OK, so it looks like 46 max on the grid there then.

so, if 49+ are entered, are we going to get 2 different class races?

if not this could be a bit of a question: are 3+ people going to miss out the combined only grid races, after the qualifying session then? - in which case HOW is this going to be sorted out if any one of those 3+ theoretic people have already missed out on say, Cadwell/Brands/Assen????

not a gripe with the RC, but a very valid question that needs addressing asap:)

Lets make this a problem!!!
At the moment we are not getting 46+ DD bikes on the grids.

Looking at the results, it seems that at Brands we had 21 x 620s on the grid and 23 x 583s.

If you were New Era what would you do?

We'll do well to make a full grid if we all turn up.

You're asking for contingency for a situation that seems unlikely to happen. Unless you know of another 6+ riders to get past your quoted 49+ ????

It seems that we can get one full grid and it will make a great spectacle.

Tim

Is there anything stopping the 583's entering Class A at the moment?

If not, then they should pull their finger out and enter both classes on their 583's.

Then NE can't deny a second grid.

Also means that the 'novice' class get extra tracktime (cost of £50) and they may learn something too?

Maybe :eureka:

Just because we might put out 50+ riders doesn't mean we will automatically get two grids - its a really big event for New Era, they want a spectacle for the big crowd and a full DD grid is better than 2 half filled ones.


It would be nice to get some additional practice in place of the 2 races - perhaps???? ;)

Tim

I agree with that.

If you can pull it off.

Also how about having it all on one day (like Sunday) ;)

As I am now on my second season with my 583 having only carried out oil and filter changes to it, I don't intend putting more race miles on it at extra entry costs just to make up the numbers to have the same problems I would if we ran races with a mixed grid.
It may only be £50 for the extra class. but do that at a few more meets and I may as well have spent the money on going to Assen and for all I know that could make Castle Combe entry fee near to £200.
Escaulated costs is not going to encourage others to sign up to the series, I suspect some didn't turn up at Brands because they committed their money to doing Assen.

At Cadwell we put out 22 Class A bikes and 24 Class B bikes at Brands it was one less for each class. So we started with 46 and have since seen a reduction so to New Era it looks like they only need to allow for one full grid at Castle Combe and I can't see that changing, but a practice and a race on each day would be nice

Fair point Tim about the 44 at Brands, but riders such as:
Lin,Tonio, Sparesgeezer, Adam (T5mission) were missing from 583's ,
as also in the 620's were Geoffy (is he still racing??) Ducati UK, Uncle Dunnie & Paul Payne.

Maybe it will just be a close call eh?:)

LOL time for a POLL
:frog:

:P:P

maybe those with 2 bikes shouldnt be allowed to enter:P
so everyone can get the chance to make the grid:P:P

im not pleasesed about sharing a grid but im sure the MT are working hard to solve the problem.
it looks like its going to be up to us to get more people on the grid, im talking to a few of my friends and im sure there members in the club that are thinking about it if we can get 6 more riders signed up we be fine (i think).
if they are going to put us on one grid lets try and get something out of it say okay put us on one grid but we want a untime and a time practice.

i know a few of you have got two bikes now so cant we make the numbers up that way (if can get a gap between races)

im not sure what the deal is with new era. is that we only get two grids is we can put 25 on each grid?

just some ideas

HMMM dont quite get that one, cos if there is only one grid Im hardly going to ride both bikes am I.:lol::lol::lol:

the way you ride glynn nothing would suprise me:P:lol::lol:

If you get less that the grid total (46?), then I'd go for the option of sharing a grid with other DD'ers, otherwise, if say group A get a grid of their own and group B are under 25, (and you therefore don't have the ammo to shoot at Jim P), then you WILL be mixed in with other classes to make up a full grid, fact!!! it's money and filling grids, especially at such a big event for New Era - is this the one where the big boys come out for a play, if so, the first year they did it, there were circa 10,000 people watching or something, (and I got my first ever race winner trophy), so they won't want half empty grids and they'll need to pack everyone on to give the crowd something to watch.

WeeJohnyB

If you count the DUK bike and the riders with a entry in each class we have a total of 57, a couple have possibly dropped out but could possibly be replaced by others wishing to enter a 2nd class.
at Cadwell 11 decided not to enter, maybe because the season started to soon for them, at Brands 13 didn't enter can't be for the same reason.
I do know that if I had my entry form for Castle Combe here now I would be filling it in and sending it off, would that be true of everybody else on the list below

Andy Johnson
Nick Boustead
Tony Hathaway
Ali Bisson
Dickie Thirkettle
Ian Leah
Tim Howard
Tim Howard
Roberto Bernini
Jed Atack
Duncan Abbott
Phil Harris
Phil Harris
Kyle Hinton
Eric Howe
Antony Espindola
Paul Towsey
Tony Perrin
Ducati UK
Geoff Spencer
Peter Yates
David Pratt
Paul Mugridge
Grahame Butcher
Mike Belcher
Glenn Graham
David Ainscough
Paul Payne
Paul Payne
Duncan Moore
Dominic Cann
Paul Martin
Max Gidney
Glyn Hinsley
Lin Jones
Chris Wood
Phil Huntley
Dominic Clegg
Franco Nisco
Adam Ferguson
Murray Brown
Stuart Smith
Kieran Morris
Paul Sutliff
Kevin Mooney
Mark Foskett
Kevin Ellis
Kevin Palmer
Andrew Griffiths
Lucie Stone
Andy Challis
Richard Hathaway
Antoine Josserand
Kyle Bennett
Mike Atack
Andy Roberts
Doug Clemmans

I do know that if I had my entry form for Castle Combe here now I would be filling it in and sending it off, would that be true of everybody else on the list below

i would

I would

As would the majority that have taken part in the two rounds already run, but how about the others that have done only one round or even none

So far we have 30 point scorers in Class B (28 bikes, 30 riders) and 25 in Class A, so a total of 53 bikes have raced so far over two meetings.

IF we have a single grid of 46 at CC split equally between the two classes then it looks like 7 class B riders will lose out and 2 class A riders, is the DUK bike to be entered, if not then only one class A rider stands to lose out.

Actually I'd fancy a practice run in the class A on my 620... :eureka:

if i enter the 583 and the 620 in the hope its two grids but then becomes a combined grid . !!! what happens to my entry in 620..

New Era is a commercial organisation that needs to at least break even over the year. It isn't a club like ours run by philanthropic volunteers who don't get paid.

The Casle Coombe meeting is a prestigious event with international races taking place and the likelihood of a large crowd being in attendance.

The grid at this event can take 46 solo bikes so if you had to hire the circuit at prime time and pay for all the services what would you do ?

I'd want to see full grids with interesting racing and would negotiate the best options for all concerned (speaking as a business man).

It must be like juggling jelly to sort it all out but at least we can put our case forward from the perspective of a cohesive club rather than a bunch of individuals (if that is allowed to happen of course).

Both the Cadwell and Brands Hatch rounds were discussed at length with New Era, who listened to our points and came to the best compromise we could agree.

At Cadwell we sorted a shambles of mixed practice into races for each class, albeit with H*nda's included but at least it was a better and more workable compromise than the original offer.

At Brands we negotiated single grids and four longer races to make up for Cadwell in some part, these weren't full grids but on that occasion no other bikes were put in with ours.

You seriously have to realise that at some events there is a great interest in entering so we need to have the ability to negotiate at each round (as I've already clearly stated) to get the best out of the series.

Don't get me wrong; I do appreciate that it's your money being spent on entering but try to give us some space to work with New Era so that a workable solution can be arrived at.

That's how club racing in the UK works, it has to ideally make money for the promoters and at the very least not make a massive loss.

On the entry form there will only be provision for you to enter two races not four, you could always ride the 583 in one race and the 620 in the other.
You can only enter what is on the entry regs when we get them

Anyone know which is which ?



PROVISIONAL EVENT AND TIMETABLE

SATURDAY

08.45 – 09.00 Untimed Practice ACU STAR – Formula 125
09.08 – 09.53 Untimed Practice SUPERBIKES
10.00 – 10.30 Timed Practice FIM WORLD SIDECARS – 1st Qualifying
10.40 – 10.55 Untimed Practice ACU STAR - Junior SuperStock
11.00 – 11.15 Untimed Practice ACU STAR – 125cc Grand Prix
11.20 – 11.50 Timed Practice SUPERBIKES - 1st Qualifying
12.00 – 12.30 Timed Practice FIM WORLD SIDECARS – 2nd Qualifying
12.40 – 12.55 Timed Practice Bracken KTM 660
13.00 – 13.15 Timed Practice Ducati Due
13.15 – 13.30 Timed Practice Ducati Desmo

PAUSE (Classic Parade 6 Laps)

14.15 – 14.30 Timed Practice ACU STAR - Formula 125
14.37 – 14.52 Timed Practice ACU STAR - Junior SuperStock
15.00 – 15.15 Timed Practice ACU STAR – 125cc Grand Prix
15.20 – 15.50 Timed Practice SUPERBIKES – 2nd Qualifying
16.00 – 16.30 Race 1 FIM WORLD SIDECAR Sprint 10 Laps
16.40 – 17.05 Race 2 Bracken KTM 660 8 Laps
17.10 – 17.35 Race 3 Ducati Due - 8 Laps

SUNDAY

08.45 – 08.55 Untimed Practice Solos at Organisers discretion
09.00 – 09.28 Race 4 Ducati Desmo 8 Laps
09.35 – 10.00 Untimed Warm-Up SUPERBIKES
10.10 – 10.25 Untimed Warm-Up SIDECARS
10.35 – 11.00 Race 5 Ducati Due 8 Laps
11.05 – 11.35 Race 6 ACU STAR Formula 125cc 10 Laps
11.45 – 12.15 Race 7 ACU STAR Junior Superstock 12 Laps

PAUSE (Air Show - Superbike Riders Circuit Tour - Pit Lane Walkabouts)

13.00 – 13.30 Race 8 ACU STAR 125cc Grand Prix 10 Laps
13.40 – 14.20 Race 9 The SUPERBIKE GRAND NATIONAL 15 Laps
14.30 - 15.30 Race 10 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SIDECARS 22 Laps
15.40 – 16.05 Race 11 Bracken KTM 660 8 Laps
16.15 – 16.55 Race 12 The SUPERBIKE GRAND NATIONAL 15 Laps
17.05 – 17.30 Race 13 Ducati Desmo 8 Laps

I'll definately be at CC having missed the first 3 races.

Personally I don't mind the mixed A/B class grid, we did it last year without too many issues, in fact I reckon it would be a riot.

I'd much rather be qualifying with the Aldi boys (and girls) than the 125's we were put out with last year ;)

I realise that this is not what was anticipated but I do think that it would make for some entertaining racing never the less.

My only "condition" would be that in return for a mixed grid practice/qually/racing would all be on one day.

I'll be entering no matter what happens - because I want to race! The bug has bitten again ..

583's, 620's ...we're all in the same club so lets get amongst it and have some good racing! We get 8 lap races at CC so that will be HUGE amounts of fun! In front of shedloads of people! How good does it get as our series is welcomed back from Assen with the Superbike Grand National event!

There are a lot of club racers around the place jealous of what we have with racing at Assen and the Grand National. We've got a lot to be proud of I think!

Wise words indeed tony.............................................. . :borg:

have u been assimulated.?

Resistance is futile ;)

Cadwell
Brands - (Marathon)
Assen
Castle Coombe

= Pot noodle horn:D

:lol: :D