And normal procedure is to code them at PDI as I'm led to believe.

My information is yes.
Dave reillys bike was started when new with the red key,after his off at snetterton a secondhand (delivery mileage) uncoded set of clocks were fitted and hey presto it ran fine!
Butch

But has anybody tried disabling the immobiliser - which could simply 'uncode' the clocks - and then tried using them on another bike ?

I think I'm going to have to try this out with the race bike's clocks, and then fit them on the road bike to see what happens.
I would really like a get-out-of-jail routine in case it mucks up one of them !
I hate working without a specification :o

There's still the problem of being able to run without the clocks. Who wants to use std clocks when just a tacho is needed? Is there a way of disabling the immobiliser? Steve at Italia in Lincoln wasn't aware of one.

Owner's Manual page 16 is titled
'Procedure to disable immobilizer engine block through throttle twistgrip'

I've seen that but that doesn't permanently disable it, does it? Nor does it get around not being able to run without the clocks which, is what I need to do.

This is a total nightmare, isn't it?

Got a copy of the updated haynes manual today - it has a much longer write-up than the owners manual :P

- the manual disable is temporary.

- it doesnt mention the clocks at all - mostly just the ecu, with a brief note (chapter 4 section 7 paragraph 7) '... to allow information transfer between the decoder and the ecu ...' so i would guess the clocks have a 'secret' decoder function which stores all the key transponder ids.

I've just looked up the fim u59 price - £450 from sigma !!!!
That sounds like a spare set of clocks, ecu and power commander to me :D

Power commander £195

New clocks £365 :o

ECU ?

So lets add it all up properly then ...
(all contributions gratefully received)

fim u59 = £450 from sigma
race tacho = £200 +
total about £650

clocks = £365 (list ?)
ecu = £100 second-hand ?
pc3 = £200
total about £665

(then add setup costs to either route)

The FIM computer has some advantages over running the OEM ECU with adjustability etc as far as I understand. I've had this conversation with Neil Spalding as well.

Spoke to John hacket about this on saturday he says that ducati have software to setup/bypass the immobiliser but are reluctant to release it he is working on it.

Race tachos don't cost that much. More like about £125 - less again if you buy from Natty.
Next if you get a used CPU then to be sure you will need all the keys.

So..option 1 is about £550.

Option 2 is still £650+ and you still have the problem of what to do if you trash the panel in a crash.

I've been through all the options time & time again. The most risk free option (and TP should understand the thinking behind project risk assessments ;)) has to be the FIM route.

interesting - he didn't communicate that to me when I last spoke to him a month ago. I understand Ducati's reluctance tbh if such a solution exists - it would soon become public domain and once that info is out the thieves will use it.

You know, for all the amount of discussion that has taken place here, the amount of research myself and others have done and all the phone calls made, not to mention the time that the likes of John Hackett have put in - the safest, cheapest and easiest option is still the FIM ecu

This is great if you can use it within the DD rules framework - alas for me, I approached the Minitwins organiser/s (Mike Edwards) and was told that the FIM would not be allowed. I preferred to ask rather than just do it and hope not to get caught out. I'd rather not cheat so it effectively rules out the use of an 800ss in Minitwins unless you have very deep pockets.
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[Edited on 17-1-2006 by twpd]

Agree totally.
Just trying to make 2 points very clear ...

1. Setting up the 620's (or 800's) to race 'properly' is NOT cheap.

2. The DD series are about CLUB racing, so we should try and make sure we all share all our knowledge, and how we got to it.

I too spoke to jh on saturday about this and he made a very valid point,if you have an off thats not too serious you should be able to repair the clock housing with gaffer or such like,however if your off is bad enough to wreck the clocks you proberbly aint going to restart!
Also in last years racing there was not one case of anybody not being able to race because there clocks were smashed.
food for thought.
Butch

JH echoes the point I've been making all along and this is the point I also made to Mike Edwards to no avail

As it happens my instrument panel on the 800 waswrecked but, I was able to rescue the internal pcb which, I am going to rehouse in a steel box under the seat. However, as I've not got the red key and only one black key if any component goes tits up then I'm knackered which is why I want to use the FIM.

Absolutely right.
My 620 was "rested at the side of the track" twice last year and the clocks weren't even scratched, let alone smashed beyond repair!

In the event of not going for the FIM setup, and not wanting to cough for the software to bypass the factory fitted imobilliser, it seems all that's necessary is stick the pcb in a box under the seat and keep it plugged in.

Are we singing of the same page yet?!! :lol:

unfortunatly not nick,no-one has mentioned about what happens if we need to reboot the sprogler valve at the track,will we need the ducati software or can we just use a size 6 hammer!:lol:
Butch