agree on both those counts dom.........

I bet theres more DSC..ers do track days than race in this series. Why cant that money be put towards an even cheaper club track day? :rolleyes:

"I also get the impression that some members think that DD is laid on for us for free, and they get the hump coz some of us complain sometimes. Perhaps something can be published to clear that up? It's cost me over £3500 (of Domski money) this season and I've not had to buy a bike AND I have good sponsorship too! Some people have spent £10,000+

This isn't a DSC jolly."

You are right Dom-it isn't a jolly it's racing, and would have cost you the same whatever class you were racing in. By the same token the DD series has since it started cost me loads of money-for a start it cost's me £50 in diesel every time I go to any of the tracks apart from Snett (which is nearer). You at least get the joy(?) of racing-I'm not sure what 'personal gain' I or any of the other people who have helped run this series from the start are supposed to have made??

John

Gets a bit "samey" when it happens too often tho Lin ;)

[quote=psychlist][quote=phoenix n max]I suggest Nick wears a dress for the entire Cadwell Meeting when not on the track :D

Yeah but I've always missed it :(

For what?

the DUK truck..........................

There were about £1000 in set up costs initially IIRC, the figure was in the accounts presented at the last AGM and posted out to all member afterwards, not a lot in to get things off the ground IMHO.

Ongoing costs are covered by the registration fee???

Not everything boils down to ££££, the biggest wallet shouldn't prevail at this level, Money doesn't talk unless you are Bernie E.

The series was set up to be a two way thing, the club got a new facet for the members, be they racers, spectators, etc, the racers/competitors got a reasonably cheap way to move onwards and upwards from track days.

The governance of the series needs a link to club and or MT to ensure that is not lost sight of.


Ray.

Where was that then?

You've misunderstood my point I think John.

What I am saying is...

Some DSC members appear to be under the impression that DD is free.

Brands last year.....was it the only cost the DSC funded for the DD.?

Am I not writing in English today?? :confused:

My (rhetorical) question about how much clubs funds were spent on DD, was just to illustrate that not very much club money has been spent on DD - which is a very good thing!

I'm trying to make the point that the riders/teams are the ones spending the money (as we should be) and that DD is not free (see other post) or subsidised by the club.

Some people think it is (or appear to).

DD is a great series, it's a DSC series, it's open to all the members, but only taken advantage of by a few. Those few, spend a fortune to take part and put on a great event that the club should (and are) proud of.

That said, I think decisions affecting DD riders need to be handled very carefully and not passed out to the general membership to decide.

One other small point...

It is my opinion that some aspects of the DD series have been handled in a such a way to promote the DSC and not for the benefit of the riders.

I think that whoever is looking after DD in 2007 needs to remember that they are acting on behalf of the riders firstly (like a union rep), followed very closely by the benefits to the general club etc.

If riders lose confidence and continue to drop out, then we're left with nothing.

Just a thought, not a poke. It may not even be an issue. Just wanted to raise it. I think it's a valid point.

:)

In the interest of not wanting to appear to have a hidden agenda or be part of any clique I have removed the "Vote for...." comment. This was merely an attempt to be witty.

We were told that no club funds were used on Desmo Due. Then at the AGM in the accounts was an item listed as desmo due, I can't remember the cost. I queried this to be told that the money was spent on getting the series sponsor, Ducati UK, to bring their truck to the Brands Hatch round in Sept.

That's all that I'm aware of.

John - I'm not sure I understood your point.

If you don't (didn't) gain anything from running the series, then why would you do it? Perhaps you thought you would, but haven't? Perhaps its a charitable act?

What "personal gain" do you seek from any of your DSC activities? What have you gained from running the trackdays?

Tim

nicely put dom and i agree

philanthropy.

We made a choice to race in dd as you made a choice to be on the MT/RC...50 quid lol small change.!

Who are you calling a stamp collector? :lol:

That is right Tony, the cost attached was the truck at the Brands Hatch round. As I was involved with making the decision to bring that truck to Brands I can tell you what my thoughts on it were at the time: The plan was that a lot of Ducati dealers would get their known customers together, arrange a ride in, have special parking next to the truck and we had the opportunity of using the truck to gain new members, - in reality it was part marketing exercise to get new members, - so perhaps the cost could have been spread into a marketing section on our books, but I am not sure that we have a marketing budget! In reality the dealer take up was disappointing, - with DLS/DLC raising most interest with their ride in. It was also a good opportunity for a number of people who were thinking about joining for 2006 to come along and meet the club and see what it is all about. It could have been used by riders as a focal point for their existing sponsors and potential sponsors. Looking back I do not think anybody used it to its full potential but we live and learn. It did keep us dry on the Saturday night when the storm came in!

Last year, exactly.
The way it was mentioned appeared to be suggesting September this year?

Oh behave people! I think Dougski was attempting humour.

Thanks Nick

Didn't really work though did it?

Not today mate ;)

If it's any consolation, I got knew what you meant ;)

Just thought it best to not say anything :rolleyes:

:cool:

Because everyone can pick out humour and nuance etc through one line of text devoid of emotion ... :rolleyes:

If no club funds were ever used - what is the '£1025 - Cost of DesmoDue' quoted in the 2005 Financial Review, by David B Burnie, 14/02/06 - viewable on the Members Area?

I don't have a problem as such - but let's not forget that the ordinary DSC members have contributed to your series.

I have no idea dude............as far as i was concerned no club funds were used other than the explaine DUK truck.........

interested to hear how the "ordinary" DSC members contribute.?....this is not a dig !! its a genuine question to you as a dsc member who does not race in DD.?

please dont think for a second that i dont think they do....!!

Sure, thanks Ian.

I wasn't commenting on the reasons behind the decision, only the facts as they had been explained to me.

:)

Folks,

I gave the treasurers presentation at the AGM this year and whilst I dont have the details to hand at the moment, from memory not only diid we contribute towards the Ducati Truck at Bands, we had to provide racers with stickers for the series, we incurred costs for end of year trophies, etc.

All of this was passed by the auditor and the AGM.

So yes the full membership did contribute to DD in the 1st year, just as the Club will be providing some of the trophies for this year at the Dinner Dance.

Overall Desmo Due is a small cost item to the Club, there is no income stream attached to it, unless we were to levy an entry fee of some sort from each rider.

Chris

I don't consciously contribute in any way shape or form, but - if the MT spends money from club funds, then I do by default. I have the choice to leave the club if I don't like the way the MT spends the money.

Luckily, as I've said on numerous occasions - I'm more than happy with the way the club is run, with how my £20 is spent etc. and I'm not complaining, but if it is still a DSC series, with DSC funding, then surely the views of DSC members need to be heard.

that is the truck ( I think, - well it must be as that was the only cost), spend was 2005 shown in 2006 at the 2005 AGM which takes place in 2006!!

BUT we should not be getting into a divide over this IMO. It is not "your" series; it is "our" series. As I said above the cost of the truck was put down as DD, - but as Chair I saw it as an opportunity for the wider club, - there really should be no them and us. This is a club activity, all members are given a chance to take part either as a rider or a spectator, - (and as a mere spectator the series last year gave myself and family a lot of entertainment). This club was started as a way of bringing people together that have an interest in the many areas of Ducati ownership, - not so as to divide people into trackday-ers, rideout-ers, desmoDue-ers and SwissBank-ers.

Here's my take on the DD expense thing:

Assuming there IS a DD expenditaure in club funds...
The ordinary members (is there any other kind?) do contribute a part of their membership fee to DD. But that's just in the same way as every member contributes to every other expenditure, whether they make use of the benefits of the purchase or not.
I pay my £20 a year and leave it up to the MT do do what they feel best with that money - it's not for me to say others can't enjoy a service just because I don't want to. If I weren't happy to have part of my membership fee spent on a particular activity then I'd either keep my money or raise my concern at the agm.

Make sense?

yup ...

Lets not make a mountain out of a molehill again.

Apologies for being the person to point this out but Ian and Chris have just contradicted each other. Chris, you explained that DUK provided the trophies so what trophies did the club pay for?

As I said at the AGM, and have reiterated since, the money spent on bringing the DUK truck to Brands last year was a potential boon for the club and I'm in favour of spending money in a marketing capacity for the club - not just for DD as a whole but for the wider membership. The issue was the fact that we were told that no club funds were spent on DD only to find the item in the accounts attributed to DD.

That's my take anyway.

I think he means dinner dance trophies, and there were race shirts for the "Does your boss know" awards. :-)

This is the bit that I don't recall, and it seems that Ian wasn't aware of this either by his post above. Sorry Ian, I don't mean to pick on you or the decision I'm just trying to point out what appears to be a lack of clarity/communications on this.

When I asked the question at the AGM Chris you told me that the money in the accounts attributed to DD was for the DUK truck - nothing else. You didn't mention the stickers etc and I recall being told by either yourself or Monty at the start of last season that all the stickers were supplied by the sponsors themselves - why would we pay sponsors to ride with their stickers?!

Sure does Nick.

Benefits of the DSC are down to the individual to use or not, as is the decision to be a member or not.

I enjoy the benefit of the DSC putting on a race series for me to participate in.

IMHO, there is no cost to become involved in the DD series that is levied by the DSC, you pay your money and enjoy the ride.

On balance I'd like to think everyone gets a pretty good deal, DSC, DUK, DD racers, New Era etc...

Some chunks of wisdom in this thread....

The DD trophies handed out I can understand being attributed to DD. But not the posting etc awards, they should have been allocated to something other than the race series.

But that's a minor accounting issue. I guess the major point is not necessarily that the money has been spent. It's that people aren't aware of where their money is being spent and take issue with being told that money isn't being spent on something only to find it in the accounts later.

But hey, I've done this to death and I'm not trying to wake a slumbering beast.

But you've hit the nail on the head - I'm happy with the way my £20 is spent, but I don't expect to find people saying that I shouldn't have an opinion (if I wanted one) on a race series organised by the club because none of the money i contribute is being spent on it - when plainly it is.