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skidlids 25-Jun-2011 13:39

Pretty sure the R6 cup guys at one time were running Diablo Corsa 3's only
Originally the CB500s only used Bridgestone road tyres back when my mates Chris Sherring, Chris Hook and Simon Vanderolank were in it and that other bloke Toseland

Simps 25-Jun-2011 20:18

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Originally Posted by skidlids
No different to when I was racing F600, SoT and Powerbike, only series I never had a wet bike for are 1300 Streetstocks as we raced with 130bhp on Road Tyres (see attached regs) and Desmo Due with its lower power output


I guess its all in the title with that series. The notes you attached say that the bikes needed to have a current MOT and I think wets aren't road legal.;)

Simps 25-Jun-2011 20:19

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Originally Posted by skidlids
and that other bloke Toseland


No wonder he never got to grips with MotoGP! Now if that M1 had road tyres I think his GP career would have been completely different.

Jolley 30-Jun-2011 17:00

Wets - No
Fun -Yes

You are all big girls who need to learn how to ride! ;)

On a serious note, I have mentioned before that wets will increase the speed if you do have an accident. Tough call. Wets or not, you can only go as fast as you feel safe, and I am glad the road tyres slow us down... I'd hate to have to go quickly in the wet.

We would have used them for Sunday at Cadwell last year, and we would have used them for half a race at Snett.... I am not sure any less people would have crashed. It is a lot of extra bulk for me to try to find in an overloaded car.

About the lack of tread at the tyre edge... I heard in a press release for another tyre that in the wet you do not lean as far, so they stop the tread at the limit of where any sane person would lean in the wet... This allows a slicker/frillier edge for the dry.

bradders 30-Jun-2011 17:16

I have a new tactic for the wet, so lets see how that goes next time out ;)

ChrisBushell 30-Jun-2011 17:37

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Originally Posted by bradders
I have a new tactic for the wet, so lets see how that goes next time out ;)


I dont think I want to hear about that cunning plan Baldrick!

ells 01-Jul-2011 09:05

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Originally Posted by Jolley
About the lack of tread at the tyre edge... I heard in a press release for another tyre that in the wet you do not lean as far, so they stop the tread at the limit of where any sane person would lean in the wet... This allows a slicker/frillier edge for the dry.



Sitting at the restart at Snetterton watching hail bounce upwards off the track I never ever considered I would be classified as sane.

For a simple straightforward series like ours maybe of it gets really bad on road tyres then someone makes the decision that the race is over rather than carry on or is that out of our hands?

Mark

bradders 01-Jul-2011 09:49

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Originally Posted by ells
Sitting at the restart at Snetterton watching hail bounce upwards off the track I never ever considered I would be classified as sane.

For a simple straightforward series like ours maybe of it gets really bad on road tyres then someone makes the decision that the race is over rather than carry on or is that out of our hands?

Mark


bang on right. Nerw Era did a coupel of times, seems Hottrax were less inclined too...should have been stopped after part 1 really,; race result or not!

antonye 01-Jul-2011 12:30

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Originally Posted by bradders
bang on right. Nerw Era did a coupel of times, seems Hottrax were less inclined too...


Having not raced with Hottrax I cannot comment, but I can certainly remember a couple of very wet races with New Era being red flagged - one at Brands and one at Donington.

numbskull 01-Jul-2011 13:30

I know most people don't like racing in the wet (especially me!!), and having road tyres only makes that seem worse, but we are all out there on the same tyres.

The way I see it, racing is about going as fast as you can whilst staying on the bike!

As Ron says, having wets would only make people think they can go faster and this would lead to any crashes being at a higher speed and costing more to repair and more hospital visits.

If the A class want wets, and the extra cost and hasstle that goes with them, then that is fine by me. When they get their own grid!!!

ells 01-Jul-2011 13:50

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Originally Posted by numbskull
I know most people don't like racing in the wet


I was actually enjoying it ! If I had finished the first race that would have been my best result. As for the first bend of race 2 I came out of that with more than a handfull of people behind me. Nobody lapped me!

Dont think we will get a solution thats going to work for everyone!

Mark

Sorted 01-Jul-2011 21:17

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Originally Posted by bradders
bang on right. Nerw Era did a coupel of times, seems Hottrax were less inclined too...should have been stopped after part 1 really,; race result or not!



Wish it had been cuz I was leading!!

paynep 01-Jul-2011 22:10

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Originally Posted by numbskull

If the A class want wets, and the extra cost and hasstle that goes with them, then that is fine by me. When they get their own grid!!!


Move up to Class A then, carby pussies!! :lol:

bradders 01-Jul-2011 23:39

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Originally Posted by paynep
Move up to Class A then, carby pussies!! :lol:


maybe next year ;)

PDL 18-Jul-2011 09:38

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Originally Posted by speedtherapy
...Ideally they can only be used once...


Not sure were you read that but I set my fastest wet time on Sunday on a wet rear that:

a/ Got punctured on Sat in race 2, and I repaired with a mushroom
b/ Was a scrub from TST at the start of the season
c/ Has seen 5 wet races this season
d/ And was mullered after a dry race late on Saturday but I smoothed it off in Sundays morning practice.

Maybe on a 150bhp bike wets should only be used once or twice but on a 48bhp bike they are awesome, I had my knee down and set some good lap times and the braking is awesome on well used wets.

bradders 18-Jul-2011 11:36

I'd love to try them, see just how different they are. In the dampo the current tyres seem to work well (for me) but in standing water not so - but then you cant have everything!

But this weekend would have had me so confused...wet...dry...wet I doubt I would have got out there! :lol:

skidlids 18-Jul-2011 13:47

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Originally Posted by bradders

But this weekend would have had me so confused...wet...dry...wet I doubt I would have got out there! :lol:


Whats your name ? Craig !!! :devil:

Bionicle 18-Jul-2011 13:59

Just got back from Cadwell as Mark from holbeach tyres was there and i needed new rubber to scrub in on saturday, its spitting on and off there and people are running backwards and forwards to him saying can you take the tyres off and put wets on then 20 mins later are back again asking for the wets to be taken off again i think they are all confused.com :)

Saturday practice at Pembrey in the damp to wet i felt i had plenty of grip and could have gone quicker if i had known the track, so regardless of if it had rained or not i would have stuck with the dunlops.

ChrisBushell 18-Jul-2011 14:16

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Originally Posted by Bionicle
Just got back from Cadwell as Mark from holbeach tyres was there and i needed new rubber to scrub in on saturday, its spitting on and off there and people are running backwards and forwards to him saying can you take the tyres off and put wets on then 20 mins later are back again asking for the wets to be taken off again i think they are all confused.com :)

Saturday practice at Pembrey in the damp to wet i felt i had plenty of grip and could have gone quicker if i had known the track, so regardless of if it had rained or not i would have stuck with the dunlops.


Says it all really!

Lily 18-Jul-2011 15:25

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Originally Posted by ChrisBushell
Says it all really!


i don' think it says anything?

you have 2 sets of wheels. one with wets on one with dry tyres.

if its dry you put dry wheels in, if its wet you put wet wheels in.

if it's damp you make a choice and then you ride accordingly - just like now when you have to ride accordingly on dry tyres irrespective of track condition. if you get it wrong you don't go as fast and you dont do as well. Simples

PDL 18-Jul-2011 15:49

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Originally Posted by Lily
i don' think it says anything?

you have 2 sets of wheels. one with wets on one with dry tyres.

if its dry you put dry wheels in, if its wet you put wet wheels in.

if it's damp you make a choice and then you ride accordingly - just like now when you have to ride accordingly on dry tyres irrespective of track condition. if you get it wrong you don't go as fast and you dont do as well. Simples


Well put!!!

I chose the wrong tyres on Sat afternoon and was 3 seconds off my dry pace. But wets aren't dangerous in the dry and contary to common belief you won't knacker a set over 7 laps in the dry. They just go a bit like jelly and become slightly vague. If it was dangerous the ACU wouldn't let you race in the dry using wets and it isn't dangerous using dry tyres in the wet as DD has prooved. But you will actually have better races if riders can use wet tyres in the rain, because I tell you what I have just raced in Monsoon conditions with standing water and the wets certainly weaved their magic.

Chaz 18-Jul-2011 15:53

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Originally Posted by ChrisBushell
I cant for a minute remember over the seasons how many races we have actually had where wets would have been a serious option!


That's because you've only been to about Three:lol: :lol: :lol:

Cranker V2 18-Jul-2011 15:54

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Originally Posted by Lily
i don' think it says anything?

you have 2 sets of wheels. one with wets on one with dry tyres.

if its dry you put dry wheels in, if its wet you put wet wheels in.

if it's damp you make a choice and then you ride accordingly - just like now when you have to ride accordingly on dry tyres irrespective of track condition. if you get it wrong you don't go as fast and you dont do as well. Simples


Spot on Lily:)

numbskull 18-Jul-2011 18:46

Personally speaking, and this is only my opinion and carries no weight, i can't be bothered with the effort of having to have 2 sets of wheels and muck around changing them just because it starts to rain.

I have only just started to change rear sprockets at race meetings!

I don't care about the cost as it's very little on top of a whole race season.

dunlop0_1 18-Jul-2011 20:04

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Originally Posted by numbskull
Personally speaking, and this is only my opinion and carries no weight, i can't be bothered with the effort of having to have 2 sets of wheels and muck around changing them just because it starts to rain.

I have only just started to change rear sprockets at race meetings!

I don't care about the cost as it's very little on top of a whole race season.


Neal you are such a Southerener. LOL

paynep 18-Jul-2011 22:46

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Originally Posted by Chaz
That's because you've only been to about Three:lol: :lol: :lol:


PMSL :lol:

We miss you Chaz


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