DD is cheap RACING - I have to pay 1000 - 1200 for a 5 speed close ratio cluster for my classics, and thats only the gears and shafts.
My classic tyres costs 120 -130 EACH.
I have to get squish pistons made specially at up to 150 each !
A bare race frame and swinging arm costs 1200
(I hope Sue doesnt see this :o )

...and Ali ;)

Also, the birthday boy beat me on Saturday, not that I'm being picky :lol:


Forget who? ;)

I can accept a rider putting a protest up if they think someone is cheating, I asked Antony this when he put it up and I am happy for someone to do that if they believe strong enough.
I don't like and fail to understand a group of people getting together and putting the money up between them. If any one of those people had any belief in their thoughts they would have put the money up themselves. As it was they had no belief in their thoughts so took the cowards way out, if you believe strongly in something you don't hide behind others and you really should have the balls to stand up and be counted. At least Antony has had the balls to stand up, the rest of them are pathetic.
if the idea was to make an example of the most dominant rider then in my honest opinion you got the wrong man because there is another champion who dominated his class like no other.
For me this was an attack on one rider simple as that.

Phil you are missing the point, go polish your cup:D)

I disagree. I think Phil should retire at the top :lol:

:D

DD is not just CHEAP racing.....there are bikes out there that have had well over 5k spent on them......and there are rounds which have cost people well over 500 quid to enter........racing is not cheap...dd is not cheap....but it is one of the most cost effective ways to go racing.............

cheap....i laugh at that

Well said Tony - I always liked you ;)

...and your mother is a hamster!!

:lol:

well said, totally agree.

its not the protest per se, its the manner of it.

if i thought someone was running an illegal bike and i was bothered enough by it then i would say so, put in a protest and hold my hand up afterwards if i was wrong.

ANY involement from the RC should be totally dismissed. if i understand the prcess correctly, it has absolutely nothing to do with them.

on another note.

the trophies issue has again been a joke.

i will offer my services for next season to take the trophies to each round, or make sure they get there if i cant make it and arrange a time for the presentation of said items at each round.

its obviously an area that needs some help.

I've made a small fortune racing.........






but i started out with a large one!:sniff:

It happens at all levels of racing. It's a fact of life - get used to it. Some rumours are true - the vast majority aren't. There is only one way to stop the rumours - enter a protest. The ability to protest a competitior's bike is enshrined within ACU regs - YOU all sign up to this when you get an ACU licence - you acknowledge that at any time anyone's bike may be protested. It's rarely done of course because few people have the bottle to do it in case they are proved wrong.

You have no reason to complain about this - the manner in which it may have been done may be somewhat dubious but, you cannot complain that someone's bike has been protested.

I really don't understand why the trophies weren't there? It can't be hard, there were enough DSC officials that between them, one could have fetched the trophies.
It made for a rubbish end to the day, waiting for our results while Chass's bike was stripped, everyone wondering what's going on then no trophy giving to get us all together after the confusion either.

I support Dickie in his kind offer...!!......a meet at his marque or pit with guest rider if any.!...or with appropriatte presenter.!

good work Dickie.

The trophies wern't there because they had no intentions of presenting them, I wonder why.

Trophies get presented when the racing is finished- simple.

Clown :lol:

Yes, but you need to have them at the circuit to be able to present them.

Chris Bushell managed to forget them - again!

Easily done though eh?! :confused:

Maybe I've misunderstood - I was thinking end of season championship trophies. Doh! :(

Shame everyone else had to go home empty handed after their efforts just because one rider was protested. Ho-hum

How very black and white!

I see no valid reson for a protest in this case, and no substance to any rumours (if there actually were any). A protest is not the only way to stop rumours, the best way to stop unsubstantiated rumour is to ignore it.
In this case, it would appear that the protest was constructed in retaliation to a rider very strongly voicing their opinion recently. All it's achieved was to put OTHER PEOPLE to much unnecessary grief and expense, cause unrelated riders to miss races and sink the series to it's lowest point. The action was very short sighted, and the ACU rules were just used as an excuse to do it.

There's a difference between using the rules and abusing them.

The reason is valid if the rumour is proved true. If you don't like the system then petition the ACU to change it.

The rules are black & white - they have to be otherwise we'd all be arguing over their application everytime the rulebook was exercised. It's the Clerk of the Course who ultimately decides if a bike can be protested - no-one else.

The C-o-C would normally listen to input from various people before deciding a protest can go ahead - I've never known this to happen on the basis of just one or two complaints. C-o-C's are normally pretty sensible and will weigh up the balance of evidence before allowing a protest to proceed.

He obviously felt that there was a valid reason - you should take up the issue with him instead of complaining here.

The C-o-C told me that a protest had gone in with the backing of the race committee.

So that would have convinced him I'm sure.

Even before they started stripping our bike I was told by another high up NE official that they have other circuit based equipment (speed related) and in his opinion my bike was no faster than anyone else's - but the strip had to go ahead!

Myself and Chass have no problem with a genuine protest, but I am still of the opinion that it was a personal issue with the RC - until proven otherwise.

It's also incredibly cowardly of the protest 'sponsors' to hide away and let Antony take all the flack. Just shows what a bunch of spineless morons they are - whoever they may be!

Then it would seem to me that the C-o-C may have allowed himself to be cajoled. In my experience, given the seriouslness of stripping a competitor's bike, normally a C-o-C will be very reluctant to allow a protest to go ahead without consulting numerous people including the chief scrut - the latter often giving the bike a close look over himself.

In any case, it is clear from Ant's post that there were quite a few rumours so, I think riders should be taking a look at themselves because that is where a protest comes from...fellow competitors. Not bystanders.

edit: This won't go down well but, it's true - if Ant protested on behalf of others then he is a fool. You set yourself up doing that.

you are so right tim. my opinion too

I have been on about a procedure since last season when a couple of bikes we know now were not running 'legally' were on the grid - the DLS ones which are both out this year without their illegal components (I stand to be corrected if wrong tho)
yesterday just showed up the petty mindedness of 3 bigoted people (not antony, who was merely a pawn thinking he was doing the best for the club) to use their power to wield such a nasty suprise, one of whom wasnt even at the meeting - you know who you are.

I quite agree with any bikes being stripped, but for the right reasons, and this instance was not one of those IMHO.

When I helped out Chass by stripping his bike for him it didnt take me long to see that the bike had never been majorly stripped down, other than normal belts and plugs as you would expect to find.


spot on



again, so right.

you helped us out this week with the petty politics so we could have both and not just one bike on the grid.
thanks mate

dont go - but if you do - I want to know where you will be racing as we will come too, as we both feel as you do:alien:

I turn my back for 5mins and look what happens. All very sad indeed :(

Now will someone kindly put the results up please

PS If Chas/Dom bike is the fastest legal bike out there, can I have first refusal on it please.:)

Lads, this has made interesting reading, what is pleasing though and it shines through here,that most of the DD riders have a great deal of respect and tolerance of each other that I commend. I hope that by talking, as you have done on this board and no one has made an attempt at slacking or "loosing it" Mistakes have been made and trust maybe lost, I think in the future people should be more careful what there say and how they say it. We all have I own lifes to led, we all have our problems to bear maybe we could all go to Cadwell , have another Hog Roast. We'll all put a name in a hat and the winner will be lunch , just an idea. 4D

what a good idea:)

Plans are afoot already Pete ;)

'cept we're looking at an indian alternative - and I don't mean transferring your phone calls :D

More to follow :)

make me an offer
 

Make me an offer, do you want it in kit form or rebuilt.

No Chas ..
 

... enter it in the Modified Ducati's Competition ... oh sorry, you can't can you?!?

It is modified the acu made sure of that.