no not yet, should pick it up on the 4th in time for trackday on the 5th, i hope!

not having too much done just a bit of set up, pc111 etc also had front suspension changed too. but be good to see where i am compared with last year. just as a starting point.

I CAN
The Superbike Grand National at Castle Combe, missed last years but the year before Emmett, Rutter, Ryo etc were there for a non points race and I think you will find NG's race at Cadwell in May this year is a non Championship race although Sunday is a Championship race.

I wasn't aware that such a small percentage of riders were polled in the original vote. In that case it makes sense to do it again.

if the vote is 'for' to start at cadwell - will another later round be removed, to keep it as a 6 race series tho?

I stand corrected Kev......still does not alter my thoughts. So i guess u r a non points at cadwell man then cos thats what the BIG boys have done in the past on a rare occasion.

Yeh but, no but - the GN is effectively a Trophy race, so there is still a winner and places etc, ie positions counting for something more than just pride.

NG's Cadwell Saturday round is no doubt considered practice for Sunday's Championship round. So these don't quite compare.

sooo many questions.................

Sooo much better than working!!! ;)

i assume the sat race at snetterton wil be dropped.......so we dont have to go to snetterton for a full weekend.?..

so many answers...................

if a vote is being put to all riders, while we're about it how about sending out a basic rider profile to fill in too. just so we know who's in what etc.
only basic stuff:

name
age
race no.
bike
no. of previous championships won
no. of decades racing.
favourite flower etc.

<groan> I'd better get down the gym :(

3 races at Snett - Hmmm will our little 600's cope with this engine trasher circuit I wonder :puzzled:

still makes an 8 meeting series tho Phil to travel to.
It just aint so 'cheap' an introduction as originally portrayed.

Some will not go to Assen making it 7 rounds ...

I think most will agree the DD has mooved on from being a budget entry to racing.....still though it is one of the cheapest ways to enter into racing...AND the best imho...but i agree it is expensive but to coin a phrase i hear bantered around when i moan about costs " there is no cheap racing "


:sniff:

I'm happy enough with that Phil, I can't see why everybody is so wound up about points this year after I raised the point last year about late entries to the series not meeting the 2005 season entry requirements it didn't stop them scoring points and therefore causing a few riders to end up with less points than they should have had.
I can think of a couple of riders that scored NO points at a meeting because they finished outside the top 25 when riders joining the DSC and entering DD part way through 2005 did score points

As Cadwell Woodlands last year was a non points round for me with 3 DNFs I see it as a oppotunity for Novices and riders with new bikes to get in some real practice if its non points and as a race people that have never done a start before will get a chance to practice and if they get it wrong a bad finish isn't going to hurt there points tally.

So every year when we get novices we are offering a race practise meeting with no points to practise your racing.?? so the DD is now offering a series that not only steps up from trackdays to racing in a softer environment, we are now offering a race meeting with no points to practise your racing .!........

And Kev can you honestly see cads being a practise meeting..when the grid lines up it will be a full blown race...and IF some are taking it easy cos they are practising we are then going to have considerable speed differences etc.?

[Edited on 24-1-2006 by fil2]

*waves*

Memo to self - must try harder :eureka:

Not being involved in any way shape or form with DD, none of this matters to me, but it's an interesting read..

Have to say - can't see the point in anyone going to Cadwell in March for a non-points scoring race, why risk anything if there's nothing at stake? Why run the risk of trashing a bike and missing the first round proper at Brands? Doesn't add up to me... :puzzled:

Still, good luck to everyone

Martin

I believe!
 

The spirit of DD is that of a budget, novice race series where ordinary CLUB members, who maybe have experience of track days, have the opportunity to take it to the next level without the alleged "cut throat" racing you may encounter in more "regular" race series.

Thanks to the huge efforts of Chris Bushell, Monty & MW on the RC and the riders for putting on last years spectacular, it HAS grown from that, which is one of the big reasons we've got to have a split grid this year.

One of the reasons put to me for FORCING the issue at Assen by INSISTING that it's points scoring was to coerce us to go so "the club" could put on a good show to prospective club members that would then join with us, the feeling was that there wouldn't be enough entries if it wasn't points scoring! In other words it's nothing more than a publicity stunt and we'd be the ones that'd pay for it in hard cash by going there. A fantastic opportunity yes, but not one that should be part of a budget, novice race series, especially as it's a limited grid! Apart from the fact I can't afford it I won't be going on principle.
I think it should be a "Trophy Race" like the race of champions at Castle Combe, I don't believe it should be points scoring but if you're going to force anyone to take part at Assen then why not "just" make it a points scorer for the 620 series?
What would you then do with the 583 riders who would want to go but would not be "part" of the race?
If you let 583 riders compete in a 620 race at Assen (it IS a mixed grid after all) how will that affect those that want to play hard-ball in the 620 class when they come flying round a corner to find two 583's having their own private battle in the twisty section of the "583" race? Should anyone give way? Of course not!

Those people that can afford to go to Assen (or those that get selected) will be battling in a smaller field than they would normally, those of us that normally finish in the bottom half of the order (myself!) would benefit by scoring higher points than we otherwise would. Is that fair on those that can't afford it or aren't selected?

The whole thing about us going to Assen is out of context with a budget/novice race series, especially when we have tracks available in this country that can take both classes on full size grids and are easier to reach for the potential club members that I've ben told we want to attract by going to Assen.
At the end of the day (it gets dark. I know) you pays yer money and takes yer pick, but until it's finalised it is still open for debate. So let's!

I'm not sure we all interpreted that question in the same way...
Some of us read "Do you want a point scoring race at Cadwell in March?", I did read "Do you want a race meeting to attend at Cadwell in March?".

Of course nobody will want to race for only the risk of destroying the bike, I think the question was more when do you want the season to start...

Anyway, I'm sure the MT's email will make us all friends again :D
(please forget I'm French :lol: )

we are ALL friends ..........:D............and no we wont ever forget you are french.............:saint:

Paul - this is exactly what we have been saying all along since last summer, when the idea was put on the table.

Trophy/prizes etc....not points

C

well i can stop you there for a start.

you been shopping then Dickie?:lol::lol::lol:

no point in anyone who normally finishes outside the top ten even turning up then. call me a cynic. i wouldn't bother.

sounds like there is less than 30 going anyway Mr D

So if the new vote :puzzled: is for points at Cadwell and no points at Assen can we pull out of Assen with no financial penalty. I voted originally for points at Cadwell and with that an early start to the season.

your just trubble making now Mike!:o:P:lol:

ME:saint:

Assen is not about points or not for me....Im going regardless of the point situation.....im going because i probably wont ever get the chance to Race at Assen ever again.....To actually Race at Assen in 2 races and have an hour on track on the saturday on what is one of the best GP circuits is to much of an offer to miss............
To share in the whole weekend experience with the lads ! race at Assen...its going to be a great memory and not cost alot more than a UK round..sure its a drive but hell so is Cads or Oulton............

Can i afford to go no..........am i going yes!! i simply cant afford not to from an expereince point of view

Those that choose not to go will prolly regret it.............i know i would......

:D

I agree totally with you Paul. I'd rather do Cadwell for points and not go to Assen - from a financial point of view - but it's been confirmed that Assen is points scoring, so it's forced my hand. It is only because Assen is for points that I don't want to go to Cadwell as well.

I gave my answer based on that info, rather than the fact that I'd rather do Assen.

Wot he said :)

Hear, hear :D

LOL....

according to this

a. it's not a proper series
b. you have to be a CLUB member
c. it's not cut-throat....

not sure that's right mate.

Yeah, wot he said too ;)

Ed Zachary! :D If I'm going to spend £x000 this year, what's an extra £1-200 to go to Assen, meet some of the Dutch gang, see their fantastic bikes (and they are legendary), ride the new GP circuit, eat too many waffles, and show them how to race. :D Or at least how to crash with style!

As for points at Cadwell, I can't condone forcing complete novices into potentially very cold/wet conditions for their first race. Our first weekend was hard enough as it was without the prospect of serious weather hanging over you (yes, it was a little wet in practice, but there's a whole world of difference between practicing in the wet and racing). Having said that it'll almost certainly be picture-pefect weather now just to wind me up! :lol:

I'd also like a chance for my shoulder to strengthen up so April would be perfect all round. :)

Just my 2p.

Ali

me, me, me;)

As for points at Cadwell, I can't condone forcing complete novices into potentially very cold/wet conditions for their first race. Our first weekend was hard enough as it was without the prospect of serious weather hanging over you (yes, it was a little wet in practice, but there's a whole world of difference between practicing in the wet and racing). Having said that it'll almost certainly be picture-pefect weather now just to wind me up! :lol:

Ali [/quote]

I can understand where you are comming from Ali and others that support non-points but can i respond with a few questions.?

Last year the percentage of complete Novices was alot higher.? where was the concern for a free race practise with no points then.?

Last year we started on the Cadwell Woodland Circuit.?? has to be far more dangerous than the full Cadwell circuit this year..??

We Started 1 month later..is the weather going to be so much worse.? cos i remember waking up with the Iraq war going off over head at 5 am .! and racing in the ****ing rain and cold.?...

How many offs did we have at Cadwell Woodlands in wet n cold.? Not as many as people thought and the vast majority were novices

Are the complete novices that concerned about getting a Race for practise with no points.? will that be the deciding factor to there race season .? they chose to race without the chance of " live " practise....i think not...

Donny was the wettest race all season and that was August.?

If some of the DD racers dont turn up for Cadwll non-points it not much of a DD race season kick of is it....does it potray us in a poor light.?

Cadwell non-points = snetterton 3 race weekend i have been lead to believe.....are the DD massive aware of the ramifications if u bin out on the sat and miss 3 races.? your little 583 boils over in the 30 minute race then its gotta race again on the Sunday,..?

Just playing devils advocate.!..as i dunno what i am doing either way

:borg:

I've fitted a temperature gauge and the oil cooler should follow soon :D