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beancounter 08-Nov-2006 14:02

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Originally Posted by Martin Ducati Glasgow
Well what can I say?

The bike in MCN (if indeed it is the final version, I honestly don't know) is absolutely stunning.

To me this bike has addressed exactly what a huge number of customers have been asking for in spectacular style.

If you ingore the styling for a few moments, the power and performance figures are absolutely fantastic. I have also been told direct from the factory that the torque and power delivery from the new engine is truly jaw-dropping.

As to the styling, in my opinion, the bike pictured is a direct evolution of the iconic 916 style. The pictures in MCN are far more revealing in terms of angles and objective than anything we have been able to see so far.
If you take a picture of a 916 and put it next to the 1098 (as I have done for some time this morning) you can see the obvious transition from one design to the next.

I have also seen some suggestions that it is too Japanese. I can see how some may feel that considering the 999 was so unique. BUT if you cast your mind back to bikes of the mid 90s, slab sided with either round or square lights the "fox eyes" of the 916 were a very new approach and arguably some other manufacturers followed suit and developed them until what they are now. To me the 1098 is an evolution of that design. And it is VERY Ducati, those headlights are straight off of the Desmosedici - a lineage and relationship very few bikes will ever be able to hail as having.

The 999 is an awesome machine, both to look at and ride but we are all aware it hasn't quite stolen the hearts of the mass buying public. The factory have obviously been aware of that and have resolved those issues. If you read back to any of the original (or even latest) criticisms of the 999, every one has been addressed in this new design, bar none.

I'm really excited about this design, it's stunning from every angle. In the same breath i'm really sorry to see the 999 go as it is beautiful in its own right. I'm glad to know there are still fans of that design as it will help residuals and support that bike for many years to come.

Irrespective of the gorgeous looks, the power of a 1000cc inline 4, with the torque of a twin and the handling of a Ducati - I mean what else can we wish for?

Just my opinion


Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Seldom have I read such cobblers on this message board!

I hope it at least earns you a few brownie points from Ducati UK.

Martin Ducati Glasgow 08-Nov-2006 16:29

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Originally Posted by Twinfan
They'll be the lights Ducati nicked from the Honda NR750 then?



I'd wait for proven weight and power figures and a review of the handling before I'd be that bold. The critics also reckon the 999 wasn't as iconic or beautiful as the 916. The 1098 is worse on that score - it won't be as iconic as it doesn't tread new ground and I'd say it was a fair bit uglier than a 916...


On your first point, I know Honda did it too. But the styling was better on the Ducati (personal opinion of course). All I said was that it was new approach, not specifically Ducati's new approach!:p However they did "rubber stamp" the look as such. After all they used it for nearly a decade. How long in comparison did the 'onda last?

On your second point, you're right, I should have clarified that statement. I was referring to looks only. BUT suffice to say after speaking to the factory directly - power, weight and especially torque will keep us all grinning.:)


Quote:

Originally Posted by beancounter
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Seldom have I read such cobblers on this message board!

I hope it at least earns you a few brownie points from Ducati UK.



Ahh, completely destructive and dismissive crticism - in your expert opinion!:)

As I said, just my opinion. In my position I have ridden all the Ducs you could shake a stick at and honestly love most of them. I'm just a big Duc fan! (surprisingly!!:) )

As a lot of folks know on this board I have a 749R at the mo' (after a string of other 74* and 99*'s) and have held onto that for the last three seasons because it's fantastic but on seeing the 1098 in MCN (the pics on the net are nowhere near as good or as clear) i'm thrilled to bits.

So cobblers? No.

I've heard all too often, opposition on the showroom floor from people about the looks of the 999 and how it should be more like the 916. Well thats what we've got. I thought I would back that up with my thoughts.

Mart

beancounter 08-Nov-2006 16:35

I'm sorry, I just haven't got the energy to be constructive today.

Destructive and dismissive was all I could manage!

And (as a long term BUYER of Ducatis, both new and "pre-owned") - my opinion is just as expert as anyone else's.

749er 08-Nov-2006 16:39

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Originally Posted by VanDaMauler
And the shoe box end can on a 999 looks nice???

Well its certainly got us all debating...:lol:



the end can of the 999 was shaped in a wind tunnel.

beancounter 08-Nov-2006 16:42

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Originally Posted by 749er
the end can of the 999 was shaped in a wind tunnel.


Gasp.

Gaz 748 08-Nov-2006 16:42

I like it..............Big time..............:D :D

In the showrooms in "a couple of weeks " :D

1098 = £12,000

1098S = £14,000

Martin Ducati Glasgow 08-Nov-2006 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by beancounter
I'm sorry, I just haven't got the energy to be constructive today.

Destructive and dismissive was all I could manage!


;) Fair 'nough mate - I have days like that too!!:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by beancounter
And (as a long term BUYER of Ducatis, both new and "pre-owned") - my opinion is just as expert as anyone else's.


Perhaps - i'm simply trying to offer is a view from someone who has dealt with literally thousand of queries, questions, complaints and praise for the whole of the Ducati legacy and as a long term buyer myself I can associate with the rest of the buying public, albeit from a different point of view.

Take it for what it is mate, i'm only trying to help. :)

749er 08-Nov-2006 16:47

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Originally Posted by beancounter
Gasp.


I take it you did not know that then?

749er 08-Nov-2006 16:48

I had a look at the pictures in MCN today and it looks better there than the pictures on this thread, they give a better idea of the look from the back. I look forward to seeing it in the metal

pedro 08-Nov-2006 17:16

once we have all calmed down with these masive power figures & styling bits etc etc,ducati say the have gave us what we want? i remember reading "most" ducati (& non ducati owners) wanted a bike thats cheaper to service?

749er 08-Nov-2006 17:20

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Originally Posted by beancounter
Could not agree with you more Van.

All complete dogs (with fleas).


you dont seem to like the 1098 either?

http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/sh...t=38550&page=3

So what do you like?

Apart from being negative/critical/dismissive/rude

Glyn 08-Nov-2006 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by 749er
you dont seem to like the 1098 either?

http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/sh...t=38550&page=3

So what do you like?

Apart from being negative/critical/dismissive/rude


i think some people find it very hard to accept that others can have a differnt opinion
why they then feel the need to p1$$ over other peoples hard earned dreams
is quite beyond me
maybe it's a lack of cuddles at home??:lol:

desmobob 08-Nov-2006 19:35

Can I have it in beige?
 
It certainly makes the Desmosedici RR look amazing, perhaps that's the idea. P.s. I'm hugging the toaster.

Glyn 08-Nov-2006 19:40

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Originally Posted by Dseered
Don't y'all worry, there will be a 749/999 bodykit for it soon ;)


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gaz 748 08-Nov-2006 20:26

What`s with the big weld on the swinging arm ?

749er 08-Nov-2006 20:28

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Originally Posted by Gaz 748
What`s with the big weld on the swinging arm ?

dunno Gazzi

I loved the cast one on the 749/999, but then I just love the whole idea of castings, beautiful way of manufacturing

Gaz 748 08-Nov-2006 20:36

Could be FOUR bikes soon then. :lol: :lol:

749er 08-Nov-2006 22:07

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Originally Posted by Gaz 748
Could be FOUR bikes soon then. :lol: :lol:


well the 1098 has a die cast swing arm..............so much more refined than these extruded/welded jobs...but seriously this bike would be too much for me, am not a good enough rider

madmav 08-Nov-2006 23:38

get real
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pedro
ducati say the have gave us what we want? i remember reading "most" ducati (& non ducati owners) wanted a bike thats cheaper to service?



they sure Did,,

In the showrooms in "a couple of weeks "

1098 = £12,000

1098S = £14,000



"Keep it real"


I have actually rode a bike with 176 BHP and You cant keep the furkin thing pointing in a str8 line!!!!
and when you do it just leaves long black lines down the middle of the road!!!

really enjoyable to ride on the road, My ar55e!


"power is nothing without control" hope the new Duke puts it all down on the tarmac propper! cause if it dont your gonna be on ya ass!!




ps my missus looks like kate Moss when I'm pi55ed and squinting !!
The 916 is iconic and will never be replaced
Like the 92 Fireblade it was a bench mark !


cant be replaced and never will look as good , thats what has made it what it is !!


Jmo

mav

Pooh 09-Nov-2006 00:04

Only just a Monster owner but aint the bike just a 999 with a single sider and a different fairing Ducati have totally lost their way on this, as one who has always dreamt of owning a 999 but due to physical limitations has not been able to have one I feel that the forward thinking of the 999 has been destroyed by the die in the wood 916 brigade who would still have us wearing flares and afro hair styles. Obviously going to be one hell of a bike but definately a retrograde step in my opinion.

Ian

Monty 09-Nov-2006 07:58

Well I like the way it looks from the pictures, but will reserve judgement until I see it in the metal. I won't be buying one mind since I don't see anyway of putting panniers on it................

As for other things stated, Mav has it right on the button, I remember reading something written by a 'ring instructor some years ago where he stated that for 70% of the 'ring you can't use more than 45bhp. He used to kick most people's butt using a 500cc Gilera Saturno which has 45bhp-at the crank-so about 37ish at the wheel. Now I have a Saturno and it is flat out at about 110 so it's not a fast bike-Power is Nothing without Control!

Martin, you coming to Cadwell for the trackday next year?-missed you this year mate, dates are 20th and 21st August.

John

beancounter 09-Nov-2006 08:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by 749er
you dont seem to like the 1098 either?

http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/sh...t=38550&page=3

So what do you like?

Apart from being negative/critical/dismissive/rude


I like 750F1s, 851s, 888s, 916s, 996s, 998s and Monsters.

I don't like 999s, Multis, Sport Classics or (indeed) the 1098.

Is that ok?

Thanks.

BC

rcgbob44 09-Nov-2006 08:05

Mav

Your so right...........................let common sense prevail!

Stu748R 09-Nov-2006 08:06

Well i think it looks great.but will be seeing it in the flesh in Millano next thursday and i'm taking my credit card.

More pics and details on the Moto Rapido website

couchcommando 09-Nov-2006 10:37

Really like the looks of it, I can't believe the hp claims tho. To compete with an IL4 litre bike they will need 165 at the rear wheel, maybe the R will have that but then spend £20k on a litre 4 and you would have more.
Playing a hp/performance game with the Japanese is a big mistake and they can only lose.
To spend £12k on a sportsbike I would have to have the best performance and this hasn't got it. If it was £8k I'd consider it as the looks are very nice even if they have styling cues from other bikes, the 916 was copied from the RC30 and NR750 and that didn't stop people buying it !

749er 09-Nov-2006 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by beancounter
I like 750F1s, 851s, 888s, 916s, 996s, 998s and Monsters.

I don't like 999s, Multis, Sport Classics or (indeed) the 1098.

Is that ok?

Thanks.

BC


That means you have not liked one design since 1993/4.

beancounter 09-Nov-2006 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by 749er
That means you have not liked one design since 1993/4.


No I haven't, and it's not something I'm pleased or happy about. I have three (very) expensive Ducatis in my garage, two were made in 1992 and one in 2000. I only got into biking so I could ride Ducatis, I've never owned anything else (apart from a - very - brief episode with a TL1000S) and I'd rather give up riding than ride a Japanese bike.

So you could say I'm a big enthusiast, even though I'm sure it often doesn't sound like it.

BC.

749er 09-Nov-2006 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by beancounter
No I haven't, and it's not something I'm pleased or happy about. I have three (very) expensive Ducatis in my garage, two were made in 1992 and one in 2000. I only got into biking so I could ride Ducatis, I've never owned anything else (apart from a - very - brief episode with a TL1000S) and I'd rather give up riding than ride a Japanese bike.

So you could say I'm a big enthusiast, even though I'm sure it often doesn't sound like it.

BC.


Funnily enough it was the 749 that got me into riding.......funny old world innit?


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