I agree with you on the first bit.... however are there more novices per 20 in the 583 than there are in 620's ?

i thought on the whole the spread of 'novices' was fairly even... (ignoring peoiple who've upgraded to clubman this season, as of start of this season ?)

It doesn't matter mate, it's bloody dangerous!!!

That's the only reason you need to know.

You cannot have 620's coming through the whole 583 grid - it would be carnage.

Why are you being so stupid?

In that case given that 583's make up the majority of the entries. I'd suggest dropping 620's. Something is gonna have to give sooner or later unless DD attracts more entries (actually again as an outsider and experienced racer I find the one-day format totally off-putting).

IMO as an outsider who has no political axe or any other axe to grind I reckon that the whole formula/rule set is confusing and complicated for people looking in through the window.

Have one type of bike - either 620's or 583's.
Have eligibility for any licenced racer.
Have two trophies: one for novices. One for non-novices.

Simple.

The class is great for new and novice racers but, whilst it will retain a harcore of followers I think more than a few will move onto other things after a season or two. Correct me if I am wrong but, the 620 class exists for those that stay? Why bother? It's so small. They can just as likely stay on a 583.

I completely disagree.

Who cares if the 583's have more numbers ... it's not even relevant. The answer is separate grids, but if we can't have that then splitting the grid is the next best solution - not running everyone off at the same time.

This isn't directed at you Tonio ... but lets get serious here. The reason we don't have separate grids is both a shafting from New Era and because we didn't deliver on the number of people that entered. Yes I think the 583 riders get the rough end of the stick but as far as I can see the majority of times you combine two classes on the grid and have a split grid the faster class gets away first. It just makes more sense.

I appreciate that some of you 583 riders have got the hump because you've been short changed, and I agree that you have a valid reason for that. But in simply reversing things are you fixing the problem or just taking it out on the 620 riders.

Fix the problem, don't put a bandaid on that shafts another bunch of riders from the club simply because you have more numbers than them. That's ridiculous.

[quote=domski]
Can you imagine 15+ 620 riders carving through a field of novices on slow bikes?
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no I can't imagine it based on oulton any rider outside the top 10 in class A would take 3 to 4 laps to catch anybody in the top 15 of class B
so that hardly constitues 15 riders on 620s going through a field of Class B bikes.
What those 10 riders do constitue is 25% of the grid which if I'm not mistaken is a minority.
and with the field spread out after a couple of laps then surely those on more powerful bikes aren't going to have to much of a problem picking off the odd 583 here and there

Where the **** did i say that ? i said you were right you lunatic....


i then asked how many novices were proportionally in each class.

Never once did i say or thing 583's should be first off...

You should read what's written instead of what you make up in your paranoid mind.

Perhaps too contentious to utter....how about running with a different club? IMO the one day format is a severe hindrance to the entire series. It makes the cost unecessarily high wrt travel costs:race time ratio.

Perhaps the number of entries would increase then?

And if you apply it the other way around how many 583 riders would come through the 620 grid?

2 races within a race, different bikes and different riders. Even so, the field splits itself. Whether you are on a 583 or a 620, you qualify about where your ability dictates.

No, it probably isn't perfect, but I think it works.

Also, how many incidents have there been on the first few corners of any DD races? Probably not many. It would be far worse if the faster field started behind the slower field.

And another thing, fair play to those guys (and girls!) on 538s gridding in front of some of the 620s!

will to live lost............

split the grids if we can by getting a delayed start in with cb5's or hornets or what ever class is also low on numbers.....

Failing that..combined grid with a 10 second delay.......

Fastest class being 620 of first

...........Although it would be nice to how the 620 lads fair tring to get passed the faster 583's.......see how that affects the race results....hhehehe

PS

if u dont race in DD you dont have an opionion unless you voice it through a racer now Rack off........;-)

the ice cream man has it..............it does work and if it continues like this it still will work.....not such a bad thing

Nopes, won't do it....

[quote=skidlids]
thats the way i would do it,

Agreed, I think that is the most pragmatic solution for all involved.

haveing raced on seperate and mixed grids i havent real had a problem with it yes i know im not running at the back and iv had a few 620 bikes get in my way when iv been chasing people down but im happy to race thats what im here for. i have a massive smile on my face at every round iv left so far i love it.

just looking at BSB you have two races with in a race you have BSB and privaters cup and rides get mixed up there okay not to the same extent we do but


Im real happy with this racing it doesnt cost the earth everyone helps eaxh other out. iv leant so much about racing, i know theres problem with a mixed grid but i think it work at the moment and i for one havent real had a masive problem with it.

lets get some more rides and then we can push new era again

You lot whinge too much :p Split/seperate grids would be lovely, but it's not going to happen. I'd rather be out with the rest of the DD field than CBs or Hornets, I like being amongst all the smokey Ducatis :D It's not ideal, but it'll do just fine thanks :)

well said mate!!

If the straight line speed is the problem can I suggest NickB is given a weight handicap ;) ;) ;)

Seconded!

Thirded!

but I am running at the back

Yeah, get out the bloody way :lol:




















...but you're out there dude ;) :D

I want this to be fun and stay fun......

It will always be fun when you're on your bike and on the track :D :D :D :D :D

Can we go race yet?

agree with that one...c u at Donnington

FFS !
This thread is an example of why people are leaving !
If you want to race, the type of bike you are racing against doesnt matter.
Racing is about trying to get in front of someone and trying to stay there.
NOT ABOUT THE TYPE OF BIKE HES ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE stop turning the one-make type of thing into a problem.
Its actually fun having races at some circuits with another class, and other circuits with another class. Trust me.

Let NE decide who to run each class with so they can make their books balance, and we'll get more DDs out there.

The thing thats stopped me from doing more than one round so far this year has been only getting one grid. (And I really wanted to do CC but am not poncing around with 1 race per day ! I just did 11 races in 2 days :-) )

If you want to learn how to race you have to do lots of races.
Cant you get your heads around that ?
I can run 2 DD bikes for the cost of one proper racer, so stop poncing around with 'DD is special' and work on MORE DDS OUT THERE IS GREAAAAAAAAT !