for many the 2 race format is better, yes the tail enders of Class B may get lapped in Race 1 they could also be lapped in race 2 but with a break in between the two races they have a chance to do something about it.
Even I improved at Oulton in the second race after making a gearing change after the first race. When aarriving at Oulton for the first time in 8 years I had to guess at gearing and got it slightly wrong, changing gearing between races not only improved lap times but also the result.
For some one futher down the field that has no budget to go testing at tracks before race day what they learnin race 1 can give them a better chance in race 2. Yes if right at the back they may still get lapped but it could be later in the race and by less riders.
One race format may be all well and good at BSB or even MRO level but its not best suited to club level where Novices are meant to be learning how to race

Fair point Skids as usuall...

Anyone asked NE what their logic is behind the move yet ?

lol read the first post matey................

we all crash to much

Read it again... makes sense really...


I think the time has come for the RC and Reps to start asking around other clubs then lads.... you're quite clearly often unhappy with events at NE.

:lol:

but what other clubs have the room for the DD two classes,unless the were mixed with another class??

Very true mate.. very true indeed.... However... lets face it, the racers on the whole are not happy with how NE are playing ball...

Would at least be worth a try ?

The way i see it, even if DD gets enough from 2 grids, NE are still going to change the rules week by week...

If the racers can get enough sigs in place as 'definates' for next season for 2 grids, take that proposal to the other clubs, they may consider it...

Much as DP are full... they have a couple of grids undersubscribed, i think they may be tempted.... NGRRC, dunno.... BEMSEE, i doubt they'd play....

But it's worth an ask at least ?

i know the KTM lot are very ****ed of with new era

i know a few of the Powerbike lads are too....

for me it would have to be DP or NGRRC...CANT see Bemsee being any better then New era...
still dont think they will get two grids for next year!!!

would be a good idea to get enough sigs in place first......
they will need to accept its going to be a mix grid.or in with a diffance class!

I just want to race really but as a novice running at the back two race starts (I'm really suffering at the starts) seems a better bet. However one long race is not the end of the world as it enables me to get a rythm going and learn the track - the one frustrating aspect of a short race.

I know this don't help the big picture that much. I would go with a majority vote of what the DD riders want.

I'm not doing Donington, I WAS looking forward to it after sorting out a trackday and everything enabling me to get to know a track beforehand, but I'm not doing it with only 1 race.

I'll be at the Donington trackday on the 12th still, having FUN, and have booked a trackday at Cadwell on wednesday for £89 instead of the race on the 13th.

Shall see everyone on the 12th hopefully, might stop and watch for the 13th but I doubt it

More people that pull out Donington the better in my opinion, we'll get listened to if we're united in what we want. Not just the turn up and race anyway attitude as we'll carry on getting shafted

Skids, ever the voice of reason.
Is it too late to get this DD round moved elsewhere, where it isnt a superclub round?
Also, remember that under JP's new rules, if the red flags come out any time after half way (6 laps in this new scenario) then the race is over.
Long way, lots of money for a possible 6 laps.

If this does go ahead like they propose then be very afraid of everyone else in the race, if you are a faller needing a red flag out:eek: :p :lol:

So who does run the Desmo Due Series ? the DSC or New Era if its the later then thats not what I signed up for.

Franco if you get lapped on lap 6 in a long race you will spend the rest of the race looking for Blue flags, moving off line and looking over your shoulder, what is that going to teach any novice, and will be a bit scarey if its a wet race like last year. Given 2 races you have a second bite of the cherry where a better start and slightly quicker laps may result in you not getting lapped at all or if you do get lapped then its hopefully further into the race

Just for the record MRO is qualifying, superpole 10-12 laps on Saturday plus two 10-12 laps on a Sunday. or at least it was last year when I was doing it.

Kevin,

I see your point and to be honest would prefer two races (especially as i need to practice my starts). Thing is so far in the series my lap times get faster as the race goes on which is why i thought a long race might be worth a try. But yes my starts and my first couplle of laps are where I am suffering the most - so more starts a good thing!

so to recap its a 12 lapper with 15 mins qual so same time on track then:)

but only one set of points available rather than 2 sets

but as one combined grid

and only 40 starters allowed

so some people once again might be too late to enter & will get entry back as oversubscribed or even worse have to qualify to get on the grid to start with

not being negative but this is a big change from the club meetings we did last year

Well from a spectators' point of view (and we go to almost all the DD rounds), we would seriously reconsider travelling miles to watch what could turn out to be 1 six lap race. This series has gone from 4 races per meet to 2 mixed grids ( and I know that insufficient entry numbers have been sighted as the reason for this) and now possibly a single race that COULD last just 6 laps :mad:

This series started to give an opportunity for DSC members to progress from trackdays to racing and in my opinion has been a fantastic success, as non racing DSC members Sandra and I have supported it as much as possible, but I'm afraid this may well be the straw that breaks the camels back. I hope that the MTRC are able to resolve this and that the series and the riders get the exposure it and they deserve.

If nothing goes wrong for anyone that's what we get. If it does then nothing from the hole day. And a lot of standing around or all done buy 12 midday ? and one less start, the best bit.

I've still not sent my entry in yet. Do we know grid numbers confirmed yet.

:eureka:
Anyone want to volunteer to drive a pace car, then they wont have to use the red flag :biaggi:

A Pace car will not earn NE another 19k thou will it ................

Depends how they "sell" the concept and advetise it ;) I'll drive it :devil:

Well put Roy - have to agree with you there.

We must remember this has been done because of riders requesting it, obviously not us but other riders within new era. Whether there was a majority of riders suggesting it or just that the ones suggesting it had the loudest voice I don't know.
I'm not happy with it being a 12 lap race. I don't know about anyone else but on trackdays the tyres start to go off after a little more than normal race distance, I guess it's the same for all of us so maybe this isn't a worry ?

So before we start having a go at new era it has been done as a response to the riders wanting it !

Not at all happy about it. As novice riders, the more starts and time time to think about things between races the better! I've not had a good race 1 yet this season.
When we went to Donington a week or so ago, my brakes were decidedly lacking during the latter half of the 20 min session, so I reckon that those of us running with a single brake will suffer a lot. I dare say the front guys will suffer with tyres also. Not happy. Want to race at Donington really badly, don't like being messed about halfway through a season *grumpy*

just to quote from NE - as posted on the forum today:

"I understand what you are saying..........can I suggest that a representative of you guys contacts the club about this concern.

There has been nothing decided as of yet about this format being run at anymore of the meetings, so please don't worry too much and remember to give us some feedback after Donington"

so maybe they havent yet been contacted by the RC?:confused:

But if this does go ahead like this, we all go from a final 5 races down to 3:
1 per meeting to the end of the season:(

have also posted this on DD site,
if its too late to change it from one 12 lapper at Donny - cant we then have Snett revised and have the usual 2 std races there instead?

Rider reps - this was on the entry forms for Snett(even if it was a mistake) any chance that you could poss ask for this if it is a 'non-starter' to get Donny altered?

C :)

Road rubber going off after 12 laps ? come on... seriously... people have run 1 pair of tyres for a whole season before now.

Everyone does 12+ laps on trackdays more than 6 times in a day. I've run back to back sessions on the 916 with a mate and the rubber was fine and dandy.

I can accpet a lot of things, but tyres going off, well, i'm not having that one.

Although I am not running a DD bike I had a word with Jim Hinchcliffe of Derby Phoenix at Snetterton today, i know Jim of old as I used to race F400 with DP, He sees no problem in running DD with in DP, but is not sure he could give DD two seperate grids, but if someone from the DD organising body would like to contact him he is happy to talk about it.

Chris.:burn:

Sorry Steve but you'll have to swallow it. Lap 5 & 6 of almost every race see the back end sliding. It's not a matter that they go off, more that the top layer of rubber overheats while the carcass is still cold (a consequence of having no tyre warmers). The difference in temp causes the tyres to feel greasy and lose traction. What they'll be like over 12 laps of a hot donny I dread to think. There isn't a road tyre on the market that's designed to run at race pace for 25 mins at a track temp of 45 degs C, let alone the humble (but brilliant) Diablo.

As for you running back to back sessions on the 916, try carrying some cornerspeed once in a while and you'll soon see what we're on about.......

LOL...nice Ali...

However maybe this opens the can of worms of warmers then ?

I've never ridden on diablos and you could argue i've never lapped at the same pace as you... However, i see plenty of boys in series like R6 cup (Dunlops) of blokes in New Era powerbikes running on 'road' (SC and Racetecs in NE) lapping in many seconds quicker than you lads and lasses and not complaining about their tyres losing traction.

SPinning a tyre isn't necessarily a sign of it going off is it ? Surely there's a mix up in words here, as if the tyre had 'gone off' then it would not be used again in the next meeting... most people keep the rubber for more than 1 race don't they ?

Nice one Chris

Certainly worth approaching them

http://www.dpmcc.com/

Road Race Secretary
Jim Hinchliff
Tel/Fax 01623 636880
email jim.dpmcc@btinternet.com

You're being very naive if you think a Pirelli Diablo is comparable to a Racetec or a Dunlop 208 Qualifier (or whatever the R6's use?)

Touch wood, but I don't tend to have big slides, but I think that's more to do with my indivual riding style. I know that everyone I've spoken to, has mentioned lack of traction a lot (the faster riders at least).

Can I just add that a lot of you DD folk were adamant about Snetterton being a 20 lap race - s'funny how people change their minds innit - Donny is only a 12 lap race.

I'd like 2 races at EVERY meeting. Long races are of no interest to me - unless we have 2 of em ;)

Can the RC at least let us know that something is being done? I think it's a poor show that the MT (in general) seem to be completely ignoring everything on the forum. Is this a new MT policy?

:rolleyes:

at oulton the back was swinging around at me at oulton after a 20 min sesion at the track day on the 4th but i think that down to the way i ride the bike

just been looking at DP web site they run less races than new era at a race meeting so we could be in there. any way see how donington goes and what the MT have to say

when are the MT talking to new era

nice one mate!

Derby phoenix are a really good and friendly club....and jim will alway try his best to help you out,well he did for me when i race with them!!

Cheers Kev, when speaking to Jim yesterday he mentioned that NE is run as a business, wages to pay etc,etc, DP is not, so spare cash is chaneled back into the club, for instance this years fees are the same as last years , although the club had to pay higher circuit fees for each meeting, the fees to riders did not go up, but where subsidised by spare cash from the club, now that is the way it should be done, but it is down to DD organisers to sort out, but I do recomend they do sooner than later.

Another good point to come from the two day DP meeting at snetterton was that due to not needing practices on the sunday all 1st races went to 10 laps & all second races went to 12 laps, well worth the entrance fees, also they ran a scratch race at the end of the meeting, open to any bikes, £10 (100% of the £10 went to the riders Ben fund) first 40 to the assembly area raced, thats what you call good organisation.


Chris:burn: