Anyone want to Join us in the DSC Thailand Branch...........

That's exactly how me and Doogalman feel. It really will be for the family that we would come back for visits. And the odd bit of Dead fish and root vegetable (fish and chips) LOL :frog:

Don't even need to do that. Just knock up some batter.:eek:

grass... greener... etc...

People are people. Scumbags are the same everywhere as the world is becoming a global place.

Some people hate that society we live in. And for me, feelings are the same on both sides of the Channel.
I disagree with those people: I've never known a war, neither have my brothers and my parents. People I love lead a safe life, and so do I. The most dangerous thing I do in my life is riding a bloody bike, and that's because I want it.

So yes, a lot of things are wrong in our society, but to me the only fact that this thread exists shows that more things are right.

Tonio, you dont lead a safe life, you cross the road much like the old lady did, You catch a tube home and risk getting stabbed for your wallet, You are far from safe on the streets of this country. Like a few on here I have seen war and been part of a war, Wars are safer than the streets of the uk at present I belive, Wars have rules and a clearly defined enemy. You can hug trees as much as you like or burry your head in the sand, I have been to places where society colapses (Bosnia) and it aint pretty.
Hopefully we will be out of this country before We get into a bosnia situation here, Belive it or not we are not too far away from what caused the problems out there....
Too Deep im off for a snooze......

Now I don't know what to reply... Well done Glyn :D
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN I AGREE :lol: Actually I don't, but I don't know what to say :lol:

LOL a confused french man....Never :-)

Yeah I know.


And do you really think the life out there is safer than here? :lol:

Now what you say??? :D


;)

Yup it sure is if you get run over in tahiland it will be by a tuk tuk.
Seriously though if People break the law in thailand they pay for it big time, Ok there is a maffia issue but then again that sorts a lot of crime too.
I firmly belive that the uk is going to the dogs, I for one am sick of paying through the teeth to Keep scumbags in our country, TAX on tax. And now Mr Browns Son has an ailment we will be taxed some more.
Whilst I belive the BNP are a little too radical they do have some very good points.
The only thing that is left Great about Britain now is our armed forces, and they too are being treated like second rate citizens.
Rant over LOL

I have read and agree with most of the points put before us.

How incredible it is that in one of the most powerful countries on this planet with a population of over 60 million, there is not one person with the drive and influence to reverse the slide back into anarchy.

Our police force has literally lost the fight against crime. Things are now tolerated which would have utterly horrified this nation thirty or forty years ago. People are being killed for kicks on our streets by children. Apparently, soon shoplifters and muggers will not even get a criminal record!

A while ago after dark I saw three men commiting theft. I know for a fact that I could have taken down one or possibly two of them with the iron bar I keep in my van. But I did not get out of my van and sort them because if I had done so I would definitely gone to prison,lost my job etc. for using unreasonable force. They ran off before the police got there.

Yes many of the immigrants coming here are from the EU and many will integrate and contribute to our country but many are like the two in the original post. They will never ever think, act or behave like the majority of us but will join the ranks of our home grown scum whose only 'contribution ' to our society will be to abuse, thieve, kill and terrify normal decent people.

The current guardians of our once proud society tell us that they have the answer to 'overcrowding' in our prisons. Not by building more prisons of course, their clever idea is to let the few who have actually been caught out again to carry on as before! Meanwhile they are sending some of the bravest people from this country to fight against the people of Afghanistan. A 'backward' nation which several generations ago we failed to militarily subjugate and which we trained quite recently to fight against the Russian Army, who after several years and countless deaths of its' soldiers had to admit defeat and withdraw.

The vast majority of the inhabitants of this country, be they white black, yellow, immigrants or whatever are decent law abiding tax payers who make this country potentially the best in the world, but who are being very badly let down by spineless leaders, bureaucrats and an apology for a legal system which only seems interested in the 'rights' of the evil and destructive parasites which keep them in a job.

Sometimes I could weep.



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Pilthy, Awsum post . Nail and head me thinks.

I dont want to add any thing to this post other than I'm thinking of the lady and her family and wish them my deepest sympathy.
L x

Ditto to all of the above

Had a similar incident on the way back from Cadwell in October, going through a village in a short line of cars all doing around 30 when a van came belting past at what must have been 70. Nearly wiped out an oncoming car which had to take serious avoiding action. Must have stopped off for fuel as we caught up with them at Northampton, silver van, Lithuanian plate, couple of lads in it looked off their faces. Not a matter of whether they will kill someone, more a matter of when !!!.

On the emigration front what the government seem to have missed is that it is the very people we need to keep who are emigrating, if you want to emigrate outside the EU you have to be able to offer something to the country you intend settling in. Basically the people who can afford to move out of the country are the ones who've worked to be able to afford it so the good/bad ratio of those left behind deteriorates even more.

It isn't right to label all from a ceretain ethnic group as bad but the reality is that the country has been infiltrated by criminal gangs from across Europe, particularly in people traficking, prostitution and drug dealing and we do precious little about it. Glyn's comments about Bosnia are very telling !!!!! Ignore them at your peril. This was no "third world" country and the attrocities that went on there were horrific.

I guess its us slightly older people who can reflect back on how far things have changed, (with all due respect to the younger people voicing their opinions) my very real concern is how fast they have changed and that there seems no real attempt to stop the downward spiral.

Question!

If we, yes thats you and me "the people" of this democracy, don`t like the way things are going in this country, then why don`t the elected representatives of the people (The Government) do want the people want.

Perhaps there are to many corrupt people getting back handers in government!

Answer....

It's because the vast majority who agree largely with the views expressed here don't kick up a big enough stink. They just sit quietly by and observe hoping that things will get better given time, given time, given time.........

Vociferous minority groups make it their lifes work to force ridiculous change; hunting ban, handgun ban, all manner of other bans and restrictions that have no real effect. Its "knee jerk" policy making to appease the vociferous voters, a massive proportion of the electorate feel so diesnfranchised by it all that they no longer even bother to vote..

Too many "do gooders" who are constantly concerned more about the rights of the wrongdoers than those of the wronged, while that situation prevails we don't have a snowball in hells chance of improving life in this country.

FWIW I'd like to see a party come forward with a manifesto based primarily on basic achievable commitments to sort out the things that the majority of us are concerned about, crime and punishment, education, NHS, utilities, the rights of the decent citizens etc. No more pedantic legislation (this government has introduced legislation at a rate hitherto unheard of, most of it too complex to comprehend and unenforceable due to the parlous state of the police and judicial systems)

I'm not interested in them knocking on about how bad the others are, if you've ever watched prime ministers question time the petty points scoring that goes on is worse even than this forum gets at times and these are the people who govern us !.

Without debating the rights or wrongs of the hunting ban, I think you'll find that it is supported by more than a "vociferous minority group." The latest ORB poll, asking the question "To what extent do you personally support or oppose the recent Government ban on hunting with dogs", shows that support for the ban is still around 45%, with 30% opposing and 23% undecided.

The 45% support hardly makes for a "vociferous minority group." In fact, I'd almost go as far as to argue that the introduction of the hunting ban was the government's response to the will of the majority of UK citizens. Support for the ban was as high as 63% in 1999 and 2000.

Like anything though it depends who you ask, agreed it probably wasn't the best example to quote but you got the gist of the remainder of the post.

How many people have been killed in handgun crime since the ban, more or less ? Answer: considerably more as it did nothing to address the root cause of the problem which still hasn't and never will be addressed.

Paul

I agree 101% with your point of view but what`s the answer to getting common sense to prevail!......................a revolution? or we vote in a radical party such as the BNP. Trouble is look what happened 60 odd years ago when a certail european party went along similar lines.

As you so rightly pointed out, it depends on who you ask.

Whether or not the hand gun ban has addressed the root cause of the problem, latest Home Office figures show that for the year ending March, 31 2005, hand gun crime was down by 16% - http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-v...ime/gun-crime/

Other sources site a small overall increase (6%) in gun crime since 1997, but levels remain low and much of the increase can be accounted for by use of imitation weapons. http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/...ory=factsheets

I don't think your presumption that there is now "considerably more" handgun crime than prior to the ban holds true.

I think the conservatives need to stop snuggling up to Mr.B.Liars policies and offer some basic achievables. I don't think we are looking for an instant cure just a stop to the decline and a gradual, sustainable reversal. Less knee jerking, more thought into what is done. Do you for instance recall the number of about faces the government made on immigration policy within a couple of weeks around a year ago ? It just isn't workable, it didn't sort the problem then and they have no solution to it now.

If in your job you'd made such a monumental foul up of predicting the amount of EU immigration into this country would you expect a golden handshake and a fat pension or to be escorted off the premises complete with P45 ?

That lot 60 years ago made the fatal mistake of taking on Russia, thank goodness !! Had they not done so none of us would be writing openly on a forum such as this now. I very much doubt that had we been vanquished the Germans would have handed control of our country back to us and helped to rebuild it at a cost to their people. Surely all we need to do is introduce some fundamental basic common sense policies in our own country not take on the rest of the world ?

Going back to my earlier comments on the Walden articles, they do bear reading as I would imagine does his book (hint hint, Chrimbo on the horizon :-)

Must go and earn a crust, tax to pay and all that good wholesome British stuff that we love so much.

Ask the coppers.

Statistics are great.

So banning all legal ownership didn't see the drastic decline that you'd hope for given that a large number of law abiding people were deprived of a perfectly legitimate pastime when the ban came about? A massive cost in compensating them for the guns that were destroyed was loaded onto the general public.

If legal ownership had been the root cause wouldn't the ban have reduced the figures to a very low number ?

Ironically the government is now chasing its tail trying to work out how we can legally run the pistol shooting events at the Olympics when they come here.

Funny old world innit.

I'm not trying to debate whether your point of view is wrong or right, just trying to help you formulate a coherent argument without resorting to sweeping statements such as "vociferous minority groups" and "considerably more" without substantiating them.

Thats jolly decent of you old chap, good ere innit :lol:

I'd have to say that "considerably more" in the context used when considering that the handgun ban was going to be the universal panacea for the problem does have a smidgeon of relevance.........??

Anyone on this thread do any voluntary youth work, mentoring, childrens' panels, or are special constables for those of a more authoritarian bent? Anyone a member of a political party so they can at least have a small say in what policies are propounded, or a local councillor? There are ways to make a difference in this country if you can be arsed.

I have seriously thought about a couple of the above, But and its a big BUT I spend most of my time working to pay my excessive tax bill and Provide for MY family as well as the scroungers we breed. The time i do get off I either spend with my children Or Race........ What A life i lead ehhhhhh.

So on my one day off a week I rest, Was good enough for the maker so its good enough for me.

On my occasional day off I tinker with the bikes, or weather permitting ride them, or make ammunition for other interests!















I`m not really crazy officer!

Blimey!!!!

Just been sitting here reading all the posts that have been but up and can't quite belive what i've started! I just wanted to say thanks for all everyone thought for this poor woman and leaving some sort of respect for her even though non of us knew her! Flowers have been laid now!

I just have to know: Did you blow the kitty`s brains out or give him a saucer of milk!

Aha a home loader eh ;)

Yup.

Sorry going off topic ;-))

We'll end up getting shot

Hi Phillc,

Apologies for my delay in responding.

A neighbour / friend said he had a brief encounter with the foreign workers and although they spoke very little English he managed to ascertain their country of origin. He said the foreign workers he met were Polish and Bosnians but he doesn’t know where the rest of the workers originated from.

This company is not fussy from which countries they get their cheap labour, they have used people from a wide range of countries including some of the countries you mention. Everyday they use several minibus vans to ferry foreign workers, whether all or some of the workers are legal and or illegal I don’t know.

This is what I witnessed while driving home one day. I looked across a field and saw Police and what appeared to be Immigration and Social Security officials wearing fluorescent yellow jackets en masse questioning workers, some of whom were being put into vans.
Evidently, the Police and other officials had reason to believe that something was amiss with some of the workers otherwise they wouldn’t have been loading some of them into police vans.

Your statement is correct and I agree, however it is not that simple and not every case is the same.

All citizens of European Union Member Countries are able to travel, reside and work in other EU member countries providing the individual meets certain requirements.
I’m sure and I also hope especially given the current political and religious climate that if any immigrant or immigrants are suspected of wrongdoing and thought to pose a serious threat then the authorities would take immediate and appropriate action.

Ask yourself this; Without physically or verbally asking an Estonian, Latvian or Lithuanian could you tell on hearing their accent/s from which country they originate, if you can then you’re a better man than me because I could not.
Same goes for people from Slovakia, Slovenia or Bosnia or any people from the former Yugoslavia, they sound alike and have very similar dialects.

You have your opinion which you are entitled and I have mine. I personally feel most of the immigrants whether legal or illegal are economic migrants and I am not alone with my line of thought.
If an asylum seeker is of the opinion that his or her life and the lives of their families are at serious risk within their own country then they should seek refuge in a neighbouring country not travel across several European countries to reach the country of their choice.

I feel that this thread has somewhat detracted from the death of an innocent woman who has had her life cruelly ended by a drunk driver. Whether the driver is a legal or illegal immigrant is irrelevant, this could have been committed by a drunk driving UK citizen, however it does leave an extremely bitter taste in ones mouth.

RD

Got to agree.

But the powers that be seem to reluctant to enforce any real law, regardless of who commits it. It is verbal warning, slap on wrist, minimum sentence - its pathetic. all this from a country who are ready enough to send our troops abroad to dish out justice... send MPs instead. Feckers, all of them...

Interesting to note amongst all this ethnic discord the number of muslims supposedly in favour of what the muslim bombers did in London recently. We can't or shouldn't decry all muslims for the bombings but I'm not sure that the level of support suggests real harmony with our established society ?

I've read this before posting so no need for anyone to come along and help me to articulate on what I've written.

whilst i was born in the U.K, i have lived most of my life in australia, my parents dreamt of a better life, though i'm not sure that they got it. making the most of wherever you are is obviously the best way to be happy, though that's easy to say here, put bluntly, after a long overseas vacation earlier this year, including england and italy i can say from what i have experienced that australia truly is the best country on earth. there are prettier places, there are more historical places, and there are certainly more exciting places, but for weather, lifestyle, quality of life and friendly faces, oz can't be beat. i don't want to rubbish england but aside from visiting family i have no desire to return, i have never come across as many agro, rude, and wannabe tough guys in my life as i did in my month in the u.k (isle of man excluded!!!) it is worth noting too, that most of us belong to the "silent majority" and apathy fuels inaction and silence so we only have ourselves to blame. we too are in the grip of conservative governmentitis so purile, stupid decisions have to be tolerated here too, it's just that with a population not much more than 20 mill. the saturation of scumbags and negative news stories isn't as large. oh, and there's plenty of room for those who want to move to NZ, most kiwis are moving here......

There's some pretty weird responses in here.

My view is that if you're legally allowed to live and work somewhere then there's no reason why you can't. If you don't like it, lobby your MP to have the law's changed. Most people take advantage of laws that suit them and to then sit back and complain that others do (notwithstanding illegals) smacks of hypocrisy.

Being an Aussie living in London I've had to compete with everyone else eligible to work here and my industry also attracts a large number of immigrants. I know for a fact that *some* employers in my industry prefer to hire antipodeans because, and in their words, we have a better work ethic and better attitude towards getting the job done. Two companies that I've worked for that have a high percentage of contractors had a MAJORITY of antipodeans over english. That's something else to think about.

I'll offer one final thing that I hope you all consider. There are people on this board who have partners/loved ones who originate from the countries being stereotyped/denigrated on here. It might pay to show a bit of tact and thoughtfulness.

TP - proud to be Australian.

Thanks for your comments on Aus Loony :)

Of course when you come from "down under" (now there's another term ripe for innuendo) us Brits are the Antipodeans :eek:

Bloody Australians get everywhere, taking our jobs.... ;)

[quote=TP]

Being an Aussie living in London I've had to compete with everyone else eligible to work here and my industry also attracts a large number of immigrants. I know for a fact that *some* employers in my industry prefer to hire antipodeans because, and in their words, we have a better work ethic and better attitude towards getting the job done. Two companies that I've worked for that have a high percentage of contractors had a MAJORITY of antipodeans over english. That's something else to think about.QUOTE]

Thats Cos there arent many English left living in london Tony.
Ask for directions in london and see how many people reply in english....