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Ozz 08-Nov-2006 19:47

I am very very tempted. The only things putting me off are:

1. If this one has no recent history it will need a 12k service which is what say £600?
2. If Moto Rapido have one with fsh, newer, less miles, service on purchase and warranty for the same price would I be stupid to get this one now? Only drawback with MR are that bike is yellow and they probably would not take my Fazer and if they did the price would be less anyway.

I have re read the advert for this red one and it says FDSH so I think I will check with them again...

weeksyracing 09-Nov-2006 07:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicken
Steve,
I’m not saying you are on a wind-up – I do believe that you believe that a big-CC Japanese bike is better than a Ducati. You’re entitled to your opinion but the price that you pay for that privilege is that others are allowed their opinion also. And on a Ducati site, you shouldn’t expect to be in the majority.

You’ve said above that “no-one here can ride any of their bikes to the full potential or even 90%.... but it’s all about fun”. So are you saying that everyone is going to have more fun on a Japanese bike than on a 748? I can’t believe that is true because there ARE people that choose to ride a 748 over a big Japanese bike, precisely because market forces set a higher price on the 748.


Of course i'm not expecting to be in the majority.....

And of course, no i'm not saying you can't have fun on a 748 but only on a Jap 1000..... However.... i'm not like so many on here totally closing my mind to the possibility that Jap bikes can give everything a Ducati can (and more IMO).

As for the Market forces and prices.... well if i were to be harsh, that's because Ducati are Iconic machines, and their label is what people pay for, not the performance or the bike.

weeksyracing 09-Nov-2006 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozz
2. If Moto Rapido have one with fsh, newer, less miles, service on purchase and warranty for the same price would I be stupid to get this one now? Only drawback with MR are that bike is yellow and they probably would not take my Fazer and if they did the price would be less anyway.


A little bit yeah. If you can get one with FSH, then that's got to be a good plan.

ring em and ask about the Fazer... you never know.... they may pay less for that but more for the Monnie.... you know, evening itself out.

chris.p 09-Nov-2006 07:47

Paul, If a 748 is what you yearn for then go for it, just do not let your heart rule your head & buy the first one you see, like you said, if you can not PX the Fazer into the deal, is it worth doing, I think not, look around at othe dealers. I know lincoln is far away but they have a W reg 748R http://www.italiamotoltd.co.uk/
a bit pricey for my liking but look at dealer web sites you might just find what you are looking for, just so long as it is Yellow:)


Chris:burn:

chicken 09-Nov-2006 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by weeksyracing
Of course i'm not expecting to be in the majority.....

And of course, no i'm not saying you can't have fun on a 748 but only on a Jap 1000..... However.... i'm not like so many on here totally closing my mind to the possibility that Jap bikes can give everything a Ducati can (and more IMO).

As for the Market forces and prices.... well if i were to be harsh, that's because Ducati are Iconic machines, and their label is what people pay for, not the performance or the bike.


See, this post I have no problem with at all. It lays out your opinion but allows for the differences of others.

The last point is fair enough but you can't correlate performance directly to price. Firstly, how do you define performance? Is it outright power? Is it the torque curve? Is it the way it goes around corners? Then there are the other intangibles like riding position, noise, etc.

A more interesting question is why do 9X6/8's cost so much more than 748's? I remember seeing a site somewhere (might be Ducatitech) that said that they thought they should cost pretty much the same to make.

ps back on topic - Paul, go for it!

Ozz 09-Nov-2006 08:48

I think it is a 748 i am after.

Trouble is the heart does take over in these situations. Take when I bought your Monster, if my brain had been in charge I am sure I would not have bought a bike 250 miles away!

This time I am being a bit more cautious and am certainly waiting for confirmation of whether it has a fsh. If it does then it looks a bit more promising. If someone else buys it in the meantime then so be it.

Ozz 09-Nov-2006 10:32

Well the brain is in control this time definitely!

Just had them confirm that no history in books since 2003 with belt change 2002. They put it down as having a full history as books say every 20k km.

I have emailed back and said I would only buy it (or consider it) if either they get a full belt service done or I just swap my 2 bikes for it and pay for service myself.

We will see what happens :(

weeksyracing 09-Nov-2006 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozz
Well the brain is in control this time definitely!

Just had them confirm that no history in books since 2003 with belt change 2002. They put it down as having a full history as books say every 20k km.

I have emailed back and said I would only buy it (or consider it) if either they get a full belt service done or I just swap my 2 bikes for it and pay for service myself.

We will see what happens :(


Sounds like an excellent piece of logic to me.

Ozz 09-Nov-2006 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by weeksyracing
Sounds like an excellent piece of logic to me.


Its the accountant in me!:devil:

Ozz 09-Nov-2006 11:34

Have had an answer (sort of):

Leave that with me and i will be in touch

So who knows!

moto748 09-Nov-2006 13:07

Certainly you're right to factor in a major service, probably at £500+.

If it were me, I think I'd prefer to buy it "cheap", and arrange the big service with a trusted Ducati specialist, rather than let a "non-Ducati" bike shop monkey around with it.

No belt change since 2003 is *not* 'full service history'. Either every 20k kms or every two years.

Ozz 09-Nov-2006 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by moto748
Certainly you're right to factor in a major service, probably at £500+.

If it were me, I think I'd prefer to buy it "cheap", and arrange the big service with a trusted Ducati specialist, rather than let a "non-Ducati" bike shop monkey around with it.

No belt change since 2003 is *not* 'full service history'. Either every 20k kms or every two years.


Fred exactly what I told them. If they get the service done it will be with Two Four Italia in Ringwood I believe.

Ozz 10-Nov-2006 13:49

Just ridden it and enjoyed it. The riding position is obviously well different to the Monster (which I struggled to ride afterwards!).

The final deal on the table is my 2 bikes plus £400 for the 2000 748 with 10000 miles. They would MOT it, give it a 3 month warranty and get a full service done at a Ducati dealer.

Only niggles were:

1. tyres will need changing soon (they would not stretch that far)
2. Front indicators on upside down (accident) but HPI was clear...

DucatiGary 10-Nov-2006 13:55

sounds like false economy to me, buy my A1 condition, every peice of history documented beuty and sell your bikes private, job done, everybody happy :D

Ozz 10-Nov-2006 13:56

Oh no not buying another bike from Lincoln! I still have wet bits from the last visit!

Redruth 10-Nov-2006 14:05

Hi Paul,

You can't beat the looks of the 748 but I've never ridden one so I can't comment on peformance. If you're looking for a bike that gives you an aesthetic thrill and will turn heads, and keep you drooling over it in the garage, it will do far more for you than the Monster. Monster's do nothing for me appearance wise but I love riding mine because I love the engine and it's very easy to handle. What type of riding do you do (other than up to Lincoln to buy bikes, of course)?

Just don't think you should buy a yellow one unless you can afford to get it re-sprayed straight away. :devil:

chris.p 10-Nov-2006 14:29

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Originally Posted by Redruth

Just don't think you should buy a yellow one unless you can afford to get it re-sprayed straight away. :devil:




Ruth,
Taht is a colourist remark ;) , we all know that only the best 748`s are yellow :) , slapped wrist young lady.


Chris.:burn:

chris.p 10-Nov-2006 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozz
Oh no not buying another bike from Lincoln! I still have wet bits from the last visit!



As long as you don't stand in a bucket of compost you will be all right Paul :)


Chris:burn:

Ozz 10-Nov-2006 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redruth
Hi Paul,

You can't beat the looks of the 748 but I've never ridden one so I can't comment on peformance. If you're looking for a bike that gives you an aesthetic thrill and will turn heads, and keep you drooling over it in the garage, it will do far more for you than the Monster. Monster's do nothing for me appearance wise but I love riding mine because I love the engine and it's very easy to handle. What type of riding do you do (other than up to Lincoln to buy bikes, of course)?

Just don't think you should buy a yellow one unless you can afford to get it re-sprayed straight away. :devil:


No its definitely red!

My riding is hour rides 60-70 miles mainly 60mph roads I guess.

I certainly enjoyed riding it even though is felt very strange as if I was strapped to a missile....

Ozz 10-Nov-2006 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris.p
As long as you don't stand in a bucket of compost you will be all right Paul :)


Chris:burn:


I'll try and avoid buckets!

TP 10-Nov-2006 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozz
No its definitely red!

My riding is hour rides 60-70 miles mainly 60mph roads I guess.

I certainly enjoyed riding it even though is felt very strange as if I was strapped to a missile....


:lol:

Imagine what riding a 998R is like ... GRRRR!

Ozz 10-Nov-2006 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by TP
:lol:

Imagine what riding a 998R is like ... GRRRR!


exocet comes to mind!

DucatiGary 10-Nov-2006 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris.p
we all know that only the best 748`s are yellow :)


but the titanium grey ones are the fastest! ;)

:burn:

chris.p 10-Nov-2006 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucatiGary
but the titanium grey ones are the fastest! ;)

:burn:




:frog:

TP 10-Nov-2006 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozz
exocet comes to mind!


Yep! She was a bit nippy!

Ozz 10-Nov-2006 15:32

At my age might need the bars raised slightly too!

Ozz 10-Nov-2006 21:26

Making decision tomorrow one way or another...

skidlids 10-Nov-2006 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by TP
:lol:

Imagine what riding a 998R is like ... GRRRR!


Ozz if you pop into Moto Rapido ask if you can check out the 998R engine they are working on at the moment for Dallas

It was GRRRR when TP owned it but Dallas is going for GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

TP 10-Nov-2006 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidlids
Ozz if you pop into Moto Rapido ask if you can check out the 998R engine they are working on at the moment for Dallas

It was GRRRR when TP owned it but Dallas is going for GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


Bloody hell!

Ozz 10-Nov-2006 22:07

Think I would need to take spare underpants.

Was bad enough testing the 748 today after getting off a MOnster I can tell you.

World of difference. On the way home the clutch on Monster was awful and will hopefully be bleeding it tomorrow as at times had no clutch at all!

keefer 11-Nov-2006 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozz
Just ridden it and enjoyed it. The riding position is obviously well different to the Monster (which I struggled to ride afterwards!).

The final deal on the table is my 2 bikes plus £400 for the 2000 748 with 10000 miles. They would MOT it, give it a 3 month warranty and get a full service done at a Ducati dealer.

Only niggles were:

1. tyres will need changing soon (they would not stretch that far)
2. Front indicators on upside down (accident) but HPI was clear...

its ringing alarm bells to me this bike
it definitely needs belts but what about if it need rockers and so on
I cant see them paying this dealer for everything that needs or may need doing.
be careful
I know its all about the trade in. but don't get sucked in to something that might cost you a bit more in the long run.
I still think you should go for a 748. maybe just not this one.

TP 11-Nov-2006 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by keefer
its ringing alarm bells to me this bike
it definitely needs belts but what about if it need rockers and so on
I cant see them paying this dealer for everything that needs or may need doing.
be careful
I know its all about the trade in. but don't get sucked in to something that might cost you a bit more in the long run.
I still think you should go for a 748. maybe just not this one.


I'm with Keefer ... Paul, don't get burned, you'll end up resenting the bike.

And you need to luuuuuuuurve it :D

Ozz 11-Nov-2006 20:25

I am still pondering.

If I went for it it would cost £400 and I would ensure I had it in writing (email) that they would get full service done and make any repairs required and also new MOT.

Things worrying me are that 2 new tyres will be needed soon (may fail MOT on them?), lack of documented history and slight bind on clutch when pulling away.

Things tempting me are the excellent part exchange and pretty good price....


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