Is that the Korean equivalent of 'chicken-in-a-basket'?

LOL sais "you "who have race wot twice in DD...??......just cos you are happy to play at racing and bang about at the back with the bhp disadvantage.....great woopee for you...some of us do care...........

Funny innit really the peeps who say " i dont care " " we dont care " never actually get anywhere.............................

PLONK.......................................glove down

but you and me races in the allcomer heat,where you had 250,400,600,750.1000..all on the same grid.....I thought that was great.....

even when i race in the 600 class,bish 600 honda bike was pushing out 126bhp where mine was only 116bhp...but it didnt bother me!!!!


but think it would be good racing if the 583 started first with say 10 seconds head start...

Yes but u bish were in the same class right.?...............

Once again i say the peeps who say they dont care or woteva ..are not the guys who's race or aspirations are directly affected.?............no.? yes.?

Don't recall seeing you at the back of your class ? I don't care how the grids are mixed I really don't. I do care about my results but they are what they are. When/if a 583 is in front of me I'll learn from them. if I was on a 583 and I was the first 583 and had a 620 holding me up it wouldn't matter as there were no more 583's in front of me. If I'm on a 583 and I'm not in the lead (which would be the real scenario) and a 620 was hloding me up I'd have to learn to ride quicker as the only place to be is 1st.
As I said I spent most of last year in a class where the speed diff between my bike and the winning bikes was way more than the diff between a 583 and a 620, I got my head down and used the experience to learn and improve eventually getting well into the top 10.

The only thing if I was you that would slightly annoy me is not taking the chequered flag 1st, of course you will get to do that next year.

but i was saying the 583 should start first...only the fast 620 people will catch up with some of the 583 people!!

i thank you:)

i hope that altho i am not a racer and merely a bike owner that some of what i put could be listened to by the rider reps. but as i dont race perhaps i should get one of my riders to put all this down instead:rolleyes:

Skids, opening the licence to national for 620 might wel increase the grid in that class mate

seems it must be quiet at work for you lot with the foot stamping and also kittens here:p

take Oulton there was a 4 way battle for 2nd place in the 620's. just what mercy would they have given to the slower 583's when they caught them half way round the 1st lap !

too dangerous mate.
best to be split onto other grids like cb's or hairnets otherwise a 10 second start on same grid with 620s going first.
but hopefully there will be 2 grids so this is all hypothingy anyway:)

yeah can see your point.......

lets just hope that there can be two grid for next year then.....

if u were 2nd 583 and could not challenge for 1st because u had 3 620's in your way....then thats fine as you can learn from them...learn what.?...how to go faster in a straightline.?... i miss your point.?

The fastest lap on a 620 at Oulton Park was: 1:59.8

The fastest lap on a 583 at Oulton Park was: 2:05.62

Close enough to a 6 second PER LAP differential.

The fastest lap of the lowest placed 583 rider in the race was: 2:22.2

21.5 seconds PER LAP slower than the fastest 620.

If you had have set the 583's off 10 seconds ahead of the 620's at Oulton it would all be happening before the first lap had even finished. Madness.

Imagine the carnage of the front running 620 pack coming steaming through the back of the 583's. Just like the 4 way battle for 2nd place at Oulton.

That is just dangerous, and anyone who thinks that is the most logical solution is crazy.

how do the timings work out Tony if the 583 start on a 10 sec delay.?

We'll catch them 10 seconds sooner that we do now ;)

The slowest lap of the lowest placed finisher in 620's was: 2:15.8

Approximately 10 seconds per lap slower than the fastest lap by a 583 racer.

So 10 seconds if you reverse it, as opposed to over 20 seconds the other way.

The 583's would take twice as long to catch the 620's AND, the most important thing is, you can clearly see that the closing speeds are reduced by more than 50% which is quite obviously a LOT safer.

IMO

so if we are a combined grid a 10 second delay start for the 583's appears to be the best way forward.?......

Who agree's disagree's.........?

That's OK if you want to have your own grid - but more 583 riders will lose a lap (as you're giving the 620's a 10 second head start). Plus you're still gunna run in to the 620 pack just as you do now.

I don't think there is a good solution to combined grids.

If practical, I'd like to see the gap a bit longer.

Using 20 seconds as an example:

The 583 riders will have approximately two laps before they hit the tail end of the 620's and this will give enough time to settle into some sort of order - of course there will still be battles etc I know. But this means that there will be more chance for the 583's to get 'established' before having to worry about carving through a field or slower riders.

I also don't think that 20 seconds is too much of an inconvenience for anyone.

Thoughts?

how right you are ...................

Im actually going to stop weighting my arguments in favour of the 583's....im the only person it seems to concern.....................

Funny really when im in 620 next year ( hopefully ) where it wont trouble me in the slightest


can we go race yet....................

Yes, but using Oulton as an example the riders there are quite spread out. So it would really only impact a couple of riders.

For combined grids I think it's the most practical solution.

From a speccys point of view.

Have reversed grids, fastest at the back with red lids, cover the track in shale how about a round at Odsal??

How about bonus points for style, a backflip over the mountain at Cadwell gets ya 10 points, a stoppie into Redgate 5 points.

Not celebrating a win with a wheelie sees ya docked a place?

Ray.

Sorry mate... we've got work to do here...


:lol:

As this is my first post in this thread then you must have known I was at least following it Alan and yes I am taking note of suggestions.
As rep for the 583 class I think of the 30 plus riders that are campaigning this seasons championship and have to consider what best serves the class they race in.
And combined grids i don't believe does, neither does starting them after the 620s have got a head start.
I asked in another thread what do we do about quallifying if we only have one grid next year (NOT something I want to see), so I am taking note of any suggestions that look as though they will increase grid numbers in class A but not at the exspense of class B, so I'm not keen to go back to last years of one class up to 620cc

I think class A needs opening up to attract more entrants, but I want to see Class B remain pretty much unchanged as the formula does work, it attracts entrants that have never raced before as well as those that haven't raced for years and one of the reasons it does this is because bikes can be put on the grid cheaply.

If we targeted race meetings at tracks with smaller grids such as mallory then seperate classes should be possible

I think you have very rosey, rose tinted glasses on Kev.

There were 24 bikes in class B at Oulton, 21 at Castle Combe, 11 at Assen, 23 at Brands and 24 at Cadwell.

Where are these 30+ riders that keep on about????

You haven't once had enough for your own grid!!!!

You have a bad habit of making out Class B is brilliant and Class A is the problem - I suggest you look a little closer to home before pointing the finger!

30+ bikes indeed!!

Don't forget the people that are leaving Class B to join Class A as well - the grid will be more even next season, with closer to 20 in each class.

We don't need to open up rules to have 50 or 60 bikes, or seperate grids.

It simply won't happen. Next year we'll have 35-40 bikes, on one grid.

In the absence of separate grids, I recon starting all together in qualifying order like we do now is the best option.

There'll be the occassional pairing of 620/583 holding each other up at different parts of the track, a situation me and phil have found ourselves in a few times this year, but that ought to be less of a problem than those scenarios described above with the delayed start.

As for caps... don't get me started!!!

There were 12 class B bikes at Assen mate. So you're absolutelly totally fully wrong.

And yes, the B class is a perfect world.

:D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I do apologise. I was looking at the results which of course don't include Captain Clegg.

All the same, there weren't enough Class B bikes for your own grid were there :frog:

Opening up Class A to national licences would be the reason I won't enter next year. How many others would it cause NOT to enter the class, and would that be outweighed by the new riders attracted with a national licence?

I dunno, but needs considering cos by my way of thinking, opening up the class could easily result in lower numbers.

it was 13 at assen as kev M had to pull out aswell

I included him ;)

Actually you're wrong.

You're a representitive - that means you represent the views of the Class B riders, not make suggestions on what you think should happen.

You're not Class B Chief Executive, you need to find out what the 30+ riders want to do. If you can find 30+ riders to ask.

any way dom thats why we voted in skids to stick up for us and air view that would stand up for us

I think the results include Dom, it's Kevin Mooney who's missing I think he had a bike problem between timed practice and race...

http://www.ddracer.com/main/z_files/2006_RND3b.pdf

i dont think we should talk about this grid thing as we havent got the number we just going to have to lump it and race together. what we should be real on about here is the qualifying at oulton for us only to do 2 lap was not on and we should of been let back out. i mean when it rain about only 2 drops of rain they let the 600 have 2 goes at it why didnt they just go on the 2 lap they did

come on let moan about this instead

Sorry mate, that's not the official one...
So you're even wronger than wrong.

;)

Yes, you're right, it was unfair, but nasty old Domski was the one trying to get us all back out there. Oh well :rolleyes:

The official one didn't split the classes. Can you give me a link to the official one?

Neither did anyone else.

That's just what I did at about 3am one morning when I got back from Holland - so that everyone could see the results better.

Jeez, I'm so horrible.

:lol:

Sorry mate didn't scan the results.
But I was joking of course, I'm sure you got it ;)