Not sure I agree - we had seperate grids for Cadwell, seperate for Brands and the entry forms suggest that we should get seperate grids for the rest of the races apart from Castle Combe. As Skids says, it is up to us to fill those grids with entries.

Castle Combe is a special case as its a much bigger event than the other UK races this year. That along with us not getting many riders out there and NE wanting to provide a spectacle to the the large crowd, means that a grid full of Ducatis meets the best requirements of New Era, the crowds and the timetable.

What would you do if you were New Era? You'd no doubt base your numbers on the actual number of DD riders who have lined up this year - not as many as we suggested!! This suggests that the DD can only provide just enough to fill one grid and in a packed program at CC !! - its a commercial decision based on, timings, revenue, spectator appeal etc, etc..... the average spectator at CC will not know the difference between the 620 and 583 bikes and would rather be watching 44 Dukes on full chat for 2 races than half full races of what seems to them to be the same bikes.

I see where the NE decision comes from, its up to us to get more bikes on the grids and ensure that the suggested seperate grids (indicated by the seperate listed races in the entry forms) are as full as possible for the rest of the DD races this year.

Whilst the circumstances aren't ideal, Castle Combe is a special track, with very few race meetings being held there and we will be part of a very special event there. Its a big event for CC, NE and will be for us - I'm really looking forward to it.

Tim

[Edited on 17-5-2006 by Rattler]

What he said....

So did we lie to NE at the begining of the year to enable us to gain 2 grids or have we really lost that many people, From what I recall numbers in the reigon of 35B and 32A class bikes were touted these have not materialised obviously hence the single grid, shared grid(caddy) situation.
I still firmly belive that the DD series should be running at normal club rounds where ALL the DD`ers Get to race and get as much track time as possible, If that means missing out on playing second fiddle to the big boys at castle coombe and paying for the privelidge then so be it.
My point is that I WONT have 2 bikes sat in the garage just incase we get enough entries for me to run both.
Glyn

Tim we know the entries were down at Cadwell - and Brands for various reasons (some NOT wanting to start too early at cadwell, and then some saving money for Assen by not doing Brands)

From the original list:
Cadwell had 8 missing from the 620's, of which 4 of those then competed at Brands, tho another 2 were missing (Geoff & Ali)

From the 583's at Cadwell there were 3 missing

Brands had 7 x 620's missing and 6 x 583's in total.

Over all, there are 4 out of the 28 from the 620's who havent yet taken part, and 0 out of 30 from the 583's yet to turn a wheel.

As Skids says, IF all those on the current points chart do want to enter the remaining races, then we only need 1 or poss 2 more 620 to join the others and we will have the amount to take up the grids as promised. The 583's are already accounted for most book in

:)

We said that we would put 25+ on each grid for all rounds, but we haven't done this so far.

If the DD races only ran at normal club rounds then there would be no Assen race (and this seemed to be quite popular - so I feel you might be in the minority here).

But you are entitled to your opinion on this obviously, all I am suggesting IMHO is that CC is not a typical event for the DD race series.

I hope we will get seperate grids and free practice at the rest of the DD rounds, but its typically based upon numbers entering - and we are a bit light on these at the moment.

Hence why I am entering a 620 and 583 at all the races that I can.

Tim

i dont see why we/anyone has to enter 2 bikes to buffer the grids.?...

its not practical from a timing / financial / and ****ing of others in the 2nd class you are entering / perspective..................

i for one am not going to enter 2 races purely to enable two grids............effectively subsidising those that are not racing enabling us to get two grids..........
if we get the numbers for two grids fine if not then we live with it.?

My main concern is not combined grids BUT practise as this is essentially more important to the race day for safety warm up reasons......

Phil

PS..on race day its all fogotten and we have a blinding time..remember that....;)



[Edited on 17-5-2006 by fil2]

Miss read me there Tim
Assen is a different kettle of fish, and yes i agree that was a good round for the club as a whole as all who went got to race. Running at normal club rounds would have no impact on Assen as that was nothing to do with new era was it??
Although The grids may have had more people on them as a few decided to miss Brands to save for assen, but that is here nor there. IF my bike has not sold I WILL enter both classes obviously But back to the original thread.
MY 583 IS STILL FOR SALE:roll:

Glyn - fair enough - in actual fact Jim Parker (of New Era and the ACU) was heavily involved in getting the international licence issues resolved for us for the Assen race - so indirectly its still influence. ;)

Good luck with the sale - but it'd be good to see you in both 583 and 620 races.

Or does that mean that the scooter is up for grabs for the 620 winner now !!!! :o:o:o:o:o :roll::eureka:

Tim

HMM next year Tim For sure........:lol:
To be honest i would probably after discusion put it up to the best newcomer next year....... New blood to the series etc.
Glyn

As I mentioned in a email to somebody Yesterday and as Glyn has mentioned above, DD may be better off having 6 Championship rounds run at Club level (not Superclub) all with 2 races per meeting and from the 12 races 11 to count to the final championship standings.
Then also hopefully fit in a couple of Non Championship rounds but with decent prizes where DD could be invited to run at places like Assen and Castle Combe where there is limited grids.

Makes sense to me

now that makes sense.................but i think all rounds should count...other than that.....great idea......u gonna drive this forward kev.?

6 x dd rounds

we have already been invited back to Assen...thats one invite round taken up........

nice one

Phil

I think droping only one result out of 12 would allow for the odd bad finish or DNF, riders would still need to commit to every meeting otherwise they end up dropping two scores which is a lot of points in our series

So Tim, if I get this right, you're running a 583 and a 620 to help boost the numbers?

What happens in a mixed timed qualifying, like we have had at Brands and will have at Castle Combe? Surely you can't expect your 620 time to count for 583s, so you'd have to ride the 583? This obviously would place you further back down the pack in the 620 grid *if* we were running seperate races but we're not ... so you're back to entering one class and wasting the additional entry fee for nothing!

So far we have no guarantees that there will be split grids, so maybe you've wasted money on an extra bike ... which is kind of the point that Glyn is trying to get across (I think!)

arrr..........sorry i mis- read that...i thought drop 1 round ie 2 races......dropping 1 race may work well..................

still i think all rounds should count..reward commitment and consistancy in the series.

I can't believe we can have any "non scoring point" round. Especially if that's 500 miles away of London on the Continent.

We have been invited to go to Assen again, that's brilliant.

Now maybe we should make a vote at the end of the season asking the riders if they actually want to go there or not. We were 12 class B bikes at Assen, and it was a point scoring round. Now there is no way we could have reached the same figures if the round had been a non point scoring one... I bet we would have been even less. And if we're even less, what's the point for us going there to race against 5 or 6 others 583 and a tenner of 620?

We'll have to make a choice, but for me it will be Assen with points or not Assen. I can't afford trackdays on the continent yet... :(

+1

:eureka: Assen for no points but cash prizes?

just got to get sponsor for each class maybe £500 per class even if mixed grid.

we would still go whatever anyway as was great experience:)

cool all sorted ill go with that

How about all DD rounds have cash prices........

some of us might be able to afford to race then without selling the kitchen sink.....................:sniff:

But what will you keep Kelly chained to? :puzzled:

When Kelly allows Phil to speak she tells him what she considers acceptable to be chained to.

But I'm not going there!

Spot on mister..;);)

BOLLOX!
You're saying that because I chose to miss Assen so I could afford to finance the rest of my (UK) season, I lack commitment and consistency :flame:

Edited to add:-
Almost seems that you're advocating "buying" points, and if you can't afford it then, tough! So much for the DSC club spirit!?! :flame:

[Edited on 17-5-2006 by psychlist]

GET A GRIP.....................

That not what im saying at all.........besides you did not have an issue with all rounds counting last year.??.....

What im saying is that all UK rounds should count....and perhaps as Kev suggested the Assen round/ guest round at say castle coombe be for prizes not points...therefore we can commit to all the uk DD point rounds and make a time financial choice on the others.....

I know exactly your commitment and constistancy in the season paul its no different to the rest of us....we all know what it takes to get out there and race...so PLEASE do me a favour with the DSC spirit insult and as for " buying " points i like you and others in the series have had to lean on small Financial assistance to keep going.............

FFS........


:flame::flame::flame:

Yeah me too I can make flames...

:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:

:lol:

Feel the love :D

;)

OK - I plan to race both the 583 and 620 wherever I can. If its a mixed grid for races then with my focus on 620, I will ride the 583 in SoT (if I get in).

If qualifying is shared, but with seperate races, then I'll qualify on the 620, but line up at the back of the 583 grid with no qualifying time - seems best to me.

Tim

Disclaimer: I'm not being arsey, just being realistic...

If we do get mixed grids and, say, you don't get into SoT, then it's a pointless waste of a bike, surely?

As for the qualifying, I don't think (according to NE rules) that you will be allowed onto the 583 grid if you don't qualify in that class.

You have a point and a U2U!!

Tim

I think we need to look at using more clubs, and insist that if they want our £7000 that we want 10 min practice and 15 min qualifying along with FOUR 7-8 lap races.

I don't think you'll get too many turn you down.

I think all will be fine!!! ;)

Just too cheer everbody up my washing machine flooded my kitchen last night...................wotever happens i'll be glad to be at CC even if i'm racing lawnmowers..................... :lol:.now where's that sponge.............

Its next to the grass box

NG will turn it down they already run a ful program and the club is still expanding.
They have only one practice session per class and its not timed as Grid positions are sorted prior to yoy turning up.
The first two rows are as per Championship Position (ie top 8) then the rest sorted by receipt of entry.
Race One is a qualifier, with Race 2 the points race where you start from where you finished in the qualifier.
At several venues they have a healthy reserve list even in SoT

LoL! Well and truly hijacked
 

Good luck in 620's Glyn, I hope that whoever's got your 583 is a bit easier to catch and pass than you are, I especially hope they don't run me over when I fall off in front of'em ;)