IF you read the origonal post it names the peple responsible I have proof.

Rich you should be aware that some time ago a comment was passed on this board about someone runing 800 camshafts...I can't remember who said it and it was in jest..it might even have been Dom - so, my point is that it's quite easy to see how the question of 800 cams would crop up.

Secondly - as you are undoubtedly aware - Dom was pulled up for running a SuperCorsa at some stage (Snetterton I belive).

It's against such a background that it doesn't take a genius to see how people can draw conclusions no matter how erroneous they are.

Be a bit clearer Dom - do you seriously believe you were being got at for voicing an opinion and that having the bike protested & stripped was a consequence of that opinion? What was the opinion you voiced?

Anthony
 

... you have decided to be the fall guy here, I don't know why you are protecting your 'sponsors' however it does you little credit, because until you disclose their names then people will continue to guess and that can't be healthy for the club or the series. Time to put the record straight.

Hasnt he already said he was 'encouraged' by the race committee ?

OK, how about this...

Jeez, how lucky was it that I was running a light flywheel ;)

Anyone gunna protest that one? Just in case like.

:lol:


Diablo Corsa actually... as a result of seeing them on other bikes at previous rounds.

Although I lost my points.

What happened when Geoff Spencer ran a 680 big bore kit at Cadwell (and everyone knew before the race started!) and won both races? I believe he kept his points and even had his bike made legal - paid for by Ducati UK - according to Baines themselves (as I was told by another reputable DD rider who spoke to Baines afterwards).


The simple fact is Nige, that I pi$$ed PJ off. Nothing else.

Everything that happened on the day and in the build up to the meeting proves this. Things were said on the day that also back all this up. Anything else is pure conjecture.

Those are the facts!

He also said there were plenty of rumours floating around. It takes more than a race committee to be responsible for that. Those sort of rumours come from other riders or those involved with them.

I entirely believe that to be the case.


Have you been away recently?

:confused:

But that is exactly how rumours start Dom. That is the point I am making although coming from you.... ;)



It doesn't matter what tyre it was - only that it wasn't permitted. Sure you did your time but, again the point I make is that people will draw conclusions from those episodes so, in context, it become easy and obvious how you may be accused of cheating.


That's a rumour. It is not substantiated. You need material evidence. Material evidence is precisely why the bike was stripped.




If that is the case then it's a poor show indeed. If, however, your bike was stripped because there was good reason to believe you were cheating then it's understandable.

Here's a bit of rational thought for the lynch mob. Now please read what I say properly before jumping on a bandwagon - I am an impartial observer with no axe to grind.

1. Dom has previously infringed the rules & should have known better - known fact.
2. Dom is doing much better than last year when he was nowhere - known fact
3. Dom is winning the championship - known fact
4. Dom has made comments about 800 camshaft (we'll assume it's a known fact - winging it but stay with me on this)
5. Rumours circulating in the paddock re. cheating going on - known fact

The point I am making is that it's an easy and understandable conclusion to come to that Dom might be cheating.

It's a crying shame that someone might use this sort of situation to their advantage with an alternative personal agenda motivating them - nonetheless it is easy to see how rumours of cheating can exist.

I have been watching clubmans races since I was 0 yrs old and can see a good rider over another.

You, Dom, are awesome and when you went passed me on the 'superpole' qualifying at Oulton, I followed for as long as I could and could see how well you ride the bike and it gave me some tips how to ride these things.

Well done mate, your the series winner, dont forget. And well done to Phil too! It seems the celebrations need more emphasis!!! These guys have worked damn hard!

Our swimming club won Sat night before and we had cheers, group photos and presentations....

Andy

If that is the case - you being got at - then action should be taken. Proving it to be the case might be a bit difficult.

Well I know you're a gob****e but, I am not aware of anything you have said here that is contentious enough or bad enough to give cause for you to be singled out for special treatment...which is why I ask for it to be clarified.

Is that an axe grinder I can see behind you?

:D


It's also a known fact that I had a slow bike last year, and my previous form (albeit a few year ago) proves that I am a good racer - or was - and now am again :)


Yes I did :D


I've said rude things about the RC too, but nobody has protested - what's your point ;)


Not judging by what's been said on here - and in the paddock, but I can see how you're thinking what you're thinking. You're being sensible again aren't you!


Uh huh :rolleyes:

Thanks Andy, not sure I'm quite that good though ;)

Do you know who won the second Class B race at the weekend? I think it was the same bloke who smashed the lap record by 3 seconds!!

Well done to you too ;)

Bl%dy ringers :lol:

Are you insulting me again. :o


Seriously though, with all the feathers flying it is very easy to lose sight of things and rational thought goes out of the window. All I am trying to do is present an alternative view of things.

Thanks Dom, maybe nice to have something to show for it tho???

Andy

Yeah, sorry for being protested and that :rolleyes:

Scroll down to Lap & Race Records ;)

Dom, just to set one record straight. Geof Spencers bike was legal at 670-the rule was changed later. We were advised by a Ducati expert that there were no big bore 620 kits available and none were likely to become available until this year-didn't stop the Baines brothers from making their own though did it......... Geof offered to reduce the capacity of his bike back to standard if we could come up with some barrels for him, a lot of favours were called in and barrels obtained.
The bottom line is he wasn't cheating so kept his points, you weren't cheating(as I stated earlier having watched on Saturday I never believed you were) and have kept your points and won the championship-so once again well done and well ridden. As I think I said to you at the end of last year it's about time your class showed-well you have shown it all year.

John

Any idea why his bike had hi-comp pistons in then when it was sold?

The difference is, everyone now knows that I didn't have to cheat or spend £000's on my engine to win DD - where as we can only take your word for it that Geoff's bike was legal.

Fact and fiction.

so where do I stand then............as Geoffs 2005 winning bike is in DD circulation still..............................!

And i know its no faster than Tims, couchies, erics or even woods 620ss...........as we had some ding dongs on the trackday.................!!...................and i have ridden 3 620's now....

but there are doubters still it seems.?

Phil

Tony had standard pistons put back in.

Just don't pi$$ the RC off and you'll be fine ;)

unless i strip it how do i know.?........thats the point innit.!!...........with all this doubt im reluctant to ride in the 620 class if im honest.......or have we decided that when you win now its cos you have ridden a better race.!>?.

?

Fil...nothing to worry about with that one now, SPR stripped and rebuilt it with the regs in their hands. Any doubts, give them a shout :)

I won't be protesting you mate.

If you win it's coz you're faster.

The guys you race against will soon know if anyone is cheating or not. Not sure how Antony knew how fast Chass's bike was from so far back, but there you go. At least it wasn't all based on rumour!! ;)

Doubters, doubters, doubters,

Let them get in the ring and play, ignore the fuggers....

I've got his 2006 bike and your right, your isn't faster than mine, nanananana.

LOL.

maybe not but to finish first, first you got to finish........................oooh.....

LOL...

ps......ATTENTION DOUBTERS....Woods 2006 bike from geoff got 6bhp more than mine so go protest woodsy..he got the fastest 583 and now the fastest 620......

" protest woodsy protest woodsy "

LOL

Protest me and I'll have you off....LOL

Even more powerfull into a headwind with Ramalamalamlamlam air....

800 camshaft? Wow, thet's 200 per valve!

A few observations if I may.

If a bike was considered to be of a significant power advantage over others, then a quick run on the dyno would prove this satisfactorily, one way or another.

The need for the organisers to sponsor a rider to protest, suggests they have a genuine reason to force this issue. It may be to stop the paddock rumours, but it may also be a personal issue with somebody who is clearly a better 'racer' than most of the rest of the field and on a well prepared bike? If their motive is purely to prove what a 'fair' series this is, they have ben a little misguided in their actions.

Could this be that they [the organisers] felt this action would lead to a refusal of the owner of the championship winning bike, to strip his engine for inspection, thereby leading to a disqualification by default? If so, they have been left with egg on their faces. Again, a dyno run would have done an equally good job of proving the bike legitimacy, without the disruptions and poor press the series could clearly do without.

Congratulations to Phil and Dom on your champioships.

Can I just have your engine instead?

I'll do you a swap with mine. It's just been prepared for a tune up ;)

Thanks Furio ;)

I bet that ramamamamamalam air also doubles up as a great grass blower.?

LOL

Thats actually a good idea.....parc ferme the bikes and get them all dyno'd any that stand out surely would have to had some illegal bits added .?....we all have a pretty good idea what is acheivable legally in both 583 and 620.....!!!

hmmm food for thought.......

and thanks for the congrats....

Phil

Did I not see the hairnets being dyno'd en mas at Donnington?

good in thery but they would need a mobile dyno at every meeting

Dyno run
 

Sorry boys and girls I can't see as a dyno would prove or disprove the bike has an advantage,(naughty parts etc) anyone who knows their onions knows that some engines are up on BHP str8 from the factory!
Early 98 R1's were as much as 6 HP across the board!!!!
As an on looker
A. I dont think Antony would be the sort of guy to throw a spanner in the works !
he has done loadsa stuff for this club.

chass I think that the best resolve should be !

The rule should be, If we strip it and find nowt !
then,they THE MANAGMENT pay for the rebuild !
just my 10 p worth

Yes and CB500's too, but they're New Era championships ;)

Yes, I did see a bunch of Hornets being Dyno'd at Donington.


Perhaps not every meeting. If rumours had been circulating since mid-season, why not take advantage of the Dyno at Donington, rather than wait until Snett where deconstruction is required instead?

I guess it's a rhetorical question.........

I don't think you're far wrong Mav.

It costs a bit more than £250 to put a Ducati engine back together, and why the hell should Chass have to cover that? (or anyone else who's stripped).

If a bike is found to be legal, then the protester should have to cover the full rebuild costs.

...and it doesn't require an answer either ;)

:lol:

Is the dyno finally back....the CB boys have wanted it back for ages. It used to be at pretty much every round and they would randomly select bikes to go on it, I know I was on the dyno twice in my first year, both showing the same 49bhp reading. It's not fail-safe as I've heard of all sorts of ways to get around it with different looms/kill switch/lights switch combos making the bikes run differently, but it's a start. Surely just asking New Era if you can use it and agreeing a deal.

WeeJohnyB

Mav's answer
 

I have a brand new Baseball bat !
can i be the Adjudicator???????