£158 +vat

Oh they do make them in a 160/60/17 which is the correct size for a 600
just not in H rated at present, maybe an effect of the world wide economic recession.

They also make a H rated Diablo in both 120/70/17 and 160/60/17 which not only fit a 600 but are also allowed in Desmo Due, whats more they're also available from dealers

I was close :)
Couldn't quite recall the last figure but the other two were right
so about £181 inc

£136.50p
postage free

http://www.sticky-stuff.co.uk/produc...oducts_id=6219

Hope Holbeach don't see this.......

So who is ripping who off...........? and that online company are making a profit !!!

Nice spot Steve (probaby down to larger turnover and smaller margins) last year I was payng Holbeach £140 a pair fited and balanced in the paddock when they had a pair they could sell me, I think it was about £85 for just the rear at Donington.

£160 fitted now £150 + postage mail order so at a guess £160....
As tesco say..... Every little helps lol

So tyres are available, you have a choice on price, sounds like everyone is sorted.

If the situation changes when we hear back from Pirelli, then we will update everyone. Until that time there is no outstanding issue with regard to tyres in the series!

Yeh! thanks for sorting that Chris don't know what we would do without you;)

As soon as you allow wets you need a spare set of wheels, also a lot of people would have 2 bikes one wet and one dry to save them changing wheels which means they can delay their decision on tyre choice to the last minute giving them another advantage. The best thing about DD is the one make tyre rule as it simplifies a race weekend, in other series where wets have been allowed I have changed wheels 10+ times in a day and still been out on a wet with slicks when the heavens opened, also done dry track on wets too LOL

I'd be all for dry racing only and any wet meeting postponed ;) :)

Good job I'm not doing Donny!

Plenty of time for everyone else to rush out and buy up all the first batch of "H" rated Rossos and I can either get mine from a fresh batch once Pirelli have taken note of all the feedback from the first race and got the rubber mix right or go back to the good old Diablos.......:ninja:

As stated earlier Pirelli's plans have changed on the Rosso's availability and Diablo H's are more readily available than at the close of last season.
We are in discussion with Pirelli and advise ASAP

I still have the tyres I put on at Snetterton and this is what I will be using!

My front tyre is a bit older than that so I think I should get another, and if i'm getting one why not make it two, I can always sell on a part worn rear or save it for test days or trackdays

I Have just put a new pair on mine, as the bike still had ZR's on it from 2006.
Managed to get a really good deal direct from pirelli £105 plus the vat.

Looking at your and my laptimes I'd bin them if I were you.....:lol: xxxx

That was a good deal Glyn......why cant they sell them direct to ALL DD riders? After all, Chris has said he is in discussions with Pirelli direct and NOT a dealer...so of course, THAT must be what he is negotiating on our behalf ! Silly me !

I was a bit Piddled with Pirelli when I called to order some diablo`s a few years ago as Holbeach were doing them the same price as i got them trade, So when I put in an order for some scooter tyres last week I questioned as to why this was, Apparently I dont get the same discount on Big bike tyres as other dealers, But Bigger dealers dont get the same discount on scooter tyres than I do, fairy muff. I Explained that the tyres were for me and they gave me a better Price.
Apparently they are even cheaper on the continent.
Glyn

why should we get a better deal than any other racer from Pirelli? not like we are promoting their tyres or creating advertising space on a national or international stage

and you must go thru 3 sets a round eh Glyn ;) :lol:

Chris actually said the CLUB was talking to Pirelli and I have been doing this on behalf of the club as a member of the RC.

As Glyn is a dealer of course he will recive a trade discount which is normal practise in the industry.

In superstock we have to buy our tyres from Eddie Roberts/Pirelli and they cost us £300 a pair which can equate to £1000 per weekend depending on the weather.

Maybe so Gordon, but you know as well as I do, through our discussions last year, that there is a tyre manufacturer ready to supply the required letters of suitability, the required tyres which are currently undergoing testing on Class A and B bikes, a VERY decent price, trophies and prizes, and yet the MT made a decision to not even bother to talk to them last year, and I dont even understand that....its for the good of the series, they are a company that already sponsors the British MX Championships, already sponsors a BSB team, and WANTS to help DD, and yet such a decision was taken. beggars belief in my humble opinion.

But surely the BSB team run Pirellis

I may be wrong but it does sound to me like that company wants to find a way into road racing from Supermoto & Moto-x and are happy to use DD as the Guinea Pigs.
For about £400 to £600 tyre bill a year I'm more than happy to go with tried and tested Pirellis especially if it means we don't have to worry about Wets and warmers (both of which I have by the way, so the added cost to me would be minimal)

I recenlty had a search for Maxxis tyres on bikes at the TT and came up blank with the majority of riders who are literally risking their necks favouring Pirelli/Dunlop/Michelin that in itself speaks volumes to me and is probably due to the developement tha has gone into those tyres from years of road racing at the highest levels.
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Yes Kev, they do have to run Pirellis in BSB, and would like to have a gentle intro to road racing. They are suitable in wet or dry, WITHOUT warmers, and thats how the testing is being carried out, under the same conditions we have in DD. Guy Martin has tested the Superbike tyres and shed VERY favourable opinion on them, and so far, testing on a DD bike has gone very well. A second pair is being tested on a Class A bike by someone who finished very high up in Class B last year. Neither of us has anything personal to gain but I believe the series and its participants does. Should the testing be completed satisfactorily, then Maxxis will put together a proposal to supply tyres, to the RC, or to the DD riders themselves I guess.

I had a discussion with their marketing/race guy at Brands April last year gave him a my Club card with e mail, phone details etc

Never heard from him since !!!!

You and I discussed it at Mallory Gordon, and it was agreed I would approach them, which I did, then you were going to take the results of that to the RC, and you then informed me that a decision had been taken to stick with Pirelli. We will have much more detail soon, and then it can be reconsidered, based on the fact that the deal will be much better for the riders due to the reduced costs they will face, and after all, keeping costs down is the whole ethos behind the series, we are always being told........it will certainly even out the riders as many can only afford to run on other peoples cast off scrubs, but will be able to afford new tyres.

So what are the results/facts

How much cheaper will they be than the Diablos
Would we use just one type of tyre or would we also need wets
Will they offer more or less grip
Will they wear better or worse
What paddock support would there be

These are the questions I would want answers to

So do we all Kev. Firstly, tests are ongoing. when the full results are available they will be available. So far all looks promising. We are told NO WARMERS are necessary, and none have been/will be used in the tests, we are told they are suitable in wet or dry, warm quickly, and wear well too. So far, I have on one set of tyres, done more mileage than we would do in a season in practice and races, and the tyres have plenty left in them. Results on Class A bike are awaited, as are wet results. All I can say is that thus far the tests look promising, and I was VERY happy with the levels of grip available. Then its down to Maxxis to put their proposal forward to the appropriate people. Several other DD runners were present at the Mallory tests and seemed to be happy with how the tyres looked after being used......

We discussed this at Silverstone BSB meeting and yes we agreed you would make contact and in turn they would contact me as a member of the RC, as stated earlier no contact has been made by Maxxis since the discusssion I had with them last April.
I tried to do some reasearch on the M6029's re performance, testimonials etc but there does not seem to be alot available.

The likes of Dunlop,Michelin,Pirelli,Continental etc have invested millions in race and road tyre development over the years which is now incorporated in their standard range.

I have found set's of Supermaxx in the price range of £180 down to £130 retail, would any savings over the season make a great difference ?
They are still an unknown quantity.

I have just picked this discussion up, having been away for the last day or so.

There is no point in entering into a debate on the forum with regard to a decison on tyres for the 2009 or subsequent seasons.

The facts are that the RC and the MT were made aware of the situation that other suppliers were interested in supplying tyres at what appeared to be an attractive price to the Desmo Due series for the 2009 season before the end of 2008, Maxis were not the only one.

The decison on tyres for the 2009 season was made on the basis of the facts available at the time. Whilst cost is a significant factor for the riders, it is not necessarily the be all and end all of decision taking in these circumstances.

The rules for the 2009 season of Desmo Due have been issued and confirmation given as to the control tyre arrangements. There is no reason to change these arrangements at this time with the 1st race just over a week away.

Discussions have been held with Pirelli regarding the supply of H rated Rossos at a point later in the year and we expect to be able to clarify that early next week. I have however received confirmation that a more than adequate stock of the current Diablo's are available to cover all requirements for the 2009 season.

The Club has been through tyre testing routines before, in association with tyre specialists from the racing world, for the Sport 1000 Cup. That testing was done under strictly controlled criteria and conditions to ensure that riders would be provided with the best possible tyre on which to race.

Whilst I am sure a few individuals might find it an interesting exercise to go through a bit of trackday testing on tyres other than those mandated for the series, this is hardly providing the kind of information that would be required to even start making the kind of involved decision that would be required to be made.

On a final note, whilst not wishing to in anyway infer that there could be a product fault with Maxis tyres, I have contacted 3 respected road racing participants today, all of who have indicated that they would not consider it appropriate to consider racing our bikes and in particular individuals on what they described as a "budget" tyre.

As Gordon has alreaduy pointed out Maxis had the opportunity to talk to the Club, they chose not to and they are not at this time following up in anyway. There would appear to be no reason to put any more effort or time into this subject.

Whilst freedom of speech exists in this country we, as fee paying members, are free to discuss any subject we so choose Chris, unless you are suggesting otherwise. And if they are good enough for Guy Martin, I have no qualms with them. So how about you give us the benefit of your obviously vast experience of tyre testing for the series that didnt happen so we can apply it to a series that does happen? ( And no, thats no more condescending than your comment about doing some 'track day testing')
If you have already established that there is a plentiful supply of H rated Diablos for this year then what is there left to discuss?
I, and many others, despite what you think, feel a BETTER deal is available for the series participants, and whilst WE, not you, are the ones that have to fork out for the tyres and the other costs involved, I think its appropriate that SOME of us at least, look to improve the 'low cost' aspect of DD racing which you are all too happy to mention when different changes have been asked about. Development improves the breed and all that.
I am doing this in order to gain facts so that a proper proposal can be put to the RC, so this isnt a debate and if Kev and I choose to discuss something thats happening on privately owned bikes, on privately paid for tracktime, outside of the DD series then I dont for one believe that it is pertinent for you to try to silence such discussion.

WELL DON'T POST IT IN THE DD SECTION THEN, FFS

If it offends your sensibilities Paul, DONT READ IT FFS.........

Too late, I'd already wasted my time

And even more by posting pointless comments

David,

Lets be clear here, I am not saying for one moment that this is not a subject that should not or couldn't be discussed with in the DSC, its Forum, etc.

What I have pointed out is that it is not relevant to the Desmo Due series in 2009. The decision for the 2009 season with regard to tyre choice has been made, based on the facts available to the RC & MT at the point the when a decision neede to be made. The options on the table when that decision was made were not just Pirelli and Maxis.

Any decision on tyres in particular has significant safety aspects about it and ultimately the RC & MT have an obligation to provide the riders with a product that is suitable for the application to which it is to be put. At the top of that list must be the safety of the riders, so any change must be properly structured, thought through and unequivical.

As I have already stated at no time has Maxis as supllier or through an agent, had any contact with the Club on the subject of supply or suitability of their products for use with in Desmo Due. Advice was taken as to the potential of use of their tyres for the series, I am not aware of any party that has been contacted that has suggested that they would be a serious alternative to the Diablo's that we currently use. It is clear that you wish to champion their cause single handedly.

I think earlier it was pointed out that not one racer in the IOM could be found to be using these tyres, they are not used for road racing in any significant race series, that we are aware of.

You are entitled to your views and opinions, but that does not mean that the decision with regard to tyres in Desmo Due for 2009 is open for debate and change. I beleive that the rules allow for the riders to express their "concern" for a situation regarding the rules and in the event of that process being followed the RC would of course give the matter proper consideration.

Chris, let ME be absolutely clear....at NO point in ANY of my threads have I ever suggested that 2009 could/should/would be a time to implement a tyre change, and quite rightly, at this stage so close to the start of the season, the tyre choice is made, NO-ONE is quibbling about that, not for a solitary nano second. Thats cleared that up.
Secondly, I do not wish to " champion their cause" single handedly.....having discussed the potential of having a tyre supplier WILLING to supply Class A and B DD participants at a very favourable price, with tyres capable of handling all 65bhp that the BEST of our bikes produce, and that would furnish the Club with the required letters of suitability for use in all UK racing conditions WITHOUT the use of warmers, have a GOOD supply of tyres, provide prizes and cups to the podium sitters, seems to me to be a better deal than the series currently benefits from with Pirelli. I personally have NOTHING to gain from Maxxi's involvement, save any benefit that ALL DD riders would gain SHOULD these tyres be acceptable. I believe that if YOU are taking on the task of doing the BEST for the DD series, then YOU need to doo something to negotiate a better deal for those that PAY to race in DD, and if you dont wish to, then appoint someone democratically that WILL. If the tyre deal IS finalised, then there is no need for your 'discussions' with Pirelli at this stage of the game, if they have already assured you that Diablos WILL be plentiful during this season is there?
Look, all I am interested in doing is getting the paying participants of DD, those that actually pay to 'put on the show' a decent tyre deal IF WE CAN. Just what is it that you all seem to have against that? I have already learned that as a relative newcomer to DSC I am talking to a closed shop, but its time that changed....and I give DD a year in its present format if the current attitude of no communication, no listening to new ideas, rubbishing ANYONE who attempts to do something constructive because it doesnt suit you lot...you have already seen a decent number of riders walk away from it because of it, and believe me, there are many more teetering on the brink.
NONE of this was done by me off my own back....as I already have said, Gordon and I discussed this and I offered to approach Bickers ( Maxxi importers) with a view to THEM putting a proposal....they then asked me if I would just test the tyres ON a DD bike to make sure they are suited. They already have passed all the Euro and UK laws regarding quality standards, construction and use etc, so I dont have to assess that....all that would come at a later date when/if they put a proposal to you lot.......what exactly is it you all have against new ideas?

TBH those running mid to back of pack in DD wouldn't trouble the grip of knobbly tyres so it's irrelevant if someone nowhere near lap record pace likes a particular tyre.
Look all thro all levels of racing and maxxis are not used anywhere on tarmac, that alone is enough reason not to use them.
Tyres are a confidence thing and plenty like the diablo's,Why change something that isn't broken ?

Personally I hated them as I am used to lots more grip, I know if I wanted to race DD I'd have to use them which is why I don't race DD, others are happy as it is but if you don't like it how it is then surely you race elsewhere ?

Then have a race with only three entrants and see how well that goes down.

I am gonna kind stand up for both points being made here.

There is nothing wrong with the Diablos for what we need them to do. However it does look like they 'may' become harder to source and more expensive. They are hopfully being replaced by the Rosso at some point and providing it is in the right rating and size and a suitable price then there is no reason not to continue with them.

However that does not preclude the RC or others - in discussion with the RC -investigating alternatives and putting these forward for consideration for future years. Whether thay are accepted should be down to a number of key features that will be agreed when the time arrives.

The point is that the time to start considering this is now so we don't get caught out next year if things change and we are not in a position to source an alternative at short notice.

As to whether Maxxis are right or wrong.. I don't know tbh! but lets not just dismiss things based on emotion and personalities.

an analogy...
Lamborghini used to make tractors and if you had asked anyone at the time you would have probably been dismissed if you suggested the make a sports car but when they did start they were quite good at it ;)

Thankyou Lily, eloquently put. No use waiting till NEXT season is upon us and neither Rosso nor Diablo are available. Thats all I'm trying to do...have a credible alternative READY in case...I dont care if its Maxxis, Dunlop or whoever, as long as its a decent tyre and we get a decent price. I just cant see why there has to be this ****ging off of any effort to be READY.

oi.. stop being a little trouble maker :D

ps.. i have a genuine excuse for why I was getting slower at the end of the season now (in addition to my **** riding that is ;) )

edit---that was directed at Mr Payne :p