've got me feeling guilty now :(

I totally appreciate your position, and I'm sure that the RC's decision on your entry would be different if you had ridden in DD in 2005.

I'm normally on the smelly end of the kind of stuff, so hopefully everything will work out for all of us and next year will be a great laugh - like this year was.

At least you got a sweet bike. I'll have to build a rat bike :rodent:

O come on it's just as good as the racing this is :lol:

Yeh but we're old folk so just like when racing we're worn out just as we get going :)

Don't spoil it, I'm just starting to get emotional :sniff:

*gets box of tissues out* :sniff: ;)

Look guys, there have been times this year when I thought other people were getting favours...




















....so now it's my turn :lol:

You need to get on the RC quickly ;)

Well if this thread is anything to go by there aren't any objections are there ? :)

So long as you abide by the rules and meet the criteria set by the RC why shouldn't anyone be allowed to race? I look forward to having the chance to race with you in our very own rat bike class next year Dom, has "Ducati" (or Weeksy) got a bike ready for it too? ;)

[quote]Originally posted by Grib
Looking at it from a complete Novice point of view, I've entered this on the understanding that I'll be out with Novices./quote]

I competed in the DD series this year as a COMPLETE novice, and believe-you-me, it is better that the entire grid is not made up of complete novices. No...far better that there are some wise heads out there to keep things a little cooler! My most vivid memory of the year (apart from ploughing my shoulder into Cadwell's grass at high speed at the last meeting of the season) was lining up on the grid for the first race at the first meeting at Cadwell, and witnessing at first hand all the hi-jinks that ensued once the lights went out...believe me...it got progressively better as the season went on and people began to realize that the race wasn't won within the first ten yards of the race! (Sorry, forgot, Dom pretty-much made ten yards on the entire field in race two at Brands...but that's another story!!!)

So I have absolutely no problem with Domski entering 583s for next season....lets face it, he has given a lot of people a lot of amusement this year...the series would have definitely been the poorer if he hadn't been there to both ridicule and have "pops" at!!!!

All you of you UTTER novices out there entering DD for the first time in 2006 DO need a benchmark, and so long as we don't have some utter wizz out there clearing off by a mile, then a smattering of more experienced racers do actually serve that purpose. In 2005 I certainly used half a dozen of the faster riders to aim at, rather than concentrate on who was behind me.

Me, I am still smarting from my injury, but have learned a lot from it, and would dearly love to come back into the 583s to show some of you newbys the way home....if my wife will let me out to play next year!!!!!!!

Good luck to everyone for 2006, but ESPECIALLY...GOOD LUCK DOM....WE LOVE YOU:D

Andy #99
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i'll be in 620 next year but im going to comment because i can...........and i would have the same view if i was in 583.

doms a clown, he's not that good anyway, the races he does manage to stay on in he'll probably be banned from anyhow.

he is however a top bloke, has shown alot of support to the series and i would be happy to race with him next year.

Dont bring me into it Dom.....I meet the class criteria..i am a novice......

U get my support for entering 583 for ALL the right reasons....even at the cost of a few "oh so "coveted trophies..im sure the DD will agree the Series is not about how many Pots you get.....

Be good to have you in 583 and in the paddock m8.........:D


ps..cant say i wont give it " he should not be entered blah blah" when you/if beat me on your Rat bike..;););););):P

because they are racers and want to race and beat people. simple.

This does make interesting reading given that the very reason the rules have been drafted as they are is that a significant majority of the riders wanted the 583 class (as shown by the poll of signed-up riders done by MW) 'protected' from more experienced riders. How come everyone seems to have changed their minds?

Incidentally, I'm not clear from Dom's first post - did he or did he not compete in two races on a 583 this year?

nope Lizzie, the Snot was 583 at cadders, then later a 675, then even later a 620.
Dom was 675 to start with, then later the 620.

I 'think' these were the only 2 bikes to 'morph' over the season - except perhaps Paul Paynes, later on.

Butch, looking back at the replies on here, you'd need to contact quite a few more, as only the 'vociferous' are here, and dont seem to make even 50% of the 583 riders (I think) mate.

C:)


[Edited on 16-11-2005 by Webteam]