I see exactly where you are coming from on this one Kev, So Im guessing that this was brought up at the RC / NE meeting if there was one, Then it was put to the riders before a decision was made....LOL I doubt they could put another guest club in at Donny Who would they aim at, Every one else had their acts sorted early with other clubs who had thier calenders sorted.
I will await confirmation but if, Donnington is a mixed grid with Just 40 racers and gawd knows how many reserves I will Not be entering, £150 buys me a lot of tracktime elswhere, and it will give some of the new guys to the series a chance to get a race, as I remember how Kyle felt at cadwell.
The other point is that I still have yet to recieve My New Era postal regs, So effectivly if I didnt use the tinternet, Those 40 places could have gone before I even recieved my Regs.....UNFAIR........Actually its worse than that it sucks.

I think the KTM guys would have been up for Donny, 6 of the riders from that series turned up at Daventry for the New Era meeting so they could try and make themselves heard. Talking to a couple of them after the meeting they pretty much knew they would be ruled out of Donny as they were unlikely to be able to put out a full grid but with the change to the class now being Supermoto they hope to attract more entrants so may have managed it.

yup there is 20 of them acording to thier web chatter, Still what will be will be, I just feel that the porews that be have lost the reality that without customers they are GONE, Used to be a good friendly club, Just read the hatred posted on there site, Most have voted with their feet.
If DD at donny is as thought My first round will be Anglesey, I are'nt piffing about with all this reserves Shyte, Otherwise I will get ****ed off with the organisation again ( Why i packed in DD in the first place) and torch the DD bike

This is and always has/will be an issue.

eg. in the history of DD there has always been a significant dropout rate, 60 people put their names in the hat for the season, then maybe only 35-40 turn up at each and EVERY round. There is the problem.

DD cannot commit to filling grids, so the commercial operator (NE) has to do everything they can to fill every available grid space. It makes sense, yes the consumer DD suffers, but NE take the huge financial risk of booking the circuits.

Options: You have to make a commitment to the full season, financially, like the Triumph or Suzuki cups require upfront, to ensure full grids are paid, therefore allowing NE to plan well in advance. I'm sure that wont go down well with the DD faithfull??

So, you either enter early and upfront and race as much as you like, or pick and choose you races you want to enter or can afford.

Mixed grids??!! - let it go!! - its in the top 5 of reccuring debates on DD every year, let it go, just race whomever lines up beside you!!!

Hi Kev
Yes 40, Just thought i would point this out to other DDers.
As for me?
My season will start in north wales as after watching a few vids on
you tube it looks like a great place to race.
I did consider donny but for value for the £ the other circuits offer more and
i'm not a fan of donny and what it stands for= lot's of £££££'s
At least one of the new racers in class B will get the chance to race at the first meeting as i really do think there will be lots of disapointed faces.
i maybe wrong but i can see at least 10
going on the reserve list ?
hope not though.
Steve :)

I Understand this Chris, But dont we put down £200 to committ to race..... If people lost this then they would think very carefully about putting their names in the hat to start with.
The main point is this is the first race of the year and its a willy waving exercise for jim parker, With the ammount of 583 guys registered this year that could almost fill one grid, But have we been given the chance to prove we can do it, The regs have not even landed on my doorstep yet?????
New Era Have lost the plot this year, what bothers me is that due to their lateness and utter **** comunications lots of people will be reserves through no fault of their own and as you rightly say we are the ones to suffer, its a very bitter pill to swallow.
WSB WILL TAKE MY MIND OFF THE ISSUE THIS WEEKNED ??? YOU GOING???

Did you know that the largest grids at snetterton last year were class A and B in DD ?

Yep,

I'm looking at it from a NE point of view. If DD could 'cast iron' guarantee that every race meet they would have the numbers, different story.

I feel for you guys, I've thrown a lot of money at NE over the DD years, unfortunately there is no solution for everyone. So you have to make an individual decision.

Don't race at Donny - buys another set of tyres!!

I agree completely, it is a risk/reward for Jim.

The 200gbp has never been enforced, maybe it should be for the future?

Not going but, looking forward to PI WSB, be nice to watch it live at a normal time!! I should be at the MotoGP this year!!

Yet the smallest Class Grid at Mallory in 2008 for the first round was DD Class B followed by Class A, with the SoT grid being 32 strong, take out the 5 DD bikes and it still had 27 entrants compared to Class Bs 19 plus a guest rider for PB mag

Is that an application to be on the Race Committee? Step right up, your race series needs you!!

But Chris ... and I love you maaaaaaate ;)

If the consumer (the racer) knew wtf they were getting for their money BEFORE committing, like any other business, then they might stand a chance of achieving some sort of loyalty! And then everyone wins, the racer knows what they're getting and can plan. And the organiser knows how many entries they're going to get - it's not rocket science!

Agreed.

So IF NE gave a gtee for whatever, would the DD'ers pay up front for the season?

1200gbp : - That's 8*150gbp for practice/qually/2 races per weekend.

For that there is Mastercard!!

I know you are playing Devil's Advocate here Chris, but why SHOULD the season be paid for FULLY in advance? You dont pay your council tax fully in advance, or your weekly shopping for the year....the shop puts on a FULL display in the hope that you'll continue shopping....doesnt say you can ONLY go at certain times with X number of other people.....or only half stock the shop....and if trackday companies can make a decent living charging, in the main, far less than £150, to far fewer people than race at a NE meet.....why, when entries cost so much, does DD get such a raw deal from NE ? Look at their site, we dont even rate a mention in their list of classes that they run, despite all riders HAVING to be bona fide fully paid up members just the same as riders in any other class !!!!
if its in the top 5 bones of contention each year, then its about time something was done about it ! if I REALLY thought that being on the RC would help, I'd willingly stand, but I'm not about to stand against those that have been duly elected for this year, but that doesnt mean I have to be happy with the way NE is allowed to run roughshod over DD as if they are doing us a favour ! Its OUR series, DSC.....we NEED to have a say in the way its run.....we are REQUIRED to be there at Donington for both days, to blow sunshine up NE's backsides.......so if they make such demands, where are the DSC's demands? Its a 2 way thing, or should be at least.

Agreed with all Nog.

Maybe quarterly payments to NE would work as a gtee of being on the grid.

Unfortunately they hold the cards as the promoter.

Think Bernie and Dorna, and WSB, Flammini? They set the rules. Who owns the show? Organisers or riders? You can't have on with out the other.

The rub has been that DD is a DSC series run by NE on our behalf, a certain complication. IF it was given directly to NE, maybe even worse/or better, depends on who you ask??

Supply and demand is a bugger.

LOTS of series have come and gone, we have got to think practically about how to really strengthen the DSC/DD series so we hold a better set of cards than the promoters so they come to us.

Can we use wets and warmers ?

There is an obvious answer here to one statement..............:lol:

no i wouldnt think so.
thundersport had an approach last year in feb and said no.
Both clubs have full grids this year in all classes

Was that the statement released by e mail (Cleggy) That cleared things up for me that did..........;)

I really must stop coming here. Every year it’s the same old sh*t – why don’t we do this, why don’t they do that, we pays our money but they takes the p*ss and the grass is greener over there, there and there.

I’m simple and I like things simple, rules are here, races are there, if I want to race I sign up.

If I’m going to get precious about who I’m racing with, how many laps, at which tracks, how big the trophies are, if someone might be cheating/better/spending more than me; I’ll just go and race somewhere else where it’s not the case….

Oh no, I’ve got a Ducati so I’m Special….

See you on the grid then :lol:

Hi Paul

Well said i only put a post up to let people know to get there entrys in .
I thought i was being helpfull but its seems its just gets taken over.
Like you said can we just go and race and have fun,

see you soon

Trudi :-) x

I like Simple too, but it never is..... Especialy when you have a business to run on a saturday and are told our championship races are sunday races.... then have to plan a saturday off to sit in the paddock waving willies for the TV cameras.
I have tried to contact NE as to why we are expected to be there on a saturday and no answer to their Phone all day, No replys to e mails.....
Sounds familiar because it is paul.

I thought that's what Riders Reps / RC were there for?

NO, NO STOP, TAKE THE FUNNY JACKET OFF, AAARGH.......

Yea so did I till I got an e mail from cleggy today stating this.
So I tried to call them, They were probably hiding............
Dear DD rider
The club has not been informed by New Era that we have a combined grid for the Donington Park meeting, and they are fully aware of number of entered for each class with the DSC.
If they is any problems or clarification are required about entry forms or meeting please contact New Era directly.
As a suggestion I would recommend that for events entered box, on entry form you mention which class of bike you are race i.e. Class A or B.

Cleggys Spilling BTW

It's a fake, there are only one typo.......


PS Not seen the mail yet so apologies for jumping the gun - I'm the new Trouty!

Naa worries matey

You, my friend, are hilarious:lol:

:lol: :lol: :roll:

dude, i'm pretty sure that at most meetings last season where we were sunday only, NE eventually cottoned on and also held non championship DD races on the saturday... i can definitely remember this being the case at snetterton and at cadwell. And, if my prevailing memory serves me correctly, the majority of sunday dd'ers were also saturday dd'ers, if that makes sense!

not to mention the amount of dd'ers that also enter 2nd and in some cases 3rd classes as well, NE do pretty well from the DD series!

they certainly do well enough from the dd series to warrant, at the very least, a response to emails being sent to them! seriously, at what cost is an email? 2 minutes of time. and what cost to not bother replying to an email? i'm not on the grid this season, you do the math.

KRC went belly up cos they suddenly felt they didnt need to communicate with the teams anymore, NE are going the same way. I hope they can turn it around.

OK done a quick bit of Counting

Cadwell Saturday - Class A 15, Class B 8
Cadwell Sunday - Class A 17, Class B 17

Donington Saturday, 10 from both Class A & B sharing with Hornets & 400s
Donington Sunday Class A -22 (includes a few Class B riders), Class B 19

So how many empty grid spaces, I make it between the order of 14 to 28, with each space worth £100 plus over two races or one long race, do the maths on that

And Brands last year was just like Donny this year, Two Races with a Mixed grid of both Class A & B, No reserves on Saturday and a few on Sunday

Cleggy's a south african??? :o :eek:

that makes 13 missing on Cadwell saturday, and none missing from Donington saturday, as they entered into an entirely different class.

so thats (using £100 as a ball park figure) £1300 missing from the saturday grid.

OR, another way to look at it... an ADDITIONAL 23 entries at Cadwell and an ADDITIONAL 10 entries at Donington, using the same £100 minimum figure, thats an ADDITIONAL REVENUE of £3300 that NE wouldnt have received.

peace yo

Everyone knows top of the pre-season training list for DD is whinging, to miss out wets and warmers from the pre-season whinging schedule is short changing the newcomers, they can damn well take in the whole DD experience as we have all done for the last few years :)

I think the only thing missing this year is an ex-MotoGP rider being cleared to ride in Class B.....?:devil:

i hear Hopkins has become available and is looking for a ride...

Cadwell grids were seperate as we keep telling new Era we have at least 25 per class racing so please don't mix our grids,
So we get to Cadwell with seperate grids each day and Cadwell can take at least 38 so only putting 8 on it is 30 places short & £1000 is £3k
Class A grid 23 empty places so thats £2.3k, a total of £5.3K not earn't from those grid slots.

So in summary two full grids of 38 at £100 per spot should generate a revenue of £6.8K or even if settling for 25 slots thats £5k revenue expected
and we paid them less than £2.3k for those two grids, as Mats Class A entry would have been at a cost of £25 per race. The other costs are based on £100 as a round figure, yes I know its more by about 10% to 15% and although that does increase the income it also increases the losses by more

Sunday we again fell short of filling the two grids that we had been given, we didn't even get half a grid out in each class so again New Era made a loss.

Well my entry Has gone in this morning, Even though I still have No idea as to the race day(s) format.
I suppose the more entries we get in Gives us a bigger clout and the earlier they are in gives us more time to negotiate.

Checkout the new CB500 racing, now moved from NE - after a lifetime there they are now with Thundersport for all the reasons you lot bleat about. (poor NE have reaped what they have sowed for years so their own fault). It all looks extremely professional and they are up to 44 bikes, most I've ever heard of in my time. They also have a way around the grid situation and the full season question.....don't know if it's right, but appears sensible. The forum is brand new and doesn't include all the old posts and debate before they got here. I think the racers behind it have done an amazing job in taking a max20/25 grid, very often a lot less up to full grids and reserves. Also no longer just the Honda 500 Cup, so other 500's can enter (although none have up to now so its all CB5's).....maybe DD should let an old guy on his shed enter DD class B to help fill the grids....go on go on go on

I'll need my wets and warmers mind you......ha ha ha

http://www.cb500cup.co.uk/

WeeJohnyB

Cadwell sunday

mixed grids
all comers 500 had 11 on the grid. 4 of which were dd'ers
all comers open and dave holland trophy had 17 (bear in mind it was billed as the Dave Holland Festival)
supermoto/SoT/Supermono - 21
probike open + f600 - 21
125/250/f400/cb500/sv (5 classes sharing a grid) 18... 5 were dd'ers

single grids
Desmo B - 17
Desmo A - 17 (2 class B)
supermono 18
lansdowne classics had 23

so of the 4 classes that had single grids, each of our class had practically as many, and almost as many if not more than, the mixed grids.

Yes, im sure NE may have lost some money here, but that CANNOT be attributed to the DD classes!