You don't get it do you.

Nobody has passed me in a corner.

I am not slow through a corner.

I am not losing 3 seconds a lap through being rubbish in corners.

My suspension set-up is brilliant, and I am not a bad rider.

If you put CK's Tango Queen engine in my bike, I'm confident I'd be as fast as Andy is with that engine.

When we both had 51-53bhp...

Cadwell Woodlands - Dom 50.88 Andy 50.20
Snetterton - Dom 1.23.9 Andy 1.26.43
Donington (Rain) - Dom 1.47.79 Andy 1:44.39

When Andy got Tango'd (66bhp?)...

Brands - Dom 58.56, Andy 56.21

So Andy whooped me in the rain, and I had a better meeting at Snett (but Mrs Snot was smoking - power loss?) and finally Andy on the Tango bike flew at Brands.

Right also just went through timing sheets (Except the 1 wet round!!)

Out of the 'Up to 53bhp' bikes - my 620 included, for that is the power it makes (40bhp at CC), here is how bad I am...

Cadwell Woodlands - I was 2nd fastest 675/583 and the only other 675/583 rider to get under 51secs all weekend was Andy Johnson. Not sure if anyone remembers either, but I only managed 9 laps of one race from 30th - 11th place.

Castle Combe - With a massive 40bhp (620 on carbs) I didn't do well on lap times here, but was still 6th fastest 675/583 - with 40bhp remember, just incase you forgot - oh and a freshly BROKEN ARM.

Snetterton - How about quickest 675/583 then? Must have been that Corsa front tyre. 0.7 of a second quicker than Ali (who I battled with) & Paul Payne (who did his quickest lap trying to chase me at the end).

Brands Hatch - I'm crap again, 3rd fastest lap at Brands for me behind Andy Roberts!!!!! and Phil.

So as you can see, my corner speed is rubbish and I need better suspension and not more power (like those pesky 66bhp monsters) coz that's the only way to go faster.

Incidently, I'm not stupid enough to think that I'm cornering faster than everyone else. I'm sure I have lots to improve, but not 3 seconds a lap worth!!!

Hope that clears things up - and I've had a rubbish season!

:D

I definitely don't get it, must be too silly :lol:

Bloody French!!!!!!

As there are varying abilities in DD, you can't say that Geoff having 60bhp is the reason he beats Lin on her 583 with 50bhp.

Obviously it's because Geoff is a faster rider.

BUT, what you are saying Tonio, is that Geoff would lap as fast with 50bhp or 60bhp or 70bhp.

I guarantee you that is RUBBISH!!!

He would go fastest with 70bhp, followed by 60bhp and slowest on 50bhp.

Is it really that complicated?

2 riders of equal ability, on bikes with 60bhp and 50bhp - the guy with 60bhp wins everytime - all other things being equal.

I've never said you were not a good racer, my opinion is just that the power quest is not the good one. But I must be wrong, because I'm a novice, and I should say a slow novice.

Now I just hope Ali will manage to get a proper 620 (more than 60 bhp) for the last round at Cadwell. Everybody knows he's a fast racer, and I think he already got a 3rd position. Let's see how things will change for him.

Ok Dom what times were you doing on your 748 at castle combe compared to the dd times . Just as a guage to see what can be done with 100+ bhp.

Of course that's right, but in the real life you'll never have the 2 riders of same ability. One has to be slower than the other one, and that is very difficult to admit :lol:

I did 12 dry laps all weekend, and my fastest was a 1:21.33 on lap 4 of practice just as it started to rain - that's 4 seconds quicker than you went on your 4th lap of practice.

The whole weekend was damp, and the first race was wet.

In the races I got held up in the corners because my corner speed is obviously so bad, and then lost out down the straights because 40bhp makes no difference.

You know what, maybe it's just me.

:eureka:

[Edited on 17-9-2005 by domski]

Im just winding you up .Dont take it so seriously its only for fun not WSB.

Yeah, but I was still 4 seconds faster than you :P

:D

Whats all this "up to 53bhp" including a 620 and putting 675cc and 583cc bikes together, there are big differences, 620s rev harder and can extract more speed from there gearing, 675's make more low down power than a 583 and can pull slightly higer gearing allowing them to extract more speed.
And if anybody thinks that suspension tweeks can make up for a 10bhp disadvantage at Snetterton they must be on something.

Oh come on Kev. Everyone knows that it's down to rider ability and not power, and what's a measly 10bhp between friends?

I think they must have redesigned Snett too, coz it wasn't 80% turns when I was there.

As for the "Up to 53bhp" thing, my 620 is virtually indentical to Phil's 675 on accelleration and top speed, and his makes 51.5bhp and mine makes 53bhp. Mine hits a limiter at 9,300 and his doesn't.

More power low down???? Low down where?

Mine makes nothing below 7,000 - nothing worth using anyway.

I've only just caught up on this thread ... sheesh!

I need some more popcorn!

Lord R,

Sorry for the tardy reply but I have been sunning myself in a handy tax haven. Enough of my feeble excuses I shall have a member of staff read me the rules again immediately. I will be in touch directly via PM with some money no object suggestions how to legally improve the performance of your competitive motorcycling device.
I trust you have ruled out the idea of having Mr Toseland hiding in your hospitality marque and then impersonating you in the races?

Ray

PS more power is good, too much is better!

[Edited on 19-9-2005 by Ray]